MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #23 Retrial

[Angelwatch]

Brennan doing what he can to make the timing of Ryan Nagel more confusing than it is. I find this irritating.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

And here we go. Katie McLaughlin is being cross examined by AJ.

 

[Curiousobserver]

Of course. Honestly, it feels like the roles have reversed: the CW is relying on theatrics, emotional manipulation, and distractions, while the defense is the only one consistently presenting hard forensic analysis. People get so swept up in salacious details and grandstanding that they lose sight of the basics: there is NO definitive forensic evidence tying Karen to John’s injuries. None. And that matters. The defense doesn’t have to prove an alternate theory beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s the prosecution’s job. They had their shot in trial one, and they failed. All that’s needed is reasonable doubt, and the state still hasn’t cleared that bar. MOO.

Her tail light pieces are on his shirt, his DNA is on her taillight, other tail light pieces found under the snow in front of the house.

And her own interview with Gretchen Voss where she said she noticed her broken tail light at 5am.

 

[DropthePuck]

Of course. Honestly, it feels like the roles have reversed: the CW is relying on theatrics, emotional manipulation, and distractions, while the defense is the only one consistently presenting hard forensic analysis. People get so swept up in salacious details and grandstanding that they lose sight of the basics: there is NO definitive forensic evidence tying Karen to John’s injuries. None. And that matters. The defense doesn’t have to prove an alternate theory beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s the prosecution’s job. They had their shot in trial one, and they failed. All that’s needed is reasonable doubt, and the state still hasn’t cleared that bar. MOO.

People are also getting swept up in what Karen Read supposedly said at the scene and seem to have absolutely no problem sending her to prison for it instead of considering all of the evidence.

 

[Baba O'Riley]

She denied being Jen McCabe.

If I recall correctly, she testified that she denied being JM because she did not know they were FBI agents. She thought they may be salesmen of some sort.

 

[Derph]

Karen's defense team has done a great job pointing out inconsistencies and especially in trying to portray JM as the orchestrator of a coverup. JO being in that house is a central, required, part of the story because unless he did enter that house, there is no motive for Jenn to turn from soccer mom, to criminal mastermind and as luck would have it, this part of Karen's story is testable. When you test it, it fails.

The phone GPS data makes it possible for him to have been in the house when the GPS was the most inaccurate. This is absolutely true. However, only a very short time after that, when the accuracy improves, he is in the spot where they found his body and the data continues to report his location in that spot, whenever it has accuracy. There is no accurate GPS data that shows him anywhere else but in the yard where they found him. How clever must Jenn be to look on his phone and put him back in exactly that same spot so the rest of the data wouldn't be inconsistent?

But, throw all that GPS data out... Multiple eye-witnesses didn't see him inside the house, there was a steady loss of temperature in his battery as if he had been out in the cold the whole night, he was completely covered in snow with bare grass underneath him, and there was a complete lack of canine DNA on his clothing.

There was a complete lack of canine DNA on the 4 tiny swabs taken from unknown locations of his clothing. The swabs were not identified as to wear on his clothing they were taken from. They could have come from the opposite side of his shirt. They could have come from the underside of his shirt. The fact is we don't know and that is another major failure in the investigation right there. How convenient.

 

[Soulmagent]

Her tail light pieces are on his shirt, his DNA is on her taillight, other tail light pieces found under the snow in front of the house.

And her own interview with Gretchen Voss where she said she noticed her broken tail light at 5am.

Maybe it was transfer dna from his tail light to hers?

Maybe l am over thining it ,or maybe I jest . But I had not heard the DNA was there so if ya know where I can look for it real quick TYIA!

 

[iusedtofloat]

side note : i wanna know whose car lucky the plow driver saw outside 34 fairview in the exact spot johns body was later found. because i dont think any of these drunk people could've carried a tall, built cop to the front yard.

 

[Forest_Wood]

People are also getting swept up in what Karen Read supposedly said at the scene and seem to have absolutely no problem sending her to prison for it instead of considering all of the evidence.

In the end, it doesn’t matter what Karen has said because if the CW doesn’t prove BARD that her vehicle hit JOK, the jury must acquit her.

 

[RatFace]

So now we're supposed to believe the EMT was helping to cover up a murder? This defies logic.

 

[Derph]

If I recall correctly, she testified that she denied being JM because she did not know they were FBI agents. She thought they may be salesmen of some sort.

Right??? So that's why she went inside and immediately called several people telling them that the FBI just stopped her and came up to her AND gave her their card! She even called them right back after talking to Brian Albert! No, she absolutely knew who those people were. She lied and got caught.

 

[Soulmagent]

In the end, it doesn’t matter what Karen has said because if the CW doesn’t prove BARD that her vehicle hit JOK, the jury must acquit her.

I gotta a great closing line...
" You must aquit the case is SH--T""
I like it , I dunno about y''all.

 

[iusedtofloat]

So now we're supposed to believe the EMT was helping to cover up a murder? This defies logic.

lol, no, it's not necessarily like that. the mcc's and alberts have been caught in intimidating other witnesses, so who's to say the EMT is off the table...

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Her tail light pieces are on his shirt, his DNA is on her taillight, other tail light pieces found under the snow in front of the house.

And her own interview with Gretchen Voss where she said she noticed her broken tail light at 5am.

The tail light narrative sounds compelling, until you remember that in the original 1/30/22 incident report, Canton PD didn’t find a single tail light fragment at the scene. None were documented. And John’s shirt wasn’t entered into evidence until March 14 2022, over six weeks later. That’s a massive chain of custody gap. DNA on the tail light - so what? He lived with her. That’s transfer, not proof of a collision. And even the state’s own expert couldn’t say that the DNA got there during an alleged impact. Karen noticing her broken tail light isn’t a confession, it’s an observation. And the defense’s forensic experts directly challenged the idea that her tail light could’ve caused John’s injuries. The CW has yet to counter that with actual science. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt still hasn’t shown up. MOO.

 

[shotgun09]

We have now moved to four times that KR said " I hit him".

Mmmkay?

 

[Derph]

So now we're supposed to believe the EMT was helping to cover up a murder? This defies logic.

No one is saying that. Her story seems to have changed since the last time she testified. We aren't saying she is part of any conspiracy. Now she is saying she heard KR say it 4 times!!! Where was that in her previous testimony? Why has it changed.

 

[iusedtofloat]

So... what does this even mean??? Now some of the witnesses are saying that Karen didn't even drive John to 34 FV? Or is he saying when he got there John was already inside?

EDIT: Notice how when Brennan is questioning the CW's witnesses, he doesn't yell, "THINK BACK!! TRY TO REMEMBER!!!!" when they cannot recall something, like he did with Wolfe lol

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Maybe it was transfer dna from his tail light to hers?

Maybe l am over thining it ,or maybe I jest . But I had not heard the DNA was there so if ya know where I can look for it real quick TYIA!

It was brought up in trial 1. Some trace DNA and a single rootless hair. Yanetti openly said it was planted and said ‘The question is, how did that magic hair survive a 30 mile drive through a blizzard?’

 

[RatFace]

No one is saying that. Her story seems to have changed since the last time she testified. We aren't saying she is part of any conspiracy. Now she is saying she heard KR say it 4 times!!! Where was that in her previous testimony? Why has it changed.

That doesn't seem like a big change to me. I can see how you could mis-remember 3 vs 4 times.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

No one is saying that. Her story seems to have changed since the last time she testified. We aren't saying she is part of any conspiracy. Now she is saying she heard KR say it 4 times!!! Where was that in her previous testimony? Why has it changed.

Exactly. No one’s accusing every witness of being part of some grand conspiracy. But let’s be honest, some may have been directly involved, and others are likely being coached, manipulated, or subtly led by the CW into thinking they’re just “helping.” That’s how these narratives evolve. MOO.