MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

[lohrtabitha]

But a feeling with a descriptive memory attached can be. MO

This article from psychology today begs to differ with you and no offense but I'm going with the licensed professionals on this.

Feelings Aren’t Facts

Emotions are at the core of our motivation: They are our muses and they are why we continue on with life even in the face of disappointment or disaster.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[lohrtabitha]

This pyschology today article i posted above, addresses KRs emotional state spot on. It says, :
Upon occasion, every now and then, some people get a feeling that isn’t real. They may think that it’s real, it may feel very real, and they may truly believe it’s real, but it’s just a feeling. It is wise to remember that, as important as emotions are, feelings aren’t facts.

Many things may produce an emotional response. Some are in the moment, others are from our past, and many people get destabilized worrying about the uncertain future. Still other emotions may be a response to mere fantasies, lies we tell ourselves that make us needlessly unhappy. They may also be a result of misunderstandings.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

IMO I believe Karen might have been in a blackout at some point that night. A person can be walking and talking and driving a car like normal during a blackout, yet due to how a blackout affects memory, a person cannot get those memories back since they were never stored. I don't believe even Karen knows what occurred that night unfortunately and I think her asking, "Did I hit him, could I have hit him" might be a reflection of her simply not remembering what happened. I could also see her wondering if she might have clipped him as he came back to the vehicle without her realizing he had even returned. Night was dark, snow was falling, windows were closed, music was on, dome light was on, mind was occupied if he's lushing on some other girl ... and the next morning she's trying to figure it all out.
MOO

I follow an attorney who is trained in statement analysis. He analyzed Karen’s interview (I think it was one of her Dateline interviews?) and said he believes at some points she must have been blacked out because she seems to be unsure of what happened.

So in that case, we should turn to physical evidence.. you know, like John’s body showing evidence of being hit by a car…

MOO

 

[lohrtabitha]

As the law states, murder 2 in Massachusetts doesn't require that she hit him intentionally or wanted to cause him any harm.

Her only proven intent must be to reverse the car. Which I believe they will show by how the car data shows she put her foot down for approx 70 feet. JMO

Hypothetically, if I went outside after an argument and started shooting a gun randomly, knowing that could kill a person, and a passing stranger got hit and killed, it's murder 2 without me intending to kill

 

[missy1974]

Starting a Monday morning with Lally andddddd DNA testimony...

Poor jurors lol

Should be quick testimony... cross will be about how much wasn't tested or those "unknown persons" they will point out that the lab did not have certain persons DNA profiles. JMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

As the law states, murder 2 in Massachusetts doesn't require that she hit him intentionally or wanted to cause him any harm.

Her only proven intent must be to reverse the car. Which I believe they will show by how the car data shows she put her foot down for approx 70 feet. JMO

Hypothetically, if I went outside after an argument and started shooting a gun randomly, knowing that could kill a person, and a passing stranger got hit and killed, it's murder 2 without me intending to kill them. IMO

Event data recorders are not 100% reliable. They have been known to misread speed. Perhaps ARRCA will testify to this.

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[PamCake]

With all the confusion she was experiencing, including wondering about snow plows, I'm still wondering if she might have backed into Higgins' jeep/plow when leaving no. 34. If so, my theory would be that this caused some minimal tail light damage ( imo Proctor planted additional pieces after tampering with the tail light at Sally Port. Jmo the state of the tail light at 5.07am and the state of it at the Sally Port in coming days as photographed are not the same).

What KR says in Body in the Snow, or the other documentary, is not evidence that proves anything imo. I already know that the victim's body does not lie and neither do the natural laws of physics. JO's injuries cannot have been caused by a vehicle impact.jmo. The arm wounds are not congruent. Even without the expected evidence to come from qualified animal attack experts, many can already see that a tail light was not involved. Putting aside the impossible symmetry of the wounds, there is no way imo that his arm would not have been fractured and bruised. Jmo

Ebm, clarity.

I'm not sure Higgin's Jeep was there at the time. In fact, do we really know when he left?

 

[jepop]

I follow someone who analyzes language for truth/lies. He analyzed Karen’s interview and said he believes at some points she must have been blacked out because she seems to be unsure of what happened.

So in that case, we should turn to physical evidence.. you know, like John’s body showing evidence of being hit by a car…

MOO

Yes, and I'm remaining optimistic that this jury will do their job attentively and with an unambiguous understanding of their instructions. I believe the defense will spend some time in closing educating them on reasonable doubt. I don't have much faith that the judge's delivery of instructions will have sufficient impact, given her attitude and bored monotone. The defense will have to step up and fill the vacuum.Jmo

 

[Maat99]

Starting a Monday morning with Lally andddddd DNA testimony...

Poor jurors lol

Should be quick testimony... cross will be about how much wasn't tested or those "unknown persons" they will point out that the lab did not have certain persons DNA profiles. JMO

You aren’t excited to hear definitive bombshell evidence that they found JOKs dna on JOK?

 

[missy1974]

Starting a Monday morning with Lally andddddd DNA testimony...

Poor jurors lol

Should be quick testimony... cross will be about how much wasn't tested or those "unknown persons" they will point out that the lab did not have certain persons DNA profiles. JMO

Well.. that went as expected.

lol

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Nick Bradford is now up on cross. AJ says just a couple quick questions.

AJ is asking about the sample taken from Proctor. It was quantified as 1 in 76,000 times more likely to three be unknown unrelated individuals versus Proctor and two unknown unrelated individuals - a relative likelihood.

AJ points out that other probabilities are more statistically likely - for example, some of the results Bradford discussed are in the nonillions, a number followed by 30 zeroes.

AJ states that Proctor cannot say to be excluded, only strong support for exclusion. Bradford agrees.

Bradford was not asked to compare known samples from Higgins, Brian Albert, Kevin Albert, or ‘FORMER’ Chief Berkowitz. (AJ made damn sure to get that ‘former’ in).

That’s all for cross. No redirect.

 

[jepop]

I'm not sure Higgin's Jeep was there at the time. In fact, do we really know when he left?

He was at CPD by 1.30ish. No, not sure when he left no. 34 but after 12.30am. Others may be more on top of the details via testimony. Testimony does place him and the jeep with plow there. The CPD 1.30amish video shows he was driving the Jeep when he arrived.

The question is really, where abouts was he was parked. Jmo, not in front/ near the letter box despite JMc's claims (Ryan Nagel and co. testimony conflicts). Moo more likely across the road or perhaps infront of of no. 32 ( next neighbour up towards Chapman). I hope the defense bring him in, whatever it may be worth when he will probably say 'I don't recall'. Jmo

 

[mzmarymac]

The screen shot of the time stamped text message seems reliable. JMOO

The screen shot is a complete fake, IMO. If you look at the format of the date on the screenshot, it is NOT the same as a normal screen shot. Just saying.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Another DNA analyst up - Karl Miyasako. He works at the Bode lab.

 

[ShadyLady]

They also said the dome light was on and when asked if they could see if the passenger door was open, they said they couldn't see whether it was or not. JO theoretically could have been standing right there on the passenger side of the SUV without being seen. MO

OR if JO did go in the house (hard to tell because KR said both, first at LE interview at her parent's house, she didn't see him go into the house and then after her arrest, she did see him go inside) like KR said in her documentary, she was extremely angry at how long he was taking inside to come out to tell her what was up. Being so angry and drunk, she could have waited until she saw him come out to throw her fit with an SUV...so he got the full effect of just how put out she was and how dramatically she could leave him stranded in a snow storm. I don't believe she hit him intentionally (the 2nd degree murder charge is not appropriate, IMO) but I think she did in fact hit him. It's possible maybe more than once. AJMO

I don't know how I should link the documentary, "A Body in the Snow: The Trial of Karen Read" so I'll just put what streaming service has it in my neck of the woods.

Watch A Body in the Snow: The Trial of Karen Read | Max

Watch A Body in the Snow: The Trial of Karen Read on Max. Plans start at $9.99/month. This exclusive behind-the-scenes docuseries tells the story of Karen Read, who is on trial for the murder of her boyfriend, Boston police officer John O'Keefe. Read maintains her innocence and argues she's the...

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Bottomline....there is NO WAY human skin can shatter Lexus carbon tail lights. NO WAY, imo.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I'm not sure Higgin's Jeep was there at the time. In fact, do we really know when he left?

No we still do not know when he left!
BA said BH left after 01:00 and closer to 01:30 AM IIRC.
JMc said BH left closer to 01:00 and that she saw his jeep at the mailbox at the same time KR's SUV was parked in front.
BH himself stated between 12:30 and 01:00, and he also stated he didn't stay long because they had no whiskey. He also said his jeep was parked at the mailbox.
It's also proven he was at CPS by 01:30.
So, if his jeep was not there as testified by RN and friends, was he already gone when JOK arrived or was he parked somewhere else?
If his jeep was there like JMc testified to, why didn't RN and friends see it since they testified there was no vehicle between them and Karen's car, and they were parked at the driveway.
It's yet another mystery in this case.
MOO

 

[BUF]

Is this going to be a morning of dna witnesses, one after another?

 

[ShadyLady]

No we still do not know when he left!
BA said BH left after 01:00 and closer to 01:30 AM IIRC.
JMc said BH left closer to 01:00 and that she saw his jeep at the mailbox at the same time KR's SUV was parked there.
BH himself stated between 12:30 and 01:00, and he also stated he didn't stay long because they had no whiskey. He also said his jeep was parked at the mailbox.
It's also proven he was at CPS by 01:30.
So, if his jeep was not there as testified by RN and friends, was he already gone when JOK arrived or was he parked somewhere else?
If his jeep was there like JMc testified to, why didn't RN and friends see it since they testified there was no vehicle between them and Karen's car, and they were parked at the driveway.
It's yet another mystery in this case.
MOO

He walked in with BA, he would have told BH were to park. NOT on the road but to the right of the cars in the driveway. Cars could be three across....IMO.

 

[missy1974]

The screen shot is a complete fake, IMO. If you look at the format of the date on the screenshot, it is NOT the same as a normal screen shot. Just saying.

they didn't show us a screenshot ... do you have a link?

 

[OldCop]

Wow. Thx for this! I’ve been wondering what dog bites look like.

Thanks. Some can be much, much worse. I was just really struck how much this particular photo so closely resembled JOK’s injuries.