GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #6

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  • #321
I didn't have time yesterday to stop in to say this. But yesterday made 4 months since Jaren was found.

R.I.P Sweet lady

Jaren Lockhart

6/7/12

We will never forget you even though some of us may not have known you.

JUSTICE IS COMING!!!
 
  • #322
Just a few thoughts after reading some recent posts:

1. MAS claims she does not remember leaving Temptations but intoxicated or not she remembered where she parked her car.

2. MAS remembered she needed to report to work but was too sick to stay. Curious to know if that excuse was food poison.

3. Insanity plea IMO means admitting guilt and does not mean no jail time. It means being locked up in a psychiatric ward and maybe a lesser sentence. But that would be after a battery of evaluations that would prove or disprove her claim of insanity. Jurors are usually skeptical of this plea.

4. MAS's long term memory is still intact as she recently posted about fun times when she was a senior in high school.

5. Maybe her memory loss is a defense mechanism. Maybe her inability to recall certain aspects she participated in is a case of dissociative amnesia. Geez! Even PB recalled every detail.............

6. Maybe MAS met a speech therapist during her stint as a CNA that could help her recall and strengthening her short term memory.


The only thing that will produce symptoms of food poison is from all the "CROW" MAS will be eating when the TRUTH is revealed.

BBM-Take the following with a grain of salt as I'm not familiar with Louisiana law, but taking a quick look, there are 2 different things that can be discussed in this context.

One is whether or not she is competent to stand trial. Even if she is found incompetent to stand trial, I believe she can be ordered to undergo treatment/therapy and re-evaluated at a later time to determine if she is then competent to stand trial. Basically, the question is whether or not she understands the nature and seriousness of the charges against her, if she can meaningfully participate in preparing her defense and assist her legal counsel. The instances I found indicated amnesia alone would not suffice to find her incompetent.

The second thing is an insanity defense. At the risk of oversimplifying it, the question is whether or not she was able to differentiate right from wrong when she acted. Under this scenario, the defendant is tried and the State meets their burden of proof establishing the fact MAS committed murder but the insanity defense excepts her from the legal responsibility for that murder due to her insanity. That is different than an admission of guilt because if found not guilty by reason of legal insanity, MAS would be institutionalized and would be entitled to regular evaluations (I believe yearly) to determine if she poses a continued danger to the public or herself (note: it's not a determination if she is still legally insane, only as to dangerousness). If it is found she no longer poses a threat to others or herself, she is released. Again, what I read indicated that most Court's do not find that amnesia alone is sufficient for an insanity defense.

Just my thoughts on some reading online. If there is a Louisiana lawyer out there, may they can give their thoughts.
 
  • #323
IIRC- It has been reported on several occasions that MAS was/is bipolar and had been on medication as recently as earlier this year when she went for treatment at the same location as the woman whose house she and TS stayed at when they dyed their hair. If she is on medication for a bipolar disorder, then her memory loss might not be as unbelievable as we are suspecting. A quick Google search pointed out that Lithium treatment does have memory loss side effects. Mix in any stimulants and/or depressants, and the effects are magnified. Also, I read a couple of reports that said when a patient is in a manic or psychotic state, as when meds are not taken properly, memory loss can occur and can be a total loss if extreme.

I'm starting to wonder again, if drugs and alcohol use (whether at a private party with Jaren, MAS, and TS, as was implied by other dancers, or at a much larger gathering) resulted in Jaren possibly overdosing and MAS and TS panicking because now they were in possession of a dead body that they could not take back to NOLA. Knowing that the recent questionable death of Hillary Moulder could somehow be tied to them, or that their drug connections could put them at risk of an even greater threat from their suppliers, the two decided they would cover for each other to any extent- whether they remembered exactly what happened or not. If Jaren did OD, would a stab wound to the chest have made the rest of the horrible crime any easier to commit, by making sure she was definitely not still alive and possibly lessening blood loss during the dismembering??

I just realized I'm typing in the middle of a quote and have messed up this long post. Sorry!


Thank you very much! This is a very informative and an interesting post.

This quote below is bothering me about MAS's mental state. I wonder if she is truly bipolar or does her strange behavior have something to do with illegal drugs, etc?

"In another development Monday, Margaret Sanchez's public defender told FOX 8 that the woman was taken to the Rosenblum Mental Health Center in Hammond for a short time. But a spokesperson for the Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office insists that Sanchez has not been moved from the jail."

Source:
http://www.fox8live.com/story/18819260/lockhart-murder-suspect-to-mental-health-center?clienttype=printable

Did she actually go or was her public defender preparing for an insanity plea for her? If she was that mentally ill, then she would have been at the Mental Health Center much longer. Would that be fair to say?
 
  • #324
First, I think we're on the same page. Before I try to explain what I'm saying, let me first say I don't buy a single thing MAS says.

Having said that, all I was saying is MAS really was doing herself no good by denying knowledge of the sex offender status. If she didn't know about that, then why didn't she go to LE? So by making that claim, she's eliminating a reason other than the murder for why she didn't go to LE. I don't know if that makes any sense. Like I said, I don't buy her stories. I just don't think she's as smart as she thinks she is and was showing how even her lies can be turned back and used against her even if you don't have proof of the lie itself.

Regarding the dropping of those charges, that's actually a difficult case to prove. You have to prove knowledge and that's tough. Admitting to knowledge of a history or warrants aren't enough. I have little doubt myself she knew damn well but proving it is another story.


We are definitely on the page. We all want justice for Jaren! I was actually "quoting" what LE said for their arguement - that she knew that TS was RSO. She called TS several names during that traffic stop. You are correct, she knew that she can play the lack of knowledge card. I'm sure that her and TS talked about this a while back. Don't ever be fooled, MAS is very smart and she knows how to play the role of the victim. She has a "team" of gullible people, who actually believe that she is innocent in the murder of Jaren Lockhart. Hopefully justice will come soon....

Source:
http://theadvocate.com/home/3429409-125/ruling-to-keep-woman-in
 
  • #325
Just a few thoughts after reading some recent posts:

1. MAS claims she does not remember leaving Temptations but intoxicated or not she remembered where she parked her car.

2. MAS remembered she needed to report to work but was too sick to stay. Curious to know if that excuse was food poison.

3. Insanity plea IMO means admitting guilt and does not mean no jail time. It means being locked up in a psychiatric ward and maybe a lesser sentence. But that would be after a battery of evaluations that would prove or disprove her claim of insanity. Jurors are usually skeptical of this plea.

4. MAS's long term memory is still intact as she recently posted about fun times when she was a senior in high school.

5. Maybe her memory loss is a defense mechanism. Maybe her inability to recall certain aspects she participated in is a case of dissociative amnesia. Geez! Even PB recalled every detail.............

6. Maybe MAS met a speech therapist during her stint as a CNA that could help her recall and strengthening her short term memory.


The only thing that will produce symptoms of food poison is from all the "CROW" MAS will be eating when the TRUTH is revealed.

IMO the food poisoning excuse was much better than calling in sick with the excuse of having been binging on drugs and alcohol in MS all night. When I did a quick Google on memory loss and synthetic drugs, bath salts and Meth use both have varying degrees of memory loss associated with them. Some users reported having more acute memory during the high but a loss during withdrawal. MAS's amnesia claim might actually be due to her addictions rather than food poisoning.

Maybe Bessie can help me with this one. When I revisited the early threads, many posters who were very familiar with life in the French Quarter were sharing opinions and theories about Jaren's case. Many suspected drugs were involved as well as the possibility of MAS and TS being involved in an escort type service. Few thought the two were looking for a victim to kill and dismember when they entered Temptations and left with Jaren. Some thought that Jaren had accepted offers like the one made by MAS and TS before. I even read one on thread #3 around p. 18 that said MAS was a friend of Hillary Moulder. Was that ever verified? I wish we had some of the original FQ posters to share their ideas now that MAS is out of jail and no charges have been made against either in Jaren's murder. What are they thinking 4 months later??
 
  • #326
I didn't have time yesterday to stop in to say this. But yesterday made 4 months since Jaren was found.

R.I.P Sweet lady

Jaren Lockhart

6/7/12

We will never forget you even though some of us may not have known you.

JUSTICE IS COMING!!!

Yes, and it's a beautiful day in NOLA (and a holiday for some lucky students and their teachers:-) the day after the Saints won their first game of the season and Drew Brees broke another record. And it's time to win Justice for Jaren!
 
  • #327
IMO the food poisoning excuse was much better than calling in sick with the excuse of having been binging on drugs and alcohol in MS all night. When I did a quick Google on memory loss and synthetic drugs, bath salts and Meth use both have varying degrees of memory loss associated with them. Some users reported having more acute memory during the high but a loss during withdrawal. MAS's amnesia claim might actually be due to her addictions rather than food poisoning.

Maybe Bessie can help me with this one. When I revisited the early threads, many posters who were very familiar with life in the French Quarter were sharing opinions and theories about Jaren's case. Many suspected drugs were involved as well as the possibility of MAS and TS being involved in an escort type service. Few thought the two were looking for a victim to kill and dismember when they entered Temptations and left with Jaren. Some thought that Jaren had accepted offers like the one made by MAS and TS before. I even read one on thread #3 around p. 18 that said MAS was a friend of Hillary Moulder. Was that ever verified? I wish we had some of the original FQ posters to share their ideas now that MAS is out of jail and no charges have been made against either in Jaren's murder. What are they thinking 4 months later??

IMO, she remembers something!
 
  • #328
Thank you very much! This is a very informative and an interesting post.

This quote below is bothering me about MAS's mental state. I wonder if she is truly bipolar or does her strange behavior have something to do with illegal drugs, etc?

"In another development Monday, Margaret Sanchez's public defender told FOX 8 that the woman was taken to the Rosenblum Mental Health Center in Hammond for a short time. But a spokesperson for the Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office insists that Sanchez has not been moved from the jail."

Source:
http://www.fox8live.com/story/18819260/lockhart-murder-suspect-to-mental-health-center?clienttype=printable

Did she actually go or was her public defender preparing for an insanity plea for her? If she was that mentally ill, then she would have been at the Mental Health Center much longer. Would that be fair to say?
agree , she would have been there longer. this was a prep for a murder defense.
 
  • #329
Thank you very much! This is a very informative and an interesting post.

This quote below is bothering me about MAS's mental state. I wonder if she is truly bipolar or does her strange behavior have something to do with illegal drugs, etc?

"In another development Monday, Margaret Sanchez's public defender told FOX 8 that the woman was taken to the Rosenblum Mental Health Center in Hammond for a short time. But a spokesperson for the Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office insists that Sanchez has not been moved from the jail."

Source:
http://www.fox8live.com/story/18819260/lockhart-murder-suspect-to-mental-health-center?clienttype=printable

Did she actually go or was her public defender preparing for an insanity plea for her? If she was that mentally ill, then she would have been at the Mental Health Center much longer. Would that be fair to say?

agree , she would have been there longer. this was a prep for a murder defense.

BBM

This WAS definitely a move to prep for an insanity plea IMO,
her attorney knew that MAS was involved and was taking steps (like telling the news!?!) in order to play the poor victim role!
He figured the charges were inevitable ~ which IMO still ARE!
I'm sure that the whole thumb sucking scared little girl act was rehearsed and planned long before MAS ever walked into that courtroom!
They wanted her to appear battered and victimized by TS IMO, but it only made her look that much guiltier. With the blue hair and laughing as soon as she was outside!
After seeing her in the ABC show, what’s it called Final Witness; she wasn't sucking her thumb or anything.
She clearly stated that if she was in Zacks shoes she would've done the same thing!
It's odd to me that she has been connected (loosely but still close enough) to these women!
I'm 30 and I do not know of a single person that has been dismembered and this chick knows not just of one but now of TWO women?
Something is not making sense I don’t know about yall but it seems like a bit too much of a coincidence.
Now MAS has found Jesus and wants all of this to just go away!
I don't even think so sista; there is no sweeping this one under the rug!!
I will call LE every month, every week, everyday if I have to, I will bug the crap out of them to keep this case going.
I'm not giving up on Jaren ~ Justice will be done!
 
  • #330
I suppose I wouldn't be shocked if she raises the insanity defense, but I would be surprised. She's certainly competent to stand trial because if she can rally "Team MAS" around her she can certainly assist her lawyer. Some of her posts also showed she understands the charges against her. As for a defense itself, it's raised in less than 1% of cases and when raised, it's successful less than 1/5 of the time. She would have to convince a jury that she didn't know the difference between right and wrong. Frankly, her actions following Jaren's disappearance show she knew the difference between right and wrong. Even disposing of the body the way they allegedly did shows they knew the difference between right and wrong. You don't conceal a crime, whether it's hiding the body, not coming forward to LE, trying to avoid LE or hiding their identities when confronted by LE, if you didn't know what you did was wrong.

Looking at it all, I think she would stand a better chance of acquittal arguing the State didn't meet their burden or by arguing someone else did it than she has with an insanity defense where she essentially isn't denying her role in the whole ordeal. So, in that sense, I would welcome an insanity defense because I think it makes getting a conviction that much easier.
 
  • #331
I just looked at the The City of New Orleans: Homicide Cold Cases and did not see Jaren's case there! I take that as an excellent sign.
 
  • #332
BBM

This WAS definitely a move to prep for an insanity plea IMO,
her attorney knew that MAS was involved and was taking steps (like telling the news!?!) in order to play the poor victim role!
He figured the charges were inevitable ~ which IMO still ARE!
I'm sure that the whole thumb sucking scared little girl act was rehearsed and planned long before MAS ever walked into that courtroom!
They wanted her to appear battered and victimized by TS IMO, but it only made her look that much guiltier. With the blue hair and laughing as soon as she was outside!
After seeing her in the ABC show, what’s it called Final Witness; she wasn't sucking her thumb or anything.
She clearly stated that if she was in Zacks shoes she would've done the same thing!
It's odd to me that she has been connected (loosely but still close enough) to these women!
I'm 30 and I do not know of a single person that has been dismembered and this chick knows not just of one but now of TWO women?
Something is not making sense I don’t know about yall but it seems like a bit too much of a coincidence.
Now MAS has found Jesus and wants all of this to just go away!
I don't even think so sista; there is no sweeping this one under the rug!!
I will call LE every month, every week, everyday if I have to, I will bug the crap out of them to keep this case going.
I'm not giving up on Jaren ~ Justice will be done!

Hitting the thanks button wasn't enough. You deserve a standing ovation and there are many people who completely support you and Justice for Jaren.
 
  • #333
I just looked at the The City of New Orleans: Homicide Cold Cases and did not see Jaren's case there! I take that as an excellent sign.



That's because her body parts were found in Hancock County, MS. If you can recall in the beginning - she was just a "missing person" in New Orleans.

Source: http://www.wwltv.com/news/NOPD-looking-for-missing-22-year-old-woman-157924735.html

However, her murder could have taken place in New Orleans. Nobody really knows, except MAS and TS. Good luck getting them to talk!
 
  • #334
That's because her body parts were found in Hancock County, MS. If you can recall in the beginning - she was just a "missing person" in New Orleans.

Source: http://www.wwltv.com/news/NOPD-looking-for-missing-22-year-old-woman-157924735.html

However, her murder could have taken place in New Orleans. Nobody really knows, except MAS and TS. Good luck getting them to talk!

yes, I am well aware that her body was found on the MS gulf coast in Long Beach. I thought b/c she was from NOLA and went missing from there they would at least have something about her somewhere on there website. (I mean no one has been formally charged) I didn't see anything, but perhaps I missed it. Since I found nothing my thoughts went in the positive direction and the fact that the case is not considered cold.
 
  • #335
Waiting...waiting...waiting, for some news for Jaren.
 
  • #336
:bump:

Bump for Jaren!
 
  • #337
I truly believe a couple of people are not going to have a very good Christmas or New Year. I really believe we'll have the FBI results back before then and it will make some people's holidays and ruin others.
 
  • #338
I truly believe a couple of people are not going to have a very good Christmas or New Year. I really believe we'll have the FBI results back before then and it will make some people's holidays and ruin others.

Man... I sure hope you are right. I think about her all the time... and like the rest of us, I am waiting for the slime that did this to her to go to jail (again, and the other one be charged, JMO). I believe that even if they are never brought to justice, they WILL have to meet their maker. And He may not be as forgiving as they hope. It may not be soon enough for some of us, but it's still hell that they will pay.
 
  • #339
IMO the food poisoning excuse was much better than calling in sick with the excuse of having been binging on drugs and alcohol in MS all night. When I did a quick Google on memory loss and synthetic drugs, bath salts and Meth use both have varying degrees of memory loss associated with them. Some users reported having more acute memory during the high but a loss during withdrawal. MAS's amnesia claim might actually be due to her addictions rather than food poisoning.

Maybe Bessie can help me with this one. When I revisited the early threads, many posters who were very familiar with life in the French Quarter were sharing opinions and theories about Jaren's case. Many suspected drugs were involved as well as the possibility of MAS and TS being involved in an escort type service. Few thought the two were looking for a victim to kill and dismember when they entered Temptations and left with Jaren. Some thought that Jaren had accepted offers like the one made by MAS and TS before. I even read one on thread #3 around p. 18 that said MAS was a friend of Hillary Moulder. Was that ever verified? I wish we had some of the original FQ posters to share their ideas now that MAS is out of jail and no charges have been made against either in Jaren's murder. What are they thinking 4 months later??

I apologize for the delayed response, Ms. Shagwell. Yes, according to HM's family, the two young women were friends and one-time co-workers. Relatives of HM organized a candlelight vigil for JL back in June.

Morvant recently lost her cousin, Hillary Moulder, who was a coworker and friend of Jaren Lockhart. Both of the girls danced in New Orleans.

"Regardless of whether you knew her or not, it's something that's devastating," said Morvant.

Feeling a connection to Jaren and her family, Hillary's family organized the memorial.
http://www.wlox.com/story/18794445/grieving-friends-supports-gather-to-remember-jaren-lockhart

It's true that some locals, including myself, speculated that TS and MS were paid by an unknown individual to "make arrangements" for a private party. Such a thing is certainly not unheard of. JL was either the second or third dancer the two approached that night. Remember, the first one spoke to the media, and said MAS offered her money to be "a treat" for TS. Blech! (There was talk of another dancer being propositioned by MAS, but I'm not sure that rumor was confirmed.) Judging by MAS's actions and things we've learned since June, I no longer lean as strongly to that theory, but it still makes sense.

The notion of "a treat" for TS came only from that first dancer. I don't know how the media came to talk to her, but FQ club employees are usually reluctant witnesses. Since she was onstage when MAS approached her, others probably noticed. So either someone gave her name to LE, or she volunteered, knowing it was bound to come out. But did she tell the truth about what MAS said to her? Probably, but on the other hand, if MAS mentioned a third party, maybe someone known to have "power", would the dancer say that? Or would she refrain from naming the other person out of fear for her safety? I think she would, and that's why I'm not convinced her story is completely accurate. I've even considered that she deliberately went public with a phony story to let "them" know she wasn't talking. JMO IMO MOO
 
  • #340
Jaren and Hillary were friends, this is the only pic I was able to locate of them together.

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