Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.10.17 - Day 14

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 56s56 seconds ago
Legal arguments ending and the jury should be back shortly at #LauraBabcock murder trial. Next witness will be Forensics officer Annette Huys.

 

[JuneBug67]

Thank you AC.....the other tweet didn't clear it up for me.....this looks bad for MS. MOO

It looks worse for DM I think. The iPad is set up to his ID and credit card, and he declines to give MS the password. Smich is at his house using the iPad, but it suggests DM has claimed it.

 

[Kamille]

I think the important point for Dungey here is that the iPad was Dell’s to give in the minds of everybody. Similar testimony appeared in the TB trial. That does say something. What confers that specific authority? It’s an interesting question.

Yes. And why was he leaving "dough" for MS on July 4th. DM made all his minions work for their money. So what work did MS do for him? :waitasec:

 

[deugirtni]

I believe the older backup would continue to show the old name. When you do a recovery, you have to choose the backup date you want to use. And while I know there were a few back ups on DM's IPhones, from my understanding there was only one on the IPad. So basically, it was connected to DM's computer on July 4th and it was backed up at that time, probably with the old name. Then the next back up done in Jan 2013 had it renamed to Mark's IPad. Now we've been led to believe that this name change happened after it was connected in July 2012 but today we find out that they don't actually know if the name was changed at that time.

However it is noteworthy that all of the data on it from that time onward seems to be MS related. Right from the start. So Dungey suggesting that an email from 2013 claiming that DM gave it MS is not going to fly as to when he actually got it and started using it.

MOO

The ipad was initially hooked up to DM's computer, and (presumably) at some point between then and the next backup date of January 2013, the ipad's name was changed to 'mark's'... I don't believe they know what it had been called prior to that, because Falconer said that it could have been called 'mark's' even before July 4th (however, we are assuming that obviously DM and MS did not have the ipad prior to getting together with LB on July 3rd).

Okay, now I'm confusing myself - because if the initial attachment to the ipad to DM's computer in July 2012 is already showing 'Mark's', then why is Falconer saying it could have been changed to 'Mark's' any time prior to Jan 2013? ie if it wasn't changed until Dec 2012, then where is it showing up on July 4, 2012?

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
The jury is back in, we're getting back underway. #LauraBabcock

 

[billandrew]

Sgt. Annette Huys, Hamilton Police, forensics expert, discovered bone in incinerator at farm (Bosma trial)

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews1m1 minute ago
Sgt. Annette Huys is with Hamilton Police. Since May 4 1997. More than two decades. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC2m2 minutes ago
The next witness is Sgt. Annette Huys. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC1m1 minute ago
She's an officer with Hamilton police. She was part of a search in the Spring of 2013. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC31s32 seconds ago
She's worked with Hamilton Police for 20 years. #LauraBabcock

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 52s53 seconds ago
On May 11, 2013, she went to 2548 Rosedale Road in Kitchener. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 26s27 seconds ago
It's a rural property with a barn. She was there to execute a search warrant with other officers. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews48s48 seconds ago
May 11, 2013 Sgt. Huys went to 2548 Rosedale Road. Kitchener area. She got there just after three in the afternoon. It was a rural property with a barn. She was helping execute a search warrant with other officers. She spent a week there. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC49s50 seconds ago
She was there searching for about a week. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC14s15 seconds ago
Huys says she was taking pictures during the search. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 58s59 seconds ago
She attended to take photographs of the property, as a forensics officer, Huys says. Court has heard that #Millard had a farm. #LauraBabcock

 

[deugirtni]

I believe the older backup would continue to show the old name. When you do a recovery, you have to choose the backup date you want to use. And while I know there were a few back ups on DM's IPhones, from my understanding there was only one on the IPad. So basically, it was connected to DM's computer on July 4th and it was backed up at that time, probably with the old name. Then the next back up done in Jan 2013 had it renamed to Mark's IPad. Now we've been led to believe that this name change happened after it was connected in July 2012 but today we find out that they don't actually know if the name was changed at that time.

However it is noteworthy that all of the data on it from that time onward seems to be MS related. Right from the start. So Dungey suggesting that an email from 2013 claiming that DM gave it MS is not going to fly as to when he actually got it and started using it.

MOO

I'm not sure what Dungey's motive was for bringing forth that email. I got the impression that he was showing that DM 'gave' it to MS, as opposed to 'sold' it to MS...... but..... how does that really help him... and in fact.. doesn't that make his client's case worse? ie... if you assist in killing someone for compensation, it's M1... if DM 'gave' the ipad to MS, then wouldn't that be considered compensation, as opposed to what could have potentially been MS making a purchase unrelated?
In any case, I wasn't getting that Dungey was trying to suggest anything about the date when MS received the ipad? But who knows?
Was the purpose just to show that it was DM's first? And that DM had 'ownership' of it either way, whether it was 'given' or 'sold' to someone else?

 

[RandomName479]

I think we are about to hear about some forensic evidence at the farm relating to LB....

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Some of the photos were taken on May 11, others taken throughout the week, but Huys says she took them all. We're now looking at a map. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 58s59 seconds ago
We're now going through some photos on the screen. The first one is a google maps shot showing where the Rosedale Road property is. #LauraBabcock

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
We're now seeing a satellite image of that address. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews
3m3 minutes ago
Satellite image of the farm shows treed areas as well as fields and a barn. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC2m2 minutes ago
We're now seeing a photo of a large, old looking barn on a rural, farm property. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews3m3 minutes ago
Photo of a barn, weathered wood siding. Huys says the view we see faces the road. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC
2m2 minutes ago
Now another shot of the barn. There's an old wooden fence around it, too. #LauraBabock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC
2m2 minutes ago
Now seeing a photo of a dirt path, leading up to the barn. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews
2m2 minutes ago
Barn has a large main portion and a smaller section added on. Doors open & it looks like part of the wooden exterior has rotted away. A dirt road leads up to the barn. Trash and containers in front of it. #Millard #Smich #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC
1m1 minute ago
Another shot of the barn -- some wooden planks seem to have fallen off of it, leaving portions exposed. #LauraBabcock

 

[Errrr]

The backup name is based on the name of your device. Change the device name and the backup name will change. The don't get replaced though, so you will always have old backups with the old name, and newer ones with the new name.

Well, due to phone data, we can see MS was there on July 3/4. Since these guys didn't delete any other incriminating back-ups, I doubt they deleted an iPad file with SL name on it. I even wonder if they are aware these back-ups are happening or they just think they're getting tunes updated?

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews1m1 minute ago
East side of barn also has hole in side "back corner exposed to the elements, you can see part of a silo," Huys describes. Dirt road leads behind the barn. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC1m1 minute ago
In another shot, you can see there's a large section of the back corner of the barn that has fallen away, and the inside is exposed. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews37s37 seconds ago
"Looks like you're starting to walk around the barn" Lockhart says, and Huys agrees. A hill seems to butt up against the back of the barn. #LauraBabcock

 

[deugirtni]

Regardless of when the iPad became "Mark's", there is still the text from July 4 at 9:55pm where Smich is asking for Millard's password for his Apple ID. The iPad was connected to Millard's Apple ID. IMO Millard gave Smich the iPad shortly after Babcock was killed, and he helped him get it set up.

In addition to the "ashy stone" lyrics, there are also lyrics from the Bosma trial:

"My 380 iz no stranger. When I'm angered you're in danger."

The time stamp on those lyrics was July 7, 2012.

Although.. it is very circumstantial evidence to ask for DM's apple ID without indicating what it was for... for all we know, MS could have, on his own cellphone, been making an itunes purchase, using DM's account? Or even making a purchase on one of DM's other phones, or anyone's?

I wonder why they are not bringing forth that testimony/evidence in regard to that rap you mentioned above?

The communications with MWJ around the time preceding LB's murder, was it in regard to a 380 or a 32, or are they the same?? (I forget.. I know there was a lot of discussion about something like that back at the other trial).

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
We're seeing more photos of the barn -- basically, the officer is circling around it in photos. #LauraBabcock

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Another shot shows a neighbouring property on the west side. "Still circling that barn," Huys agrees.

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
We're now closer to the barn - in this one you can see two sliding doors and what looks like a big pile of hay outside. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Front corner of barn, up close, you can see two open sliding (metal?) doors. A messy pile of straw, and a dumpster. Rusty metal drums. Garbage bags. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 46s47 seconds ago
In another photos, there's an old door, garbage bags, and a rusty old metal drum sitting outside. The drum looks like it has welded on legs on the bottom of it to stand it up. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
The rusty drum was not seized as part of the search warrant, Huys says. Next shot "shows there's garbage and debris in front of the barn." #LauraBabcock

 

[deugirtni]

I said last night that I could not see a man in his 70's thinking it would be a good idea to navigate those stairs so I bet it had been a while since WM had been in the basement of his home before his death.

MOO

Yes, I'll bet he *never* went down there. Ever. If you look closely at the picture.... it looks like the lowest step you can see in the picture is actually broken off. There is bare wood where the step is supposed to be, and it shows the step. I'm wondering if 'back in the day', the floor used to be covered with 'carpet'.. another 60s/70s thing? So they removed it at some point, and were too chintzy to do anything other than paint it. The picture tells us that it was definitely not polished. I guess basement finishing doesn't affect property values on that street?

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Inside the barn, several drums, jerry cans, metal and plastic containers. "Kerosene" marked drums, "lots of debris," Huys describes her photos. #LauraBabcock

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Now we're seeing inside the barn. Lots of old barrels (plastic and metal), a gas can, metal drums marked kerosene. "There was lots of debris inside the barn," Huys says. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
In another photo, there's drums welded together in a stack, Huys says. #LauraBabcock

Are they green?