MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

[shotgun09]

Mr Burgess up next !
Lets get ready to RUMBLE !!!!

 

[missy1974]

uhmmm thought Brennan said the Aperture witnesses would be later this week or next week?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

uhmmm thought Brennan said the Aperture witnesses would be later this week or next week?

Gotta get out in front of Alessi being able to throughly read + destroy Burgess’ new report… MOO

 

[mzmarymac]

The screenshot we were discussing was a text message from Julie Nagel to her brother Ryan Nagel. Jen McCabe was asked about it during her testimony, but we never saw a picture of it.

I can't find THAT screenshot anywhere.

The screenshot was found on Jen McCabe's phone. She asked Julie for it so she could add it to her "timeline". It's in her testimony.

I know nothing about Colin and Allie's screenshots lol or what they are supposed to say

Oh OK I apologize, I misunderstood. I have no idea about the screenshots you are talking about. (doh!) The Colin/Screenshots were shown in court to show how Colin was picked up way earlier (like 12:10) than when everyone else got to the house. To me (and many others) they seemed a bit wonky.

 

[waldojabba]

uhmmm thought Brennan said the Aperture witnesses would be later this week or next week?

The guy later this week or early next week is Dr Welcher I believe - he has a higher title in Aperture than Shannon I believe
JMO

 

[jepop]

uhmmm thought Brennan said the Aperture witnesses would be later this week or next week?

Typical. Is this meant to be the kind of surprise move that seeded his oddly non- apt reputation as a 'masterful' practitioner? Yeah, yeah, it's within the rules and all that. Moo

 

[missy1974]

Oh OK I apologize, I misunderstood. I have no idea about the screenshots you are talking about. (doh!) The Colin/Screenshots were shown in court to show how Colin was picked up way earlier (like 12:10) than when everyone else got to the house. To me (and many others) they seemed a bit wonky.

Thanks! I wanted to see the Julie/Ryan one if it existed lol

Colin and Allie have not been called in this trial.. yet.

 

[jepop]

Gotta get out in front of Alessi being able to throughly read + destroy Burgess’ new report… MOO

One of Brennan's delightfully underhand 'master strokes'. He forgets he is meant to be prosecuting in good faith, but fair enough this isn't the first time.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Shannon burgess is up with his new report.

Burgess just become involved in the case in October 2024.

 

[mzmarymac]

I asked this question last night and wanted to post again, as I haven't gotten a response and was hoping more people will see it this morning:

Question: Does anyone know why we don't see details from Karen's phone (or Apple Watch if she had one on?) but we see every single detail of JOKs and JMs movements? I'm just curious because wouldn't be able to definitely find out KRs location data while JOKs phone was registering footsteps, etc...?

 

[Forest_Wood]

AJ is up. Discussing the differences of autosomal and mitochondrial DNA. As we know, autosomal DNA is a mixture of the father and mothers, and mitochondrial DNA is only inherited from the mother.

So John shares his mitochondrial DNA with his mother and brother. John’s niece and nephew would also share his mitochondrial DNA, because they’re his sisters children (who likely were frequently in Karen’s car). Mr. Miyasako agrees.

AJ is pointing out that it was not determined by KM that the hair analyzed certainly came from John O’Keefe. KM agrees it can only determine maternal lineage.

Sidebar when AJ asks KM if he is telling the jury that the hair came from John.

If his brother went up to that bumper to check out the taillight damage before Karen got back to JOK's house on Jan 29, it could have even dropped from Paul's head there! Remember that they were likely all told from Kerry and JMc that Karen had damage to her taillight. And it was still parked at JOKs house before she went to pick it up after the hospital. Everyone was already at JOKs home when she arrived. I could see them all going up to inspect the damage of her car. AJ has made it clear it could be either of the two children, the mother or the brother, in addition to being JOK's so it could be from any of 5 people.

 

[ShadyLady]

AJ is strongly suggesting that the hair could be from John’s nephew. Peggy is frowning and shaking her head.

Onto when the hair got to the car. KM, predictably, cannot say anything about when and where the hair became attached to Karen’s Lexus.

So this expert cannot say if the hair came from John O’Keefe. The hair is equally possible to be any maternal relatives (at least from KM’s mitochondrial analysis).

Peggy really wants Karen to be prosecuted. I don't understand why she is not open to any other cause of death.

 

[ShadyLady]

The screenshot we were discussing was a text message from Julie Nagel to her brother Ryan Nagel. Jen McCabe was asked about it during her testimony, but we never saw a picture of it.

I can't find THAT screenshot anywhere.

The screenshot was found on Jen McCabe's phone. She asked Julie for it so she could add it to her "timeline". It's in her testimony.

I know nothing about Colin and Allie's screenshots lol or what they are supposed to say

And she knew, timestamps were the MOST important thing to frame Karen, imo.

 

[nodamselindistress]

I asked this question last night and wanted to post again, as I haven't gotten a response and was hoping more people will see it this morning:

Question: Does anyone know why we don't see details from Karen's phone (or Apple Watch if she had one on?) but we see every single detail of JOKs and JMs movements? I'm just curious because wouldn't be able to definitely find out KRs location data while JOKs phone was registering footsteps, etc...?

KR location data services was off - from 1st trial

 

[mzmarymac]

KR location data services was off - from 1st trial

Thank you so much!!! I knew there had to be a logical explanation.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Did Brennan ask Burgess about his degree and I missed it? I heard questions about where he worked, taught, and papers he’s published but no degree history. Although tbf I could have missed it

 

[Forest_Wood]

This Burgess guy is kind of vague in his do-over scientific study. He made a capital B instead of a small b, which led him to a different conclusion...

 

[waldojabba]

Did Brennan ask Burgess about his degree and I missed it? I heard questions about where he worked, taught, and papers he’s published but no degree history. Although tbf I could have missed it

He did not ask

 

[Angelwatch]

Did Brennan ask Burgess about his degree and I missed it? I heard questions about where he worked, taught, and papers he’s published but no degree history. Although tbf I could have missed it

He has a general studies degree. They may be trying to hide that since it’s unimpressive.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Did Brennan ask Burgess about his degree and I missed it? I heard questions about where he worked, taught, and papers he’s published but no degree history. Although tbf I could have missed it

I guess I got my answer…

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924473863846437083