MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

[waldojabba]

Can Karen Read’s defense call key witnesses prosecutors may not? Yes, but there’s a catch

The jury in Karen Read's retrial may never hear from the lead investigator into her boyfriend's death.

www.masslive.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

Jen McCabe made this comment all flustered when she was on the stand. The car repair guy was at John’s house on, I believe, January 30th. So is it normal for a grieving family to be so concerned about the condition of his vehicle 40 or so hours after his death? Or, did they want to make it seem like Karen didn’t hit his car not knowing there was video proof? MOO

Was "the car repair man" ever identified?

 

[Malleeboy]

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I would like someone to drive and check how many cameras were allow the route. Many of the houses appear close to the road.

 

[keek]

Was "the car repair man" ever identified?

Extremely ODD. There had to be a thought out reason but that's a lot of detailed thinking, but. IMO

 

[shotgun09]

This post was from yesterdays 'x' from Sue O'Connell ( NBC) who has been commenting on the courtroom. Regarding the jurors....

"Regarding this morning’s statement to the jury:While this is a very stoic jury with the majority taking consistent notes, there have been two episodes of giggling during a sidebar by the same three jurors. A court officer stood in front of them last time it happened. One juror has what could be described as “resting smirk face”, and although he occasionally has a reaction, it doesn’t appear to me to be disruptive or on purpose. There is always a court officer stationed behind the jurors, and at least 4, often 6, more stationed around the courtroom. "

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923379874883924025

 

[keek]

Extremely ODD. There had to be a thought out reason but that's a lot of detailed thinking, but. IMO

But then again, in JMC's listing of the people at JOK's, maybe she just meant his mechanic who introduced himself as that. NOTHING that comes out of her mouth is sincere though and again, too much detail and head shaking and looking around and fooling with her hair. I googled that question regarding the repairman at JOK's. vid came up. IMO

 

[missy1974]

So Karen Read was seen in the emergency room for a mental health crisis?

She was. And I decided to go watch the ER docs testimony from the 1st trial. Keeping in mind that the ME said something about the initial report that he was at a party and there was an altercation... I was thinking, oh maybe that info did come from KR. But...

On direct, he said that he was 'involved' in KR's treatment.

In cross, he doesn't remember her, does not recall writing the note, didn't order the blood test, doesn't know who did. Weird. Sounds like she was only treated by the Nurse Practitioner, but he may have signed the orders/reports (not sure what the rules are there, may have needed a Dr's sign off?)

Interesting.

 

[missy1974]

This post was from yesterdays 'x' from Sue O'Connell ( NBC) who has been commenting on the courtroom. Regarding the jurors....

"Regarding this morning’s statement to the jury:While this is a very stoic jury with the majority taking consistent notes, there have been two episodes of giggling during a sidebar by the same three jurors. A court officer stood in front of them last time it happened. One juror has what could be described as “resting smirk face”, and although he occasionally has a reaction, it doesn’t appear to me to be disruptive or on purpose. There is always a court officer stationed behind the jurors, and at least 4, often 6, more stationed around the courtroom. "

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923379874883924025

I had read that too, but .. the judge said no mumbling or reactions so the others can hear what is being said. If it was just when they are at sidebar, it wouldn't be an issue, they aren't supposed to hear those anyway.

Other reporters and I thought even Sue (maybe not) has commented about them laughing during testimony. Re: red solo cups, when YB wouldn't answer the "who is they?" when he was avoiding saying Proctor, things like that. I will say JMO because I am not going to hunt them down right now

 

[HarmonyE.]

I would like someone to drive and check how many cameras were allow the route. Many of the houses appear close to the road.

As it's been nearly 3 1/2 years, there wouldn't be much point now.

Would have been nice if LE had bothered to check in the first 30 days though.

 

[keek]

I had read that too, but .. the judge said no mumbling or reactions so the others can hear what is being said. If it was just when they are at sidebar, it wouldn't be an issue, they aren't supposed to hear those anyway.
Other reporters and I thought even Sue (maybe not) has commented about them laughing during testimony. Re: red solo cups, when YB wouldn't answer the "who is they?" when he was avoiding saying Proctor, things like that. I will say JMO because I am not going to hunt them down right now

On Friday when he was 'in the face of the Med EX trying to get her to answer what he wanted to hear and she would not. I think maybe I would of NERVOUSLY laughed but watching it from home, it was ludicrous behavior and I was just ..watching him astounded. IMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

Hopefully Judge Cannone’s obvious bias is going to backfire on her in a major way: CW loses and Cannone has destroyed her own credibility and reputation for nothing.

The consensus from the majority of jurors is that they really liked their judge so seeing a crack this early in the trial is quite telling.
imo

 

[Soulmagent]

I keep going over the 911 call ,where Jen acts like she does not know who the man is on the lawn.
I mean that has got to seem crazy to anyone, as they were just driving to look for him.

A another issue is that when Jen says she told Matt that John didnt come home and she was going to BA's , Matt told her not to go there, she gives an excuses about the taillight ,weather, etc..but it falls short of making logic work. And she ends up over there anyway. It only seemly to delay her arrival there by an hour. Also slowing Karen down. Why did Matt say not to go there ,when it should have been the first place anyone should have looked.?
She cant just be that much of a busy body for no reason.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Canton firefighter and paramedic Daniel Whitley testified Wednesday that first responders received orders to take Read to the hospital for a mental health evaluation after she discovered her boyfriend’s body.

He testified that Read was “pretty upset” and crying, though her emotions fluctuated as they traveled to the hospital.

“She kept asking if there was any chance her husband [sic] could be alive, even sitting outside in the snow with no coat on for many hours,” Whitley recalled. He said firefighters tried to “give her hope” by telling her about hypothermia cases where patients miraculously survived with no deficits.

‘Sick of always arguing and fighting’: Trooper reads heated texts between Karen Read and John O’Keefe

The Karen Read murder trial entered its third day of testimony Thursday, with more witnesses taking the stand.

www.boston.com

Thank you. I was aware she was sent to the hospital under a Section 12.

However, I didn't realize she would have been seen in the emergency room for a mental health assessment. I expected that assessment would have been performed in a different area/department.

I re-watched Dr Justin Rice's testimony. Aside from him answering questions a bit weird on the stand, he said he remembered seeing JOK in emergency that morning. He did not recall seeing KR or writing his report for her. He gave limited testimony about her. He did say it would be hard to perform a mental health assessment when a person is under the influence of alcohol and they did blood tests, with her blood measuring 93 mg/dL.

After watching his testimony, I don't think it would have been him who told the ME about John being in a altercation, since he didn't seem to know much.

But if Karen did tell someone in the emergency room that John walked toward the house, and got into an altercation, it shows she believed this right from the beginning. It's so interesting to me that the ME had that info!

MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

She was. And I decided to go watch the ER docs testimony from the 1st trial. Keeping in mind that the ME said something about the initial report that he was at a party and there was an altercation... I was thinking, oh maybe that info did come from KR. But...

On direct, he said that he was 'involved' in KR's treatment.

In cross, he doesn't remember her, does not recall writing the note, didn't order the blood test, doesn't know who did. Weird. Sounds like she was only treated by the Nurse Practitioner, but he may have signed the orders/reports (not sure what the rules are there, may have needed a Dr's sign off?)

Interesting.

You beat me to it! LOL. I just posted pretty much the same thing as you! We were drafting our conclusions at the same time.

 

[missy1974]

You beat me to it! LOL. I just posted pretty much the same thing as you! We were drafting our conclusions at the same time.

great minds think alike!

It was odd testimony from him, I wonder if he will be back. After listening to it, I did remember him from the 1st trial. But .. it's a blur lol

 

[Warwick7]

Something I missed in Friday's testimony. As I remember Karen and Kerry did cpr on JO. But they didn't find any female dna on JO, on his clothing or mouth...
Really?? Why?

 

[Hazelnutty]

She is main stream media nbc boston so here you go

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923361981194453112

Thank you !

 

[Warwick7]

Soooo MSP crime lab detected dna from 5 males on JO’S shoe but didn’t even try to identify who’s dna it was.
Same with his clothes...

 

[Snoods]

Mark’s takes on this trial have been fantastic. This isn’t just a minor tweak. Its a full on pivot in the middle of trial that leaves the defense totally blindsided. They have built their entire cross-examinations and strategy around the Commonwealth’s previously sworn timeline. You can’t retroactively alter a case midstream just because your original theory is falling apart in real time…

What makes it even more telling is Aperture’s admission that they didn’t independently revise their findings - they changed their report to sync with Whiffen. That’s not science.

And like Mark says, the Commonwealth knew they were going to blindside the defense and waited until halfway through trial to spring it. That’s prejudicial as hell. If the defense wants a mistrial, it’s only because a fair trial is being made impossible by the CW. MOO.

How is this issue with expert witnesses not a never ending circle?

Shouldn't there be an eventual end to it? Otherwise, CW gets to do more research, then that goes to the Defense, then ARRCA...

And now the whole CW change in theory that clock times are inaccurate even though CW expert witness have testified to them & Defense has used that info in their entire case strategy?

How is any of this remedied? Where is Judge C’s shaky, breathy, mad voice with GRAVE CONCERN with the CW?

 

[jepop]

Thank you. Maybe I read too many detective books, but I’m thinking that any good LE investigator would have made that trip several times, particularly at 12:30am, to test it against the overall timeline.

Well yes, a good LE investigator may have, but a bias LE investigator who fears the minimal time for the trip will not match the prosecution narrative probably wouldn't. Jmo