MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

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  • #361
Why on God's earth is this woman on trial for the second time? I say the judge would dismiss the trial, immediately.
 
  • #362
Agree - I am looking forward to hearing the rest of the P's case and then moving on to the D's witnesses.
The judge said we are on schedule - Does anyone remember when she epected this to go to the jury?
Appreciate it
I am as well, more possible cover up info found that some did not expect and def questions to BH at the lied about CPD, that night. It never ends though, lots of witnesses and time to 'interview' is needed. IMO
 
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OK, still watching BH again. He did have access to couple other cars, surveillance vehicles, etc. So not so unusual actions.

But, still wondering why no one saw his car parked by mail box, and odd butt-dials that night.

And KA and BA flew to NY but drove back with BH.
 
  • #365
Scrapes would not cause holes punched in sweatshirt. IMO.

And still have not heard an explanation as to why John was bleeding from his mouth. He had bled a lot right? But why the mouth, did he have internal injuries, too?
The ME said he had hemorrhaging once she opened his skull.
Would this cause bleeding from the mouth?
 
  • #366

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I feel like I'm new to the case this trial, so I apologize if I start something that you all have gone over and over already ;)

I did watch it last year... but I had hurt my back and was on some good drugs, so it is a blur LOL I try my best to go look for the answers to some of my questions, and I have been watching all of this trial. When I have time, I have gone back to testimony in the 1st trial. I always think its good to watch the trials for the answers (not everyone has the time or the will to do that), to hear what the jurors hear, it helps to understand if they convict or not in the end. JMO
 
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  • #367
Plus a large dog was resident there and the deceased had unexplained animal attack like wounds on his right arm. There's another reason for a search and for a warrant, if anyone had had even a modicum of minimal competency to make some basic enquiries about those wounds. An utter 🤬🤬🤬🤬 show if an investigation from the get go. Jmo.
We all know why now though, it all came out, why yes, proctor is personal friends with the involved. Hero big shot came first though, not his profession. Where is he now? 'nuff said. imo
 
  • #368
We all know why now though, it all came out, why yes, proctor is personal friends with the involved. Hero big shot came first though, not his profession. Where is he now? 'nuff said. imo
Yep, Proctor didn't bother, nothing to see here "he's a Boston cop too".
 
  • #369
Ridiculing surgical procedures a PRESUMED INNOCENT woman has gone through doesn't speak to me as humor. Especially describing them in a crass and crude manner as proctor did. He is just filthy and an assault to the senses of anyone with a modicum of humanity. JMOO
SO sadly, it takes all kinds as they say, best to avoid for sure, no need. IMO
 
  • #370
Dead man on lawn where I am sure EVENTUALLY Jen Mc said that he was supposed to be coming in to their party, but 'did not'. PROBABLE CAUSE to any LE one would think, but it was THAT particular group and dept. It really is beyond belief to LE that I also know, standard procedure. IMO.
And we heard what the ME said in her testimony. Her first report or info about his death was that there was a party.. and altercation...

If that is not probable cause, I don't know what is. JMO
 
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We all know why now though, it all came out, why yes, proctor is personal friends with the involved. Hero big shot came first though, not his profession. Where is he now? 'nuff said. imo
I bet Proctor is upset that nothing of significance happened to Kevin Albert for his conduct the same day that Proctor chose to drink and drive his police vehicle. KA got a slap on the wrist for his role in that.
 
  • #372
First, she was not “running” around.

Second, her stating, “I hit him” is hearsay. There is no documentation (in any reports) from first responders claiming she stated that.

Third, you have a dead/near death officer on a lawn. Why would the house not be searched? So, all the LEOs I know are wrong in stating the house should have been searched? Is that your opinion that there’s no lawful reason to search the house? Because you stated it as fact, not an opinion in your post.
She was running around - it’s on dashboard video and it was played for the jury.

Karen doesn’t dispute she said it, she only disputes the number of times she said it.
That clip was played for the jury.

IMO
 
  • #373
It happens lol I think some have been posting since last year or the beginning. Some don't watch the trial, their minds are made up either way anyway, and nothing you or anyone says will change it. JMO Although it is hard, sometimes scrolling past is the best ;)

I feel like I'm new to the case this trial, so I apologize if I start something that you all have gone over and over already ;)

I did watch it last year... but I had hurt my back and was on some good drugs, so it is a blur LOL I try my best to go look for the answers to some of my questions, and I have been watching all of this trial. When I have time, I have gone back to testimony in the 1st trial. I always think its good to watch the trials for the answers (not everyone has the time or the will to do that), to hear what the jurors hear, it helps to understand if they convict or not in the end. JMO
You are always intelligently and clearly informed. That is because you do what you do. IMO
 
  • #374
And we heard what the ME said in her testimony. Her first report or info about his death was that there was a party.. and altercation...

If that is not probable cause, I don't know what is. JMO
That was an incredible admission by the ME! Brennan couldn't object fast enough!
So even the ME knew there was a party that night, and that John was walking toward the party, and had an altercation, and yet LE and CW has never ever mentioned that at trial. I hope the jury heard her!
 
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BTW.....I am listening to BH again. KEVIN ALBERT did drive down to New York with BH in Brian's dodge Rambler.
BH drove back in his official Dodge Ram truck from NYC with BA,KA, and Hernandez.
He testified that when they returned from NYC he went to Canton Police Station switched vehicles to his Jeep because he was going out drinking.
@ 28: 00

 
  • #377
BH drove back in his official Dodge Ram truck from NYC with BA,KA, and Hernandez.
He testified that when they returned from NYC he went to Canton Police Station switched vehicles to his Jeep because he was going out drinking.
@ 28: 00

That's what he said on the stand. However, Brian Albert testified Higgins dropped him off at the satellite police station where BA had left his police issued Ford Edge, and then BH went for a sandwich somewhere and BA met him there and they both drank. At that time, BH still had his work vehicle I believe. Then BA invited BH to the Waterfall where BA was meeting his wife and the rest of them. I believe it was at this time that BH took his work vehicle back to the CPS. That's my understanding of it based on the timeline as BA described it.
MOO.
 
  • #378
BH drove back in his official Dodge Ram truck from NYC with BA,KA, and Hernandez.
He testified that when they returned from NYC he went to Canton Police Station switched vehicles to his Jeep because he was going out drinking.
@ 28: 00

Yes, had to correct myself. They did not drive to NY with BH, but he drove them back. So much detail in this case, how do jurors remember everything!!
 
  • #379
BH drove back in his official Dodge Ram truck from NYC with BA,KA, and Hernandez.
He testified that when they returned from NYC he went to Canton Police Station switched vehicles to his Jeep because he was going out drinking.
@ 28: 00

At what point did KA get dropped off!
 
  • #380
You are always intelligently and clearly informed. That is because you do what you do. IMO

Thanks! I don't always feel it haha I am really trying to stay away from all the outside noise. I don't care about the documentaries or news clips/stories. I haven't even gone completely down the Alberts/McCabe/party goers hole lol

We have more then enough information in the testimony to discuss and go over. This is a "Trial" thread afterall ;)

Whoever keeps posting the LYK videos, thank you!!!! (sorry I can't remember who it is lol) I really enjoy listening to him at the end of the day as he goes through the testimony and gives his take.
 
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