MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #21 Retrial

[Wishbone]

BIB
Please post a link to this.

As far as I am aware, the Feds discovered only the ARCCA report materials under a Touhy request. No one knows the scope or results of their investigation beyond that, or even what they were investigating. As confirmed by Yannetti on June 10 in Court below.



The Touhy procedure is somewhat opaque, but I guess you could speculate that given the Feds do not appear to have discovered anything else - such broader evidence does not exist. In any event, there does not appear to be any report from the FBI themselves laying out evidence of corruption - at least that I know of.

The 3000 pages of documents turned over to the cw and defense INCLUDED information about the federal investigators hiring a reconstruction expert. We were not privy to what else it disclosed and was suppressed the same as the origin of the request to ARCCA that was ordered not to be revealed in court. To speculate nothing else was disclosed seems to have no basis or even an iota of certainty. JMOO

Karen Read defense team says federal expert found John O'Keefe was not hit by SUV

The defense team for Karen Read said Tuesday that a federal expert concluded evidence does not support that John O'Keefe was hit by an SUV as Massachusetts prosecutors allege.

www.cbsnews.com

Federal investigation​

In February, the U.S. Attorney's office provided over 3,000 pages of documents about their investigation into the case. Defense attorney Alan Jackson said in court Tuesday that included in the paperwork was information about federal investigators hiring a reconstruction expert.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

i dont think this is going to go well for Proctor at all. This man is a FORMER lead investigator in this case, a FORMER police officer, and was fired because of his poor investigation IN THIS CASE. The investigation was sloppy, and lazy, and those texts are going to make him look worse than it did a year ago.

This isnt about being inappropriate. He isnt up there as himself. He is up there because he was meant to be a professional..and he did not fulfill that duty as an officer. His only job was to professionally document a series of events which includes protocol, procedure, and chain of custody.

The poster just excuses his disgusting behavior ever since it was disclosed. Thin blue line and all. Guess nobody would mind if a LE officer was texting about your loved one like he did about KR. "Yeah, lets mock her for having a colostomy bag!" Really stand up guy there.

 

[thebedbug]

It's funny how we all come away with different judgements of witnesses.

My impression of Kerry Roberts was that she was a completely credible witness, a very caring and kind lady, and she misspoke at the GJ, because by that time she had heard that Karen asked Jen to make a search, without any intention of misleading anyone. It didn't negate her testimony, IMO. I can't believe the derogatory comments made here about her, or Peggy.

As a juror I wouldn't think much of the way K Roberts was treated by the defense. Trying to make out she was a dishonest witness didn't work, IMO.

Jurors are instructed re: their judgement of witness testimony. They can believe all, some, or none of it.

I think most will probably agree with what you said, but the defense is hoping some won't.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Jurors are instructed re: their judgement of witness testimony. They can believe all, some, or none of it.

I think most will probably agree with what you said, but the defense is hoping some won't.

And what fact are you basing that on? Because YOU think something, so obviously everyone else in the world will agree with you? During the first trial you said the same things. Funny how the verdict didn't reflect that. I expect more of the same this time.

 

[Lorenathered]

The poster just excuses his disgusting behavior ever since it was disclosed. Thin blue line and all. Guess nobody would mind if a LE officer was texting about your loved one like he did about KR. "Yeah, lets mock her for having a colostomy bag!" Really stand up guy there.

People justifying, handwaving away, or simply ignoring Proctors behavior truly scares me. IMO, allowing police(and anyone in general)to think and behave as if this is normal is how we wind up with cases like Sandra Birchmore. Allowing this behavior to stand unchallenged simply because you have feels about the defendant doesn't say much about the future of fair and just trials. I hope those people never find themselves or their loved ones on the wrong side of a Proctor.

 

[thebedbug]

A sobering reality in all of this is that if KR had accepted a plea, there is a good chance (based on the anticipated terms) she'd already be free.

 

[Bethlamb16]

A sobering reality in all of this is that if KR had accepted a plea, there is a good chance (based on the anticipated terms) she'd already be free.

Was there a plea offered to her? Do you know what was offered? Thanks.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

A sobering reality in all of this is that if KR had accepted a plea, there is a good chance (based on the anticipated terms) she'd already be free.

Link for the terms of the plea deal she turned down?

 

[Forest_Wood]

It's funny how we all come away with different judgements of witnesses.

My impression of Kerry Roberts was that she was a completely credible witness, a very caring and kind lady, and she misspoke at the GJ, because by that time she had heard that Karen asked Jen to make a search, without any intention of misleading anyone. It didn't negate her testimony, IMO. I can't believe the derogatory comments made here about her, or Peggy.

As a juror I wouldn't think much of the way K Roberts was treated by the defense. Trying to make out she was a dishonest witness didn't work, IMO.

I too always had the impression that KerR was credible, caring and kind. I didn't notice the defense treated her in a negative manner. They pointed out discrepancies in what she had already testified to. How is that a poor way of treating her?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Jurors are instructed re: their judgement of witness testimony. They can believe all, some, or none of it.

I think most will probably agree with what you said, but the defense is hoping some won't.

Yeah, let's just dismiss any discrepancy in testimonies and not consider those implications. That's the way a juror should make a judgement in a murder trial, ignoring anything that doesn't make sense.

 

[justtrish]

The first witness was on for an hour just to document what KR's blood test showed. Was it even in question that she had been drinking the night before? I thought she said she was drinking. Feels like the jury might be bored a long time ago.

 

[Tortoise]

I too always had the impression that KerR was credible, caring and kind. I didn't notice the defense treated her in a negative manner. They pointed out discrepancies in what she had already testified to. How is that a poor way of treating her?

I think the manner was off. Too aggressive. Grandstanding. It's not the content, it's tone and manner, over the top, borne of a desperation to pull everyone on the prosecution witness list into a conspiracy of collusion and dishonesty. People do misspeak, mishear, and misunderstand. Had she wanted to help Jen she could have lied from the beginning and said she did hear it, if she was a dishonest person. She came across as a very caring woman, trying to help people she loved in a blizzard at 5am. She said she and Jen had worked together on a timeline so she was aware of it.

Another instance is going at the paramedic for saying sitting there instead of lying there, which was clearly a turn of phrase and everyone knew John was lying down. I doubt anyone took it literally and thought 'oh did she think John was sitting up for hours?' or even noticed the discrepancy.

I thought they would have come up with a better, pared down strategy for trial 2. It's important for jurors to connect with advocates. I've done jury service in a murder case and I draw on that experience. IMO

 

[justbeachy]

I don't think it's so much how they said it, but what they said. I don't think you can reasonably say it's a nothingburger - that along with other evidence we know is to come, certainly paint the picture of a relationship in a very strained state. Couple those emotions with KR and JO(?) being drunk and you've got some volatile conditions around his murder.

re: others reading relationship texts, emails. happy to have that never happen!

Respectfully, I actually CAN reasonably say it's a big nothing burger to ME, which is what I said. I also don't believe he was murdered. IMO

 

[Tortoise]

Jason Becker, Canton Fire Dept. now on the stand. Re the section 12 call out, psych eval for Karen Read.

 

[RatFace]

Why do they keep referring to JOK as KR's husband? This keeps happening from both the people on the witness stand and the lawyer questioning them.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Why do they keep referring to JOK as KR's husband? This keeps happening from both the people on the witness stand and the lawyer questioning them.

Karen Read called him her husband that morning

 

[Wishbone]

Karen Read called him her husband that morning

I don't recall that, do you have a link?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't recall that, do you have a link?

It’s being testified to today

 

[Tortoise]

I don't recall that, do you have a link?

In yesterday's and today's testimony from the ambulance crew.

Today's:

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[RatFace]

Karen Read called him her husband that morning

That's pretty bizarre of her to do.