Kyron's parents' statements, interviews

[Billylee]

If there was no murder for hire plan...then I may have to come down from my fence, because that is the main reason (guilt from that) that I could see why she has let this all go on for so long, losing so much. If it was no more than a remark made in passing to the landscaper when she was mad at Kaine one day, then she should be fighting the RO. So to me, either she felt unable to defend herself against the landscaper's words, or she has much to hide concerning Kyron.

I wish LE would clear up the MFH business once and for all so I can decide
I know they don't mean to leave me in limbo like this

I believe she did feel unable to defend herself and that's why she hired an attorney. If she knew she had said something to the landscaper that could be "construed as a MFHP" then wouldn't she be wise to just get an attorney and go from there? If she challenged the RO, then SHE would have to PROVE that she didn't really mean it. How could she do that?


As it stands, that ball is now in LE's hands to prove that SHE did mean it and apparently they cannot, or she'd be in jail. And her attorney, wisely advised her to shut up. JMO of one of the reasons she may not have challenged the RO.

 

[surrogatemom]

I respectfully disagree. Desiree's premise is that Terri took Kyron. If Terri took Kyron it had to be planned. If it was planned, Terri was taking Kaine and DESIREE's child away. Terri could give a heck about how it's affecting Desiree if she took Kyron.

Now, maybe Desiree should make a plea, crying in tears, to anyone who took Kyron to please please bring him home and NOT address it to Terri or anyone who knows Terri nd maybe the man/men who took Kyron would have a heart and just drop him off somewhere, alive.

My post was merely an opinion and a guess. I gave two totally different possibilties - either Terri feels a connection with Desiree ("Oh, we both lost our son!" - which is crap, but she could think that way!) or she sees Desiree as the number one person that she hates (aka the person that could get to her, through her words, as Desiree was maybe doing).

You've made it known that you think Terri is not guilty. I respect your opinion, even though I disagree with it. Desiree has made it obvious that she thinks Terri is directly involved. Whether or not she is right, she is acting on what she knows and what she feels, and I respect that. I was simply stating that if Terri is involved, Desiree saying what she did was a good idea (vs. it coming from Kaine).

 

[Emeralgem]

I respectfully disagree. Desiree's premise is that Terri took Kyron. If Terri took Kyron it had to be planned. If it was planned, Terri was taking Kaine and DESIREE's child away. Terri could give a heck about how it's affecting Desiree if she took Kyron.

Now, maybe Desiree should make a plea, crying in tears, to anyone who took Kyron to please please bring him home and NOT address it to Terri or anyone who knows Terri nd maybe the man/men who took Kyron would have a heart and just drop him off somewhere, alive.

And IMHO..Thats truly sad.. but does explain WHY DY referred to her as having ice water in her veins...
Also, I'm curious as to WHY you say DY should be pleading to the man/men who took Kyron and not address any of her pleas to Terri or any of her friends...

Personally, I don't how one even begins to deal with someone like TMH..I don't think Terri is capable of feeling any empathy toward anyone and believe any pleas to her would only serve to boost her narcissistic run amok ego....JMHO

 

[Billylee]

Okay, so, I am angry with someone for some reason, who cares, meaningless or not.

I am talking with a somewhat stranger, but have seen this person before. I say, "I am so upset I could just kill him!" or "I am so upset I could just choke him!" I may even use hand gestures.

I am crying and the stranger/yet not so stranger, is listening. I am still crying, not a breath between statements and I add, "I would give you a million dollars to kill him!" I continue to cry. Stranger just nods and moves on.

Is that a murder for hire plot? Or just me speaking my emotional mind at the time?

I asked this same exact question in the legal thread a couple of a week or two ago. LE would have to prove "intent". I'll see if I can find it.

 

[stmarysmead]

Who said she took anything out on Kyron? Maybe she's just hidden him with someone who loves him.

Would "someone who loves him" participate in keeping him hidden during a massive, expensive missing persons case? Would "someone who loves him" put Desiree through a living hell?

Is this how "someone who loves" a child behaves? Maybe "someone who loves" Haliegh Cummings has her too.

What justification could there be for something like this...that Terri could tell us now...and everyone including LE would say..."Oh, that's fine. You are wonderful, Terri!"

I need help thinking how this could be spun to be favorable to Terri and a good thing for Kyron.

 

[BeanE]

Just some random thoughts.

It's clear from whatever they have been told that Desiree and Kaine have no doubt Teri is involved in this.

It is also clear that they love Kyron. I simply cannot believe there is anything more important to them than finding that boy.

Hi stmarysmead

It's not clear to me that their belief is based on anything LE has told them. It's clear to me that Desiree's belief is based on her feelings and what she calls her "motherly instinct". She has taken pains to state clearly that there is no evidence, and her suspicions and feelings are not based on anything LE has told her. Because it became so important to her ("and I need to clarify that" audio interview) to make sure that people understand that she has no information from LE, I feel compelled to respond to her reaching out that way, and take her word for it.

Although it did not seem as important to Kaine, he also stated, more than once, that specific information did not come from LE, such as his claims that Terri failed the first poly, and his claim that she said LE told her a cell ping didn't match where she said she was.

I believe LE shared some info regarding the alleged MFH plot with Kaine and with his attorney. I think LE may have share some small amount of info with him regarding Kyron's disappearance, but I would be shocked if it was much, or if it was anything of great import.

My understanding is that LE doesn't share much of anything with the families of missing persons.

I agree that it is indeed very clear they both love Kyron, and desperately want him back.

 

[angelmom]

Surely they do. To say it didn't go beyond talk, doesn't mean that the talk was not serious. I say this because wasn't the restraining order based largely on the MFH plot? And Terri has chosen to not challenge the restraining order.

The fact that she didn't challenge the restraining order is to me very significant. What possible reason could she have to give up seeing her baby girl for a year if challenging the RO would not be very risky....or perhaps impossible?

The RO might have just been a tool to get Terri under oath. Kaine and LE might have believed that the RO wouldn't hold up (b/c there was nothing to it but talk) BUT it would get Terri on a witness stand, sworn in, and a lawyer could ask her questions. Obviously if she harmed Kyron in any way or took him, that goes to her fitness as a parent and her ability to properly care for Baby K. Then, if she swore she had no info, she couldn't come back later and say it was an accident b/c she's on the record saying she didn't do it.

I'll bet Kaine and LE thought she wouldn't be able to stand being away from Baby K, that she would challenge the RO and they'd get what they wanted. But they didn't count on a good lawyer convincing her that it wouldn't do any good anyway - she'd have to testify AND no judge would give her custody. No one counted on the fact that she would listen to her lawyer (after the likes of Scott Peterson, the Anthonys, and the Cummings/Croslin crew, who would have guessed any principal in a missing child case could shut up for a minute, much less 12 weeks!).

I'm still on the fence, because if she's innocent then nothing DY says can help. It is only making her more angry and devastated that Kaine would believe such a thing. If she's guilty, she has no reason to talk. Not going to jail? Who are they kidding? There is no avoiding jail on this case. It will either never be solved, or someone will be going away for a long long time.

 

[cypress]

Also, IMHO, LE told Desiree and Kaine they had to provide a disclaimer. DY and KH repeatedly said they were being briefed by LE and then proceeded to publicly say Terri was guilty. It puts LE in a tough spot, IMHO, to the point of LE being culpable in the dissemination of misinformation. IMHO, LE told DY and KH if they made public statements, they had to provide a disclaimer.

 

[nursebeeme]

I pray for the parents. I pray that Terri hears their words.

 

[eyes4crime]

My heart goes out to Desiree and Kaine - can't imagine the everyday pain they are both in. We all want justice for Kyron

In the short press conference, Desiree ends with a warning to Terri: You will go to jail and whoever has been helping you will go to jail.

Q: Who threatens punishment when trying to get someone to talk? I know I have my ideas. moo

 

[stmarysmead]

Okay, so, let us say, I am angry with someone for some reason, who cares, meaningless or not.

I am talking with a somewhat stranger, but have seen this person before. I say, "I am so upset I could just kill him!" or "I am so upset I could just choke him!" I may even use hand gestures.

I am crying and the stranger/yet not so stranger, is listening. I am still crying, not a breath between statements and I add, "I would give you a million dollars to kill him!" I continue to cry. Stranger just nods and moves on.

Is that a murder for hire plot? Or just me speaking my emotional mind at the time?

To me...that's no murder for hire plot. As you say, you're speaking your emotional mind.

But if this conversation should be repeated over and over (hundreds of times like the sexting with Kaine's friend) and if there is some kind of inducement...money, sex, both?...then, it changes for me.

If the conversation goes on and on and on...with how it could be done, where, why...if there is repeated attempts to convince the Landscaper to participate...then Terri has big trouble on her hands.

 

[Billylee]

Okay, so, let us say, I am angry with someone for some reason, who cares, meaningless or not.

I am talking with a somewhat stranger, but have seen this person before. I say, "I am so upset I could just kill him!" or "I am so upset I could just choke him!" I may even use hand gestures.

I am crying and the stranger/yet not so stranger, is listening. I am still crying, not a breath between statements and I add, "I would give you a million dollars to kill him!" I continue to cry. Stranger just nods and moves on.

Is that a murder for hire plot? Or just me speaking my emotional mind at the time?

Here ya go the question and answer from AZlawyer

Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
I am puzzled as to why TH has not been arrested for the MFHP. I'm guessing they don't have any evidence other than the landscaper's testimony and perhaps he/she is not considered a very credible witness.

However, I have a question. If someone gets really ticked at their spouse and you know, says something to the effect of "I wish he/she were dead. I'd give you a million bucks to blow his/her head off". You know that sort of "heated" statement. Would that be considered a MFHP? Even though it may never have been intended as something the person really wanted anyone to do? Or does there have to be more than a conversation involved? Hope I'm making myself clear on this one. Thanks.


If the only evidence on the MFH plot is the landscaper's testimony, IMO TH will not be arrested for that.

Intent is a slippery thing. There's no "bright line" where you cross over from joking to serious intent, but no prosecutor is going to mess with it if there's any real possibility that it was a joke.

 

[Aedrys]

I'll betcha Kaine knows what Terri is mad about.
and...
I'll betcha Desiree knows that Kaine knows what Terri is mad about.
and...
THAT, my friends, was the elephant in that interview room.

IMO, with a :cow: :cow: here and a :cow: :cow: there.

Thank you, Emma. Now I have the Old MacDonald song stuck in my head.

And I wondering if you're pondering what I'm pondering, lol. I bet they both know what she's mad about. Terri's not exactly shy about being mad.

 

[cluciano63]

It seems pretty clear that there aren't any adults in Kyron's life who have been "missing" since June 4th, so I don't see how he is OK someplace with someone who loves him. LE finding the landscaper tells me they have the ability to find anyone Terri was in touch with prior to June 4th. She was not careful about hiding contact with him, so she probably would not be careful about anyone else. It is only after June 4th that she felt the need for private phones.

I don't see how he can be with anyone, holed up someplace, per Terri. LE would have had to put out an ABP or something, if they knew of an adult who went missing at the same time as Kyron, if only to help people recognize Kyron. Surely with the FBI, they have figured out all of Terri's contacts, like the landscaper, by now.

Sorry, rambling a bit...

 

[stmarysmead]

Hi stmarysmead

It's not clear to me that their belief is based on anything LE has told them. It's clear to me that Desiree's belief is based on her feelings and what she calls her "motherly instinct". She has taken pains to state clearly that there is no evidence, and her suspicions and feelings are not based on anything LE has told her. Because it became so important to her ("and I need to clarify that" audio interview) to make sure that people understand that she has no information from LE, I feel compelled to respond to her reaching out that way, and take her word for it.

Although it did not seem as important to Kaine, he also stated, more than once, that specific information did not come from LE, such as his claims that Terri failed the first poly, and his claim that she said LE told her a cell ping didn't match where she said she was.

I believe LE shared some info regarding the alleged MFH plot with Kaine and with his attorney. I think LE may have share some small amount of info with him regarding Kyron's disappearance, but I would be shocked if it was much, or if it was anything of great import.

My understanding is that LE doesn't share much of anything with the families of missing persons.

I agree that it is indeed very clear they both love Kyron, and desperately want him back.

Hi BeanE.

Well, thanks, but I see it differently...but appreciate your views, BeanE. I also would not be shocked to learn that this investigator or that...shared some extra information with Desiree's husband, a "Brother in Blue." That sort of thing does happen. Of course, one does not give away one's "sources" either.

They love that child too much to just be concentrating on Terri on a hunch or instinct. There's meat on those bones.

Just my opinion, of course, which is the fun of being here. But glad to read yours.

 

[Etilema]

Does the RO allege that she is involved in the disappearance of Kyron? I must go find it. Oh, wait, it's a secret isn't it? Where is Michael Cook when I need him? Seriously, is that information out there, I hadn't seen it?

Yes, it does ALLEGE that she is involved, because it says that KH believes she is. (Point 3 of the petition - http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/e/1/2/e12f2287-ce0b-48e0-8d85-e3955216ae1b/FULLORDER.pdf)

 

[Billylee]

Would "someone who loves him" participate in keeping him hidden during a massive, expensive missing persons case? Would "someone who loves him" put Desiree through a living hell?

Is this how "someone who loves" a child behaves? Maybe "someone who loves" Haliegh Cummings has her too.

What justification could there be for something like this...that Terri could tell us now...and everyone including LE would say..."Oh, that's fine. You are wonderful, Terri!"

I need help thinking how this could be spun to be favorable to Terri and a good thing for Kyron.

You'd have to ask Terri. I have no idea. I'm just saying she could have hidden him with "someone" who loves him. She could have a reason for removing him from KH, DY or for that matter TY. That is, If she even did hide Kyron. And I'm just saying we have absolutely no evidence that she "took anything out" on Kyron as you had mentioned in your post.

 

[Adrienne37]

Who said she took anything out on Kyron? Maybe she's just hidden him with someone who loves him.

Someone that loves him more than his OWN MOTHER AND FATHER??? How can she justify kidnapping Kyron and leaving her own daughter in the care of the man who she has tried to kill and then stole his son from (and I'm assuming you are meaning Kaine is the person she is hiding Kyron from)? I'm sorry but that just doesn't fly with me. JMO. Not directing this at you personally but I find that whole scenario ridiculous beyond belief to think that she would kidnap Kyron, take him from his home, his family, his school, his friends, yet turn around and leave her little girl in the same situation that she just kidnapped Kyron from. JMO.

 

[stmarysmead]

You'd have to ask Terri. I have no idea. I'm just saying she could have hidden him with "someone" who loves him. She could have a reason for removing him from KH, DY or for that matter TY. That is, If she even did hide Kyron. And I'm just saying we have absolutely no evidence that she "took anything out" on Kyron as you had mentioned in your post.

Yes, I understand.

We are both speculating...you that Terri might have hidden Kyron with "someone who loves him" and me...that if she did hide Kyron (with ANYBODY) due to anything that made her angry with Kaine (the original supposition) ...IMO that would be "taking" her fury out on a little boy instead of her husband.

Nothing Kaine might have done to Terri could justify removing Kyron from his family, friends, his life.

My opinion only.

 

[BeanE]

Who said she took anything out on Kyron? Maybe she's just hidden him with someone who loves him.

No one - and I mean no one - who keeps a child from his parents who love him, his life, his friends, his school, and all he is familiar with, and all that he needs, loves him.