MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #24 Retrial

[missy1974]

Seems like it’s the same shoe as yesterday (found at 34F). Where is the other shoe that was on JO’s foot when found in snow and probably discarded by medical staff at the hospital?

Well...
that ...
is ..
odd!

 

[Forest_Wood]

It really does rub me the wrong way with the excuse of ‘He was an officer,’ but they all refer to him as Mr. O’Keefe, not Officer O’Keefe. It reads to me that they’re using their ‘respect’ for him to cover for some gaps in their investigation.

I wonder if JOK being off-duty, drunk, carrying around open alcohol in a vehicle, insisting someone he knew would be drinking be his designated driver, and being found on another cop's lawn has anything to do with calling him Mister. But when it serves their purpose, these clowns refer to him as a cop.
MOO

 

[DropthePuck]

It really does rub me the wrong way with the excuse of ‘He was an officer,’ but they all refer to him as Mr. O’Keefe, not Officer O’Keefe. It reads to me that they’re using their ‘respect’ for him to cover for some gaps in their investigation.

I'm watching Emily Baker's trial coverage and she explained that it was essentially the court's ruling that he be referred to as Mr. O'Keefe and that all of the officers testifying wear civilian clothes and not their uniforms. I'll try to find a better explanation, since I forgot some of what she said. tl:dr The court said to call him Mr. O'Keefe.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Seems like it’s the same shoe as yesterday (found at 34F). Where is the other shoe that was on JO’s foot when found in snow and probably discarded by medical staff at the hospital?

I'd like to see both shoes side by side to compare/contrast the differences, especially the color. Being out in the snow for one day would never turn a worn shoe into looking like a sparkling white new shoe.

 

[shotgun09]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920488320926142721

 

[Silverstorm]

To me the spotless shoe indicates he was knocked out and stayed down due to injuries.

If you google KR and the results include a discussion as to what happened to JOK by the Canton locals.

 

[DustysMom]

it’s bugging me about why an ambulance wasn’t called. IF IN FACT, there was a physical altercation and JO accidentally fell back and hit his head, rendering him unconscious, why not call paramedics?
1) was it obvious that JO had no defensive wounds ?
2) those involved had drugs in their system and didn’t want to undergo blood test ?
3) whoever started the fight or threw the fatal blow would not hold up under the scrutiny of an investigation ?
4) they were all drunk and just made a poor choice in not calling for help
What else?

 

[DustysMom]

To me the spotless shoe indicates he was knocked out and stayed down due to injuries.

If you google KR and the results include a discussion as to what happened to JOK by the Canton locals.

But it looks like it just came out of the box?

 

[DustysMom]

I'd like to see both shoes side by side to compare/contrast the differences, especially the color. Being out in the snow for one day would never turn a worn shoe into looking like a sparkling white new shoe.

Thank you - yes!

 

[Izzylizzy]

I wonder if JOK being off-duty, drunk, carrying around open alcohol in a vehicle, insisting someone he knew would be drinking be his designated driver, and being found on another cop's lawn has anything to do with calling him Mister. But when it serves their purpose, these clowns refer to him as a cop.
MOO

Was JOK carrying his official firearm?
Since all of these officers come across as laws don't apply to them I've been curious if the off-duty pack of officers were out drinking for hours and all were armed?
imo

imo

 

[sunshineray]

I recall that, and it was after a sidebar, they were foundational questions. I would take a BIG guess that after an objection, the judge made him ask the ridiculous question to set the foundation for the following questions about Johns various wounds.
JMO

Idk, I doubt the judge would have made him ask that question, but that's just MO.

 

[Izzylizzy]

To me the spotless shoe indicates he was knocked out and stayed down due to injuries.

If you google KR and the results include a discussion as to what happened to JOK by the Canton locals.

I gather that JOL was wearing them throughout the evening leading up to his death?
Was he also wearing them during that day too?
There's no way a white sole looks pristine like that no matter how hard the person wearing newish white sneakers out in winter tries to keep them clean.
imo

 

[Leilei]

To me the spotless shoe indicates he was knocked out and stayed down due to injuries.

If you google KR and the results include a discussion as to what happened to JOK by the Canton locals.

Going down the local rabbithole today, and it's pretty enlightening.
IMO

 

[STLBlues]

Was JOK carrying his official firearm?
Since all of these officers come across as laws don't apply to them I've been curious if the off-duty pack of officers were out drinking for hours and all were armed?
imo

imo

I don't know how it works in Boston/Canton but, I have a family member who is a Police Officer for St. Louis County, MO and he is required to carry his firearm, badge and identification when off-duty.

 

[Silverstorm]

Any chance JOK shoes replaced with a brand new pair? KR would know if thats what he was wearing. I agree it looks too new to be wearing in our weather to be so clean.

 

[Leilei]

Why are the shoelaces untied?
ETA: Scene photos would have been nice so that we could see if his sock was completely on or halfway off. I would imagine that the sock wouldn't be on all the way if he was "knocked out of his shoe".
IMO.

 

[Derph]

This whole charade with the " pristine " handling of the evidence is such a joke. Look at that freaking bag?? It looks like it was used by a homeless person to carry around their stuff for a couple of months. It's been opened more time than jen mcabe's mouth when she made 200 phone calls in 2 days!

And what's with the clothes mounted in glass or plastic? It's all scrunched up. They just made it harder for the jury to look at the evidence themselves. More shenanigans by CW in my opinion!

 

[Izzylizzy]

I don't know how it works in Boston/Canton but, I have a family member who is a Police Officer for St. Louis County, MO and he is required to carry his firearm, badge and identification when off-duty.

Thanks.
Does that rule change when they are out and about in bars drinking or they're allowed to be intoxicated and armed in public?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Trooper Bukhenik said earlier: ‘The reason why we pair up is... people could get fired or retire and no longer be able to testify or provide their resource in future".

I have a feeling the CW won’t be calling Proctor…

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I'm watching Emily Baker's trial coverage and she explained that it was essentially the court's ruling that he be referred to as Mr. O'Keefe and that all of the officers testifying wear civilian clothes and not their uniforms. I'll try to find a better explanation, since I forgot some of what she said. tl:dr The court said to call him Mr. O'Keefe.

Thanks! I hadn’t heard that, but it does make sense.