MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #23 Retrial

[Forest_Wood]

That was me also, I’ve said multiple times here that I’ve driven those routes and streets hundreds of times throughout my lifetime and no way it’d be 4 minutes even in perfect conditions.

Hopefully your word is enough to put those rumors to rest now!

 

[Forest_Wood]

I don’t believe for a second it was unlocked but she couldn’t say they let her in because that would admit that they weren’t sleeping and instead were peeking out watching the scene.

Oh interesting, I never even thought of that possibility but yes, that makes sense. They could have lied about that too.

 

[HawthorneJuniper]

Hate to have to tell my husband I spent my day between Jen and watching a fan ,again today,

I tell my husband I’m just going hiking. Then I have to find a trail where I don’t lose connection. I find I hike farther & faster as I get aggravated.

But I actually take this very seriously. I’m a recently retired attorney & lifelong MA resident who has not been able to shut up about this travesty of a witch hunt. Can’t wait for the Affleck film. MA & it’s puritan past still haunts.

 

[Soulmagent]

I tell my husband I’m just going hiking. Then I have to find a trail where I don’t lose connection. I find I hike farther & faster as I get aggravated.

But I actually take this very seriously. I’m a recently retired attorney & lifelong MA resident who has not been able to shut up about this travesty of a witch hunt. Can’t wait for the Affleck film. MA & it’s puritan past still haunts.

It really makes a person angry and worried if it can happen to Karen without the evidence can happen to all of us or any of us and how many innocent people to we want to risk when crappy depts and county officials get away with it ? It is crazy.


My husband would know I was lying.
Thank you for the suggestion. He was disappointed today as well. He is happy I opted out of watching young thugs trial.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Weird how they all never call John by his name. Only that "guy". Cold and indifferent to their "friend".

The question is why? What did John do to them to cause such disrespect and then to buddy up to his mother?

 

[keek]

Sounds like how those 2 families have always dealt with Canton business.

So very confident that KR would go down either way and all about that. IMO

 

[SteveS]

....more than just location data, it's the high and low accuracy of the data with the high accuracy data being consistently closest to the flagpole where it was found...

That's a misrepresentation (whether intentional or not, I couldn't say) of what "high" and "low" indicated in the testimony.

It was NOT that one location - outside by the flagpole - was "higher in likeliness" than another (inside the house).

Instead, what was elicited was that certain places (for the phone to be) will have given a more precise location than others. If the phone had been outside by the flagpole, then the location result obtained would have been more likely to be accurate (although still not necessarily precisely accurate), and if the phone was inside (or had some other criteria), then the location result obtained would have been less accurate.

But that doesn't tell you whether the phone was actually outside or not (it's called circular reasoning to think that the condition is also the result). I would hope that the jurors would not have the same erroneous understanding of the testimony. But, for the TRUTH of the matter, the locator couldn't really say with specificity whether the phone was inside or outside, and thus can't tell us whether it's a low accuracy or a high accuracy finding that had been obtained.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Jackson's line of questioning is not effective.

Imo, he is wasting time. We want to see ADA Brennan (at least I do ) If you watch a lot of trials, you want to see great lawyering. ADA Brennan is masterful, articulate, commands the courtroom. The jurors are listening and paying attention when he is speaking.

Jackson is winning the case for the CW. Jurors still remember how often Jackson stated the other day in court I hit him, I hit him....

Gee... moo

It's my take that atleast 90% of those watching this trial would beg to differ.

 

[Luna20]

Are the cops that were at the scene going to testify? Specifically, the ones Jen was talking to at length in the video clips they showed today? I don’t think they were named.

She was very nonchalant about that specific officer. “Could have been a police, I can’t tell what is on ‘the’ jacket (not ‘his’ jacket), I don’t remember who it was that I was talking to.” The next photo cue was on the right side showing the person she was talking to was in a police uniform.

It’s ludicrous that she didn’t run inside to get manpower, both in form and function. Professionals trained in handling this stuff. A man larger than JO may have had more success in cpr.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Unlike AK who took the fifth, JMc did not. She has nothing to hide. She really should have taken the fifth, though. I suspect she wants to support John O'Keefe's memory and his family. moo


In addition, the defendant, refused to take the stand in trial one.

She has destroyed the CWs case almost singlehandedly and we still have a long way to go. I feel that the jurors have seen so many red flags in just her testimony that their heads are spinning. Moo

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

It does seem strange for a family to leave their front door unlocked when they all seemed to be able to sleep through screaming, crying, sirens and multiple cars and first responders driving and parking in front of their home. Particularly in the case that even their dog apparently slept through or did not respond to the chaos growing right outside on their lawn or may have been closed in one of the bedrooms with her owners anyway and thus couldn’t stop an intruder anyway. Wouldn’t they be worried about a potential break-in occurring as a potential robber walked right through their front door while they were still asleep thus unaware, unprepared and unable to respond?

I was under the impression from the first trial that Chloe was somewhat like a guard dog or a bit nervous and aggressive when around strangers or people entering the home. However, did any of the first responders or investigators ever see or hear from her during the times they were around the Albert’s home? Just curious because my dogs would usually bark and be right up against the front door or window when a lot of excitement or is near the front or back of our home, this allowing others to hear them.

I agree with what others have commented. It is interesting that JMc didn’t run into the house to at least grab supplies, scream for help from her brother, sister or nephew, raise the alarm that her friend was laying right on their front lawn while in desperate need of help or emergency first aid or just check in on her loved ones since none of them had come outside and maybe wondering why or pray that they too haven’t been harmed. Or at least maybe honk the horn of KR’s car to wake up her relatives or raise the alarm that something bad was going on and she needed their attention. To be fair though I can’t judge or place blame or shame on how someone reacts to a trauma or response after finding and witnessing the loss of a loved one. People of course can react in a variety of different and perhaps in the moment she froze or was only able to do or think or engage so much before she became overwhelmed or overcome and shut down as a response. JMO


MOO/my own speculation or thoughts

 

[Forest_Wood]

Who wants to bet JMc left the courtroom and immediately texted KerR, her chat group of MMc, NA and BA, Peg O'K, CA and JA, and who else am I missing. To keep them informed of the shock and the horraw of being subjected to such questioning! Oh, and to tell them how grand she was on the witness stand of course.

 

[lohrtabitha]

I want somebody with authority and power to take her off this case!! I know it won't happen, but am hoping this is brought up on appeal (if necessary).

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Maybe AJ and his team will pursue one of these avenues in this article. They already asked her to step down and she wouldn't. We can always dream can't we?

 

[lohrtabitha]

Goodness this is painful. Yes or No. It isn't THAT difficult to understand what this means.

I feel like when someone needs to elaborate on every single question asked.. Yes, but or explaining away something before they say yes or no.. then I do wonder why?

What she is doing is called Grandstanding but it is working against her.

 

[lohrtabitha]

JMc outstanding witness. moo

You mean for the defense, then yes.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Every thing you assert here depends on trusting what the CW says as the gospel truth. Meanwhile, almost every one of these points have serious issues:

-She was drunk - did you know there was NEVER a BAC test done on Karen? Her blood was taken at the hospital when she was admitted but IT WAS NEVER USED. The CW hired Nicholas Roberts to retroactively calculate her BAC based on how many drinks she reported and elimination rate. Is that not strange to you, when they could have proven EXACTLY how intoxicated she was?
-She was angry - and? If anger= guilt, half the country would have criminal charges.
-She accelerated in reverse - except the key cycles showed that that reverse most likely happened when the Lexus in Proctor’s possession. The data doesn’t match with alleged time of impact.
-She hit something hard enough to break a tail light - first, there’s video of her backing into John’s car which could explain the damage. Second, the taillight was handled by disc graves Trooper Spector - re: infamous ‘sallyport video’.
-The thing she hit was John - prove it. The ME couldn’t.
-He dies from that impact - except his head injuries are consistent with blunt force trauma, not a glancing blow from a taillight. Also, apple health data shows movement and attempted ambulation and as Whiffen testified, he could not prove John DIDNT go in the house.
-He never went inside - you can’t prove that. And typically in an investigation, if someone is found dead directly outside of a house they were supposed to attend a party at, the house is investigated.
-Dog bites - Honestly, I don’t even care about this. The reasonable doubt is there. And I could get into more strangeness with the possession of John’s shirt, who took the swabs, and who actually tested them, but I’ve said it all before upthread.

In short, it’s not as straightforward as you’re trying to present it to be.

I appreciate your insightful responses so much. After a long day of work, I'm too tired to respond to the long threads but you hit everything on the head and use the mere facts to do so.

 

[lohrtabitha]

She just can't answer a question. Ridiculous. If I was just coming into the case without knowing any of the people involved with this and saw jen's testimony, I would convict jen mcabe of murdering JOK!! She can't answer a simple question and it's been going on FOR DAYS!! She's guilty of something and trying her best to cover it. I have no doubt in my mind.

And when AJ tells her just yes or no Judge C steps in and says let her finish her explanation.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Yes. I know the routes and none of them are less than 6 minutes in no traffic conditions with no red light stops. Two of the three routes are a minimum of 7 minutes. See Google maps and yes, I've timed myself doing two of them.

She didn't know the roads, it was snowing, and she'd been drinking. I doubt she was bombing down any of these streets at top speed either way, but sure would be nice if LE had even bothered to check business and residential cameras.

And what the heck was that library camera nonsense all about? Sure we'll hear more about that soon too.

Thank you for clarifying and setting the record straight about the routes, timing and traffic conditions.

 

[MTW2011]

And when AJ tells her just yes or no Judge C steps in and says let her finish her explanation.

maybe it’s just me but every time she interjects and asks a question for the defense she sounds so exasperated with them (is it just me?)

I’ve wondered how that appears to jurors.

 

[keek]

maybe it’s just me but every time she interjects and asks a question for the defense she sounds so exasperated with them (is it just me?)

I’ve wondered how that appears to jurors.

Puts them off I would think, how can it not, that attitude from anyone in an important situation. Loud sighs, very exasperated, yes. IMO