MA - Conrad Roy, 18, urged by friend, commits suicide, Fairhaven, 13 July 2014

[iamnotagolem]

I can't get those texts out of my mind. I was thinking about this during my drive and realized the parents attitude is a huge part of the problem.

If my teenage daughter (we still have a long time before then) did something as heinous and despicable as MC, as a parent I would be devastated and wonder where I went so wrong. Then I would demand that my child be hospitalized for the rest of her life. I wouldn't stop loving my child, but as a parent we must do what is best for our children, even if that means having them locked away where they can't hurt anyone else. I don't know what kind of diagnosis goes along with her sick twisted mind, but clearly she is incredibly disturbed and sick. That level of evil needs to be locked away before there are more victims.

 

[Lilibet]

I just now discovered this case and I'm speechless...almost. :furious:

What a cold, heartless, manipulative, inhuman #%$&@!!!! I don't know what charge will stick and put this girl away, but I hope she is never able to hurt anyone else again. I cannot believe that her mother is posting on FB about all the fun Michelle is having. Apparently, the apple doesn't fall far from the amoral tree. Horrible people!! JMO

 

[DexterMorgan]

I just now discovered this case and I'm speechless...almost. :furious:

What a cold, heartless, manipulative, inhuman #%$&@!!!! I don't know what charge will stick and put this girl away, but I hope she is never able to hurt anyone else again. I cannot believe that her mother is posting on FB about all the fun Michelle is having. Apparently, the apple doesn't fall far from the amoral tree. Horrible people!! JMO

Imagine her butt working at a hospice or on a suicide hotline.

OMG.

 

[Dogface]

I can't believe her parents either. Even if they do not think she should be charged, don't they think she acted in a way that should at least be punished by them? Perhaps they are thinking this will be their last family trip for some time, and I can almost understand wanting to have that time because as parents we will often reward children for our own selfish reasons. However, I would think some discretion would be called for just out of decency.

And second, she went to prom? She still has friends? I am sorry but I would not allow my child to be friends with someone so lacking in character and clearly without a moral compass. Wake up parents! It's your job to protect your children from potential predators in the best way possible, and just because this predator has the face of a teenage girl does not make her any less of a threat. She has shown her inner self and it's pretty scary, I just don't know what else a parent would need to know that she is not who you want your child to be spending time with.

 

[Lilibet]

:goodpost:

I have a feeling that Michelle and her Mom have spun this so that Michelle is a victim needing support. Poor baby is being persecuted by the big bad DA dontcha know. People are so afraid they will be called "judgemental" nowadays that I'm not surprised that parents are letting their kids associate with her. You know...innocent until proven guilty and all that.

I'm waiting for the fundraising site for her defense to appear! WOW this case makes me mad on so many levels!

 

[Dogface]

What's funny lilibet is I use to be very PC, and worried about stepping on people's toes or using the right phrase. Now that I am a Mom, I could care less if what I do in protecting my child and raising her the way I see fit seems PC! It truly astonishes me that people are letting their kids hang out with her, especially because those teen years can really see kids facing so much pressure and who they hang out with can influence sometimes even the most prepared kids. I would even have understood letting your child remain friends with her until the texts were made available. But once that happened?!? Not in a million years would I let that happen! But I think you are right, being PC clouds judgement for fear of being judged!

 

[keeponsearching]

I think her textes read as if they are right out of a Stephen King novel.

It blows me away that as soon as she knew he was dead she texted his family asking if the knew where he was..pure evil.

I am just sharing the link that has the full text conversation.

I know it already exists in this post but this way newbies won't have to search for it if I bump it up.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/276206526/Michelle-Carter-Texts

OMG that was so hard to read. All Michelle did was cram it down his throat at every conversation. We are missing phone call convo's they probably had too. I am sad, and sorry for Conrad. I thought about his sister that he took out for ice cream, his dog he took for a walk. Did she listen to him die?

 

[zoey]

This girl is clearly in need of help herself .

I have attempted to take my own life , luckily (though I didn't think so at the time ) my friends and family had me sectioned ,

If I had received any text.. Or verbally tempting me to push myself to do it , I would have without hesitation done so ,
Depression gives you an overwhelming sense of loneliness even in a room full of people ,

And since you feel extremely lonely , anxious , one wrong word from someone could seriously tip you over the edge

I absolutely would have gone ahead and done it if a "loved one" told me to do so , u need reassurance that your not worthless, there's people who care , and those people will be there for you when u need them,

I cannot ever imagine my loved ones to helping me through bad times by killing myself ,

Imo she's a truly twisted girl who seriously needs help.

((((hugs)))) I went thru something similar only it was a family member----didn't hesitate a bit to contact LE to check in and bring to hospital. She truly is twisted in so many ways. Posting those pictures on social media---(can't tell me mom posted them all---NOPE not gonna believe that one!) . I truly hope they are able to charge her and lock her up... really a pitty.

 

[I'mjazzed]

A collection of her twitter posts about Conrad ... wow.

http://m.southcoasttoday.com/article/20150227/NEWS/150229467

WOW! This is one twisted individual!!!!! When she says.. she doesn't understand how this could have happened... REALLY???
There is some deep sickness in this girl.

 

[I'mjazzed]

The whole thing is horrifying and reading the texts are like looking into the mind of evil.

There are worse texts but for some reason this one exchange really bugs me:

Conrad (opening a new convo I assume) - how was your day?
Carter - are you gonna do it?

She didn't care to ask how his day was and she didn't care that he cared how her day was, she only wanted to know when he was gonna " do it." That's bullying.

Extremely disturbing!!

I feel so sad for this young man and his family. = (

 

[iamnotagolem]

I can't believe her parents either. Even if they do not think she should be charged, don't they think she acted in a way that should at least be punished by them? Perhaps they are thinking this will be their last family trip for some time, and I can almost understand wanting to have that time because as parents we will often reward children for our own selfish reasons. However, I would think some discretion would be called for just out of decency.

And second, she went to prom? She still has friends? I am sorry but I would not allow my child to be friends with someone so lacking in character and clearly without a moral compass. Wake up parents! It's your job to protect your children from potential predators in the best way possible, and just because this predator has the face of a teenage girl does not make her any less of a threat. She has shown her inner self and it's pretty scary, I just don't know what else a parent would need to know that she is not who you want your child to be spending time with.

Agreed, agreed, agreed.

When I read through her texts, all I could think is if this was my baby girl I'd want her locked up in a hospital so that she could get help and so that she couldn't hurt me. How can you read that and not be in fear for your life? I have no doubt she's capable of murder, I think she listened to him die so that she could get some sick release from it. What's to say she won't kill her parents if they piss her off? Be a real parent. Get your kid help, no one benefits when you pretend there is nothing wrong.

I don't understand how she has friends either. Are these kids really that disconnected from reality that they don't grasp the gravity of the situation? Do they not realize she's dangerous?

 

[iamnotagolem]

OMG that was so hard to read. All Michelle did was cram it down his throat at every conversation. We are missing phone call convo's they probably had too. I am sad, and sorry for Conrad. I thought about his sister that he took out for ice cream, his dog he took for a walk. Did she listen to him die?

I really never got the sense from his texts that he wanted to die. He wanted to take his sister out for ice cream, he wanted to take his dog for a walk yet Michelle changed every conversation to "when are you going to do it". All she cared about was him being dead so she could play the grieving girlfriend.

 

[Steleheart]

I really never got the sense from his texts that he wanted to die. He wanted to take his sister out for ice cream, he wanted to take his dog for a walk yet Michelle changed every conversation to "when are you going to do it". All she cared about was him being dead so she could play the grieving girlfriend.

Agree. In my experience and from people I have known, those who "attempt" suicide, like Conrad did previously , are sending out a plea for help. He was exactly doing that IMO.

Those who are set on suicide take on a far different persona - they are convinced, they just do it. I had a cousin who did and no one accepted it. " Oh he was so much better recently , he was peaceful," etc., That's because he was decisive.

Conrad was indecisive. MICHELLE CARTER manipulated this vulnerable boy into going through with it.

:cow:

 

[LinasK]

Agree. In my experience and from people I have known, those who "attempt" suicide, like Conrad did previously , are sending out a plea for help. He was exactly doing that IMO.

Those who are set on suicide take on a far different persona - they are convinced, they just do it. I had a cousin who did and no one accepted it. " Oh he was so much better recently , he was peaceful," etc., That's because he was decisive.

Conrad was indecisive. MICHELLE CARTER manipulated this vulnerable boy into going through with it.

:cow:

You are so right. Robin Williams didn't send out any pleas for help, he wanted to die and he succeeded. This boy was calling for help and she made him do it!

 

[Lilibet]

I notice in reading the indictment, on pages 21 and 23 Michelle mentions McLeans, which sounds like a mental health facility, and googling shows that it is. I wonder why she was there specifically. She also mentions trying to get him to go there with her, and that he would be in a different section working on his issues. Apologies if this has already been covered.

http://www.mcleanhospital.org

http://ftpcontent2.worldnow.com/whdh/pdf/150821-CT-Suicide-transcirpt.pdf

 

[Lilibet]

I haven't read the entire thread yet, but I want to address something that came up earlier...personal responsibility vs blaming others for the suicide. I've followed several threads on WS that ended in suicide. I cared for these missing people and I was sad that they chose such a permanent solution. I'm thinking of Johnathan Croom, Sam Hoyt, Leanne Bearden, Jennifer Huston, and a couple more.

I've always felt strongly that it is extremely unfair to family and friends left behind to second-guess what they could have done differently to prevent the suicide. Each of the individuals who committed suicide made a very decisive choice. In most cases, there were signs in retrospect or the present that they were depressed or even more seriously ill. But they were determined, and either hid their illness or resisted help.

But I don't see Conrad Roy the same way. He was indecisive and undecided and afraid. He was in tremendous pain and felt hopeless. Instead of continually insisting that he get help and attempting to contact his family, Michelle Carter literally badgered him to kill himself, right up to the moment she told him to get back in the truck. Unlike the family and friends of the suicide victims I've mentioned, Michelle is at least equally responsible with Conrad for his decision IMO. If not for her, I don't believe he would have gone through with it at that time, or ever.

Yes, it could be argued that he chose to listen to her advice, rather than seek help. But I believe that he would have listened to her if she had pushed him to get help. He thought he loved her and he trusted her. She might as well have pushed him off a bridge to drown IMO.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Lilibet. Agreed.

If a guy did this same thing to a female friend. He would hanging from the rafters by now.

 

[Steleheart]

I haven't read the entire thread yet, but I want to address something that came up earlier...personal responsibility vs blaming others for the suicide. I've followed several threads on WS that ended in suicide. I cared for these missing people and I was sad that they chose such a permanent solution. I'm thinking of Johnathan Croom, Sam Hoyt, Leanne Bearden, Jennifer Huston, and a couple more.

I've always felt strongly that it is extremely unfair to family and friends left behind to second-guess what they could have done differently to prevent the suicide. Each of the individuals who committed suicide made a very decisive choice. In most cases, there were signs in retrospect or the present that they were depressed or even more seriously ill. But they were determined, and either hid their illness or resisted help.

But I don't see Conrad Roy the same way. He was indecisive and undecided and afraid. He was in tremendous pain and felt hopeless. Instead of continually insisting that he get help and attempting to contact his family, Michelle Carter literally badgered him to kill himself, right up to the moment she told him to get back in the truck. Unlike the family and friends of the suicide victims I've mentioned, Michelle is at least equally responsible with Conrad for his decision IMO. If not for her, I don't believe he would have gone through with it at that time, or ever.

Yes, it could be argued that he chose to listen to her advice, rather than seek help. But I believe that he would have listened to her if she had pushed him to get help. He thought he loved her and he trusted her. She might as well have pushed him off a bridge to drown IMO.

Wonderful post. Thank you.

I do not think that Conrad had the capacity to make choices. She did, and she hoped in his incapacity to gain attention to herself.

MOO

 

[Lilibet]

Lilibet. Agreed.

If a guy did this same thing to a female friend. He would hanging from the rafters by now.

You may be right, Dex. And a less attractive girl probably would face a rough trial. I hope her relatively good looks don't work in her favor. JMO

Wonderful post. Thank you.

I do not think that Conrad had the capacity to make choices. She did, and she hoped in his incapacity to gain attention to herself.

MOO

Thanks so much. I agree. I think at that point he was just immobilized. She wanted to play the strong, noble, grieving girlfriend, so she needed him to go through with it.

What I don't understand are her texts to Samantha revealing that she could have stopped him. Was she pretending to be guilt-ridden so she could get reassurance that she had done all she could to help him? It sort of backfired! I'd like to know what Samantha responded. Did she call LE?

 

[believe09]

McLean is no joke in terms of it's capacity for mental health care for high risk people.

LINK HERE

McLean is known widely for its treatment of adolescents, most specifically its treatment of Borderline Personality Disorder using Dialectical Behavioral Therapy developed by Marsha M. Linehan.

Which doesnt mean that is why Carter was/is being seen at the hospital, but it certainly causes me to wonder.