MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #28 Retrial

[Angelwatch]

Small correction. He's taken 17 years to not get a degree.

Dude even lied about what that degree would be called. If he'd actually graduated.

17 years down the drain after today. LOL. Dude needs some ethics classes at college.

 

[Forest_Wood]

People have said that Alessi is brilliant and I could see that in action today. Smooth. Fluid. Precise.
Someone also said Brennan is brilliant and I have not seen that to date. Dull. Stunted. Inaccurate.
I think Brennan wanted this role as Special Prosecutor so he could learn from the best!

 

[Forest_Wood]

Could somebody explain to me the issue with Burgess having talked to Tully a handful of times? I can't remember Tully's role. Was he Proctor's supervisor at the MSP?

 

[SteveS]

The defense for KR has been gifted with a huge advantage in this case, and they are wisely using it well.

They were provided with truly gold-star level experts who had taken a completely objective look at this case. They weren't tailoring their conclusions to suit anyone. And they landed conclusively on KR's side, with a conclusion she COULD NOT have done hit JOK. It's impossible. End of story.

Armed with THAT knowledge, the def can approach the various witnesses testifying against her, armed with the knowledge (rather than just a hope or suspicion) that there MUST be something in the person's testimony that's not the truth -- and all they have to do is find those mistakes OR figure out how and why this person is lying. Experts CAN skew data to please a client, but aren't likely to do so if they are truly an expert, and will do so where their data isn't really as definitive as they are trying to make it seem.

The defense here has done a great job of looking. No question. But they know what the facts are - so they just have to find the mistakes, the lies, the skewing, and highlight it for the jury to see too. And we get to watch them do it.

The jury doesn't yet know what we already know (which is, KR did not do this, and could not have done it, and this trial should never have taken place). But they are learning, day by day, and hopefully she will get an acquittal and ALSO sufficient ammo to make vanish the looming lawsuit for damages. She didn't kill JOK, even if the family wants her to pay for it. The next step needs to be for some untainted LE group to do the undone job of finding the real killer of JOK.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Could somebody explain to me the issue with Burgess having talked to Tully a handful of times? I can't remember Tully's role. Was he Proctor's supervisor at the MSP?

Yuri's boss, so a boss of Proctor's. Now demoted to a non-management position. Brennan appears not to be calling him either.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Yuri's boss, so a boss of Proctor's. Now demoted to a non-management position. Brennan appears not to be calling him either.

Okay, thank you for that. So he was Proctor's boss's boss! Wow. And now he's been demoted to a non-mgmt role, but he is still involving himself with witnesses in this trial? Hmmmmmmm.

 

[Malleeboy]

Could somebody explain to me the issue with Burgess having talked to Tully a handful of times? I can't remember Tully's role. Was he Proctor's supervisor at the MSP?

He was scientific expert (note past tense), who should be looking at data and science to make a conclusion. Tully is not a scientist and was very limited in the data that he could give Burgess. Defence is saying the was giving non scientific testimony that would influence Burgess from looking objectively and impartially at the data and providing unbiased scientific report.

 

[Snoods]

I’m sorry most of y’all aren’t very smart. I wasn’t able to get my Bach of Science from a nonexistent school while I was in my Mother’s womb. It came really easy for me, I didn’t even need to study. I’m available, Brennan!

 

[Malleeboy]

I’m sorry most of y’all aren’t very smart. I wasn’t able to get my Bach of Science while I was in my Mother’s womb. It came really easy for me, I didn’t even need to study. I’m available, Brennan!

You post reminded me of Newton's line in above, "You 've got a bach degree, I've got a unit of force named after me"

 

[Snoods]

You post reminded me of Newton's line in above, "You 've got a bach degree, I've got a unit of force named after me"

That was hilarious!

 

[whitelilac]

The next step needs to be for some untainted LE group to do the undone job of finding the real killer of JOK.

snipped, for emphasis.
This.
JOK was killed. JOK and his family deserve justice.
This cannot be forgotten.

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924659562734616995

 

[Warwick7]

Soooooo...

Hank: 5/15/25: "We received this report on May 8. I was surprised to receive it."

Shanon: 5/19/25: I discussed this report with Hank on May 7.

 

[jepop]

Soooooo...

Hank: 5/15/25: "We received this report on May 8. I was surprised to receive it."

Shanon: 5/19/25: I discussed this report with Hank on May 7.

Liar liar pants on fire. But again, no surprises here. Judge cannone " I'll allow it" or more accurately '"I've allowed it". Jmo

 

[Malleeboy]

Soooooo...

Hank: 5/15/25: "We received this report on May 8. I was surprised to receive it."

Shanon: 5/19/25: I discussed this report with Hank on May 7.

If that is true, that is Brennan misleading the court, that should send Judge Bev ballistic.

 

[Seni]

Definitely the "feel" in this second trial seems very, very different.

Some have done their homework and in spite of the unexpected ignorant nasties that were lobbed their way in an extemporaneous manner.

So bloody sneaky, trying to worm that in, so irresponsible, stupid and not researched by Brennan.

 

[mrjitty]

If you are interested in trial strategy, yesterday's testimony explained Mr Alessi's motions plea to the Judge on the substantive issues last week. His 'effectuated strategy" on cross (Alessi's words), turned on seconds and he appeared to concede 1162 is from 34F.

Now we know why that is. The recovery of user data from the SD card (love that redundancy), means that 1162 is timestamped to the Waterfall ignition on, and furthermore the three point turn in 1162 is GPS location/time stamped.

Further Burgess reconciled the next 'ignition on' event in the 5am hour to the Ring camera, and the next to the Dighton trip, and then the tow truck event, and then the sallyport offload.

All this closes to the door to the way in which Trooper Paul was tripped up about counting key cycles in the first trial. Instead Alessi intended to use the DiSorga argument that John's IOS clock is slow, to achieve around 60s difference between trigger event 2, and Johns final steps. This really does reveal so much of what Alessi was doing on X with Whiffin. He wanted to use John's final steps to get him to the house, as much as 60s AFTER trigger event 2.

Especially Alessi has never cared whether the CW's claimed IOS variance was 21s, 29s or 30s. The only question that mattered is whether it was fast or slow. So long as there were two competing views on fast/slow, the defence was happy. If the slow argument dies - that is very bad for Alessi.

Obviously this is a high risk strategy, because the anchoring of 1162 is a very bad fact for the defence but i can appreciate how meticulous Alessi was in attempting to pull this off. And I think he thought until last Wednesday, that it just might work.

So what is he doing now with the 4 days the Judge granted him?

I am guessing they have already looked at any way at all they can hold on to that IOS clock being slow. If they can come up with anything, they have to put it to Burgess on cross today.

All the above is my opinions from watching the 2 motions hearings and EIC of Burgess.

 

[Warwick7]

Brennan and Aperture massively self-destruct in Court - Day 18

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924651074851307926

 

[mrjitty]

My other observation on the trial within the trial.

Both sides have guarded the existence of the SD card data so closely. In a trial in which so much has been leaked, it tells you a lot about the respective strategies in my view.

IMO

 

[pepito87]

@Tortoise - that was a good post this morning (thread 27) where you referenced 2 video interviews of KR saying such things as I was “looking to find him on the side of the road, I was expecting to find him” and (both quotes are about the 6:30 am trip to Fairview with JM and Kerry) “he’s roughly where I left him”.
Add to that her father’s comment that KR said, “Dad I think I struck something…..I remember backing up and hitting something”
at 1:45 here:

Not to mention the frantic chants of “Did I hit him?”
Why would she say these things? IMO, it’s because she tried to hit him and possibly did graze him on the knee. Why else would she keep talking about hitting him with her car if she really thought he was in the house?
I think parties on each side of the aisle are trying to hide something here. Clearly, IMO, LE was inept at best, and corrupt at worst, but I don’t think she’s 100% clean here.
That being said, there’s no way a jury can find her guilty - reasonable doubt appears in every aspect of this case.

Very often when you lose a loved one you tend to blame yourself for things you potentially could have done or shouldn’t have done to keep the person alive . It’s a natural reaction to the trauma.