Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.10.17 - Day 14

[Velma]

DM about the garbage cans...where did this guy get law degree on the back of a cereal box?

oh right, he doesnt have one.

Nomination for post of the day!

 

[EspressoBean]

what's a hay mow?

A place where hay is stored. Usually an area almost like an attic of a barn.

 

[Night_is_Mine]

I don't care how awful DM is as a lawyer. He's still better than those 2 fools he hired for the TB trial.

 

[Kamille]

Don't know if this was discussed. Thinking of DM's comment about all the puss leaking out could be a description of LB decomposition.

From this page "human decomposition begins around four minutes after a person dies... Excess carbon dioxide causes an acidic environment, causing membranes in cells to rupture....Small blisters filled with nutrient-rich fluid begin appearing on internal organs and the skin’s surface. " http://www.aftermath.com/content/human-decomposition

MM was sitting there during that conversation. I don't think they'd be discussing LB with her in the room if MS sent her out of the garage to tell his buddies about the truth to his rap.

I think they were probably talking about an injury to someone, either one of them or something they'd seen on someone else, and it just takes on a sinister note considering when the conversation was taking place.

MOO

 

[paris_paris]

It could be a clean-out tool. I used something similar when I worked at KFC as a teenager. It was used to clean out the grease sludge at the bottom of the pressure cooker.

It is. There's a small door at the bottom of the incinerator that you open. You put the clean-out tool through the door to scrape the ash out of the bottom.

 

[deugirtni]

Just wanted to address this IPad thing again. I seem to recall that Falconer said there were 44 entries on the IPad prior to July 4th that were not brought into evidence. Anyone else remember this? So I'd have to assume that those entries were found on a back up on DM's computer or SL's? I also seem to remember that there was an agreed statement of facts that the IPad in MS's room was the same IPad that SL loaned to LB. Anyone else remember this? So for some reason whatever was on that IPad prior to the Apple ID user being changed is being kept out. Does that make sense?

And with regard to MS asking for the Apple ID, I also assumed that when the IPad was hooked up on the morning of July 4th, the apple ID user account was changed. Now the only way to do that would be to have the password for the old user or do a complete recovery. So either they had that password, did a complete recovery or the IPad didn't have an Apple ID assigned to it. But it appears that DM's Apple ID, from his IPhone, was entered into the IPad. But at 9:55pm that evening, MS was asking for the password because he probably wanted to download an app. So it couldn't have been MS who set up the IPad in the morning or he'd have known the Apple ID password.

MOO

Nov.3/17 LH Tweets:

Judge is clarifying to jury that the serial number on the iPad in #Smich home was same as one #Babcock had. Recess & 1 more police witness
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

Crown Katie Doherty reading agreed admission: iPad seized from #Smich home was the one given to Laura #Babcock by Shawn Lerner.
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

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"There is no identification required to use the device," Ryder explains. He can't say who touched the device, just what's on the device.
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

There was no locking security on the iPad, #Millard gets Ryder to explain. "I didn't understand any of that," says Justice Code.
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

[email protected] was the FaceTime contact, not known whether used for visual/audio chats. Diplomatix was the Apple ID. #Babcock
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

YesYouMay was the hotmail account turned on #Millard asks? No, that was Say10, Ryder corrects. YesYouMay was the iMessage acct.
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

Theoretically someone could go make a [email protected] address right? #Millard asks. Provided no one else uses that handle.
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

Dellen #Millard is establishing that anyone can make a hotmail account in anyone's name. #Babcock
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

[email protected] is another email address on the iPad; that's also the address for the iTunes account. #Smich #Babcock
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

[email protected] was one email address on the Laura #Babcock iPad. Ryder can't say whether account was ever used on iPad.
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

Now the FaceTime settings "yet another form of communication," Ryder explains to jury. #Babcock.
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

Judge gets guffaws when he asks why you would use one messaging system or email address with several others. Sounds stymied. #Babcock
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

iMessage operates through the internet rather than through the phone number, judge gets Ryder to clarify. #Smich
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

We are looking at the different accounts attached to the iPad found in #Smich home. Hotmail and iMessage enabled
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

The iCloud option was disabled on the iPad found in #Smich room. That feature was found saved on the device.
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

You can change the familiar iPad name but not the serial number, Ryder says. There is also a unique device # for cell network. #Babcock
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

Ken Lockhart is walking us through iPad, incl part where you can find the serial number and the part where give it a name. "Mark's iPad."
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Lisa Hepfner? @HefCHCHNews

 

[Kamille]

It is. There's a small door at the bottom of the incinerator that you open. You put the clean-out tool through the door to scrape the ash out of the bottom.

And no doubt it was also used for TB but there are no pictures showing that so it stayed out of evidence. Perhaps it does have useful DNA evidence for this trial. That would be helpful.

MOO

 

[Jealoushe]

Don't know if this was discussed. Thinking of DM's comment about all the puss leaking out could be a description of LB decomposition.

From this page "human decomposition begins around four minutes after a person dies... Excess carbon dioxide causes an acidic environment, causing membranes in cells to rupture....Small blisters filled with nutrient-rich fluid begin appearing on internal organs and the skin’s surface. " http://www.aftermath.com/content/human-decomposition

yes exactly, I described what it looks like at the beginning of the thread or yesterdays thread I think. Its very puss like.

 

[canadiangirl]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Falconer doesn't think the iPad was called Mark's iPad before the backup on July 4th but it was possible. Judge understood the name was changed upon first connection. Falconer says he can't really know that.

See, even the judge thought so. This is not good. :notgood:

Just catching up. It shouldn't matter what the name is, it matches the serial number to SL iPad. It was Laura's.. Moo

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[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC4m4 minutes ago
Court is now back in session. Just waiting on the jury. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 4m4 minutes ago
Court is back and the jury is coming. I will be able to share Sgt. Annette Huys photos of the #Millard farm and the incinerator at 6pm @CHCHNews

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
Next witness is another forensics officer. Robert Jitta. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC3m3 minutes ago
The next witness is Robert Jitta. He's an officer with Toronto Police.

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Crown Katie Doherty is questioning him about investigations in May of 2013 and Dec of 2013. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Jitta has been with Toronto police for 22 yrs, in forensics since 2011. Crown Katie Doherty leading.

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 57s58 seconds ago
We're starting with May 21 and 22, 2013. He was involved in the examination of a vehicle -- a 2005 Dodge Grand Caravan, a greeny-blue. #LauraBabcock

Mark Carcasole‏Verified account
@MarkCarcGlobal 1m1 minute ago
Jitta was involved in the investigation of a green-blue 2005 Dodge Caravan on May 21 & 22, 2013. #LauraBabcock

 

[winter2017]

Nigh -is _mine, maybe they did such a bad job representing him because they knew he was guilty and did not like him so they did not bother to do a good job. I would feel like my skin crawling to represent the likes of Barnardo , Rafferty or DM and MS. I feel sorry for the lawyers that are forced to by legal aid and in Dm's case it is very good that they probably made a million dollars and did a terrible job, and could have been intentional who knows. There was so much evidence that what could they do. They knew DM was a goof and yet he had a right to a trial. I am happy to see Tracy Rogers going to testify again. She was fantastic in first trial. Looks like Adam Carter s last day, he is the best. I did hear that MS may testify. In one way it would be good because if he admits that he knows Laura was killed by DM it at least gives closure to the BAbcock family, right now there is no proof she is deceased.Then they have closure as horrible as it is.

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
The vehicle was stored at a vehicle bay for Toronto police, to be searched with a search warrant. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Jitta searched a vehicle May 21, 2013; 2005 Dodge Grand Caravan, "greeny-blue," he says. Vehicle was in his forensic identification location when he started his examination. He took photos. #LauraBabcock

This is a new vehicle? Found in the hangar?

 

[Velma]

Kamille, would you like a break for the afternoon? I'm here if you would like me to take over.

 

[RandomName479]

Mark Carcasole‏Verified account
@MarkCarcGlobal 1m1 minute ago
Jitta was involved in the investigation of a green-blue 2005 Dodge Caravan on May 21 & 22, 2013. #LauraBabcock

Timing wise would think this is related to the TB case.....but first I remember hearing about this particular vehicle?

 

[Velma]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
The vehicle was stored at a vehicle bay for Toronto police, to be searched with a search warrant. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Jitta searched a vehicle May 21, 2013; 2005 Dodge Grand Caravan, "greeny-blue," he says. Vehicle was in his forensic identification location when he started his examination. He took photos. #LauraBabcock

This is a new vehicle? Found in the hangar?

The only van I recall hearing about was one that either belonged to or was used by SS.

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
We're now looking at photos that Jitta took of this van. #LauraBabcock

Mark Carcasole‏Verified account
@MarkCarcGlobal 3m3 minutes ago
Jitta examined the vehicle at TPS's vehicle bay. Had already been seized and brought there. Took several pictures. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Photo of van on court screens. Inside Toronto police facility. It appears to have a handicap pass in the windshield. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 29s30 seconds ago
From the outside, the van looks pretty unremarkable. Like any other older model caravan you'd see on the road. #LauraBabcock

 

[Kamille]

Mark Carcasole‏Verified account
@MarkCarcGlobal 1m1 minute ago
Various photos from various angles of the van. A white TPS seal on the left side of the hood making sure it stays closed, not tampered with.

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews1m1 minute ago
Above the drivers' side light there's a white strip. Jitta says it's a police seal, with information from the officer who sealed it before transport. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC1m1 minute ago
The officer is pointing out seals on the doors that were placed there by police for continuity of evidence. #LauraBabcock

 

[RandomName479]

Handicap sticker? Who's van is this? The suspense is killing me.....MS's mom? One of the plethora of DM's minions? Another stolen vehicle? MOO

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews1m1 minute ago
Doesn't appear to be anything remarkable about the van, other than the police seals, yet. Now picture of open driver's door. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC1m1 minute ago
Now we're seeing one of the van door's open - the driver's side. #LauraBabcock

Mark Carcasole‏Verified account
@MarkCarcGlobal56s56 seconds ago
Pics move into interior of van now. Shot of vehicle info on inside of driver door. #LauraBabcock