MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #28 Retrial

[jepop]

Very often when you lose a loved one you tend to blame yourself for things you potentially could have done or shouldn’t have done to keep the person alive . It’s a natural reaction to the trauma.

Agree this is very common and very human. Imo there is an element of misplaced guilty feelings, probably for things that happened in the relationship in the past. Jmo

 

[Warwick7]

Lying about academic credentials is as bad as it gets for an expert witness. Particularly where they aren't al that impressive to begin with. Is this lying? Carelessness? An attempt to boost credentials due to insecurity? Does the reason matter when you are an expert?

Add the "gigabits vs gigabytes" fiasco and his mid-trial changing of his opinion (with data he had for several months) to sync with Whiffin's timeline (which the witness admits to doing) and you have the makings of an expert whose credibility will be annihilated.

If the jury cannot trust his integrity or basic competence to state academic credential or his ability to correctly note the difference between electronic storage measurements, why would they credit his mid-trial evolving opinion which conveniently helped the prosecution? This may very well be the biggest farce put forth by the prosecution yet in a case that already has become a national embarrassment.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924434627793388003

 

[Tortoise]

The SD card reveals the times. The truth of 1162. That's what everyone wanted right?

Everything else is a sideshow, the Lexus told us what happened. No one is talking about the reverse coinciding with the time John's phone last moved.

That's what I find interesting.

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

The SD card reveals the times. The truth of 1162. That's what everyone wanted right?

Everything else is a sideshow, the Lexus told us what happened. No one is talking about the reverse coinciding with the time John's phone last moved.

That's what I find interesting.

MOO

Yes i think the significance of this has been missed, because it was so closely held until last Wednesday.

Maybe today Alessi will unleash a new theory on how 1162 is not from 34F but everything about what he has said in the last week appears to indicate Alessi also thinks 1162 is from that fateful night.

IMO

 

[Tortoise]

Yes i think the significance of this has been missed, because it was so closely held until last Wednesday.

Maybe today Alessi will unleash a new theory on how 1162 is not from 34F but everything about what he has said in the last week appears to indicate Alessi also thinks 1162 is from that fateful night.

IMO

I don't know how they can explain the 19 minutes after ignition. It wasn't 19 minutes from ignition to putting it on the tow truck at Dighton.

Until now, I think all Alessi had was John making volitional movements/phone manipulation after the 1162 reverse.

 

[mrjitty]

I don't know how they can explain the 19 minutes after ignition. It wasn't 19 minutes from ignition to putting it on the tow truck at Dighton.

yes - 1162 is now timestamped and GPS stamped. That Dighton ship sailed when the SD card got read.

Until now, I think all Alessi had was John making volitional movements/phone manipulation after the 1162 reverse.

Yes. That is what he told the Judge.

He still has the other part of his strategy, which is ARCCA on the physical reconstruction.

And maybe they have some more technical argument - accepting the reversing but querying the speed for example.

But I do think that is slicing the sausage awfully fine at that stage, not least because the defendant has always maintained that reversing event never happened while she was driving outside 34F.

MOO/IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

The SD card reveals the times. The truth of 1162. That's what everyone wanted right?

Everything else is a sideshow, the Lexus told us what happened. No one is talking about the reverse coinciding with the time John's phone last moved.

That's what I find interesting.

MOO

Cross isn’t over yet. I think that that will be addressed today.

ETA that I’m kind of surprised you hold Burgess’ testimony in such high regard after he was proven to have lied about his degree for the last 17 years… MOO

 

[mrjitty]

For me the next interesting question is whether Alessi is putting the DiSorga variance calculation to Burgess or not. I am assuming he spent hours on LinkedIn to buy an extra day for whatever they are working on. IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Just in case anyone is wondering, Shanon Burgess admitted to 9 errors and 4 ‘misinterpretations’ within the first 15 minutes of cross examination yesterday.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924793991104741799

‘Some are defending Burgess by attempting to rationalize that he is credible because the CV he submitted to the DA was, in fact, accurate in that he admitted he had no degree. None of his prior misrepresentations matter, according to these people. The fact that he repeatedly misrepresented having a degree, what type of degree, and from what year is meaningless because he told the court the truth. In other words, he may have been a serial liar then, but not now. This is ridiculous. The jury has seen the witness’ penchant for academic dishonesty which he used to boost his unimpressive academic credentials. Academic integrity is of paramount importance for an expert. This should be obvious. That his most recent version is the most truthful version doesn’t cleanse his overall credibility problems. The online discourse regarding this case would be much more helpful if people would be intellectually honest and admit the obvious, whether it helps or hurts “their side.” Here, it is obvious that this expert is severely damaged. Do you think if a defense expert lied about academic credentials but came clean, the same people would dismiss that credibility issue as nothing?’

 

[mrjitty]

Interesting reading Bederow's timeline, just like Alessi, he does not appear to dispute that 1162 is from that night.

Maybe Alessi will try to do so today.

MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Aside from Burgess lying about his education, he was obviously quick to criticize Ms Gaffney's workmanship by even naming her in his report "circuit board damage caused during initial chip off by Mrs Gaffney caused by overheating the component during the removal process".
Seems like he was trying to pump his chest out that he's so good at his work by throwing her under the bus. We all know that type of "colleague".

 

[MerlinFalcon]

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Aside from Burgess lying about his education, he was obviously quick to criticize Ms Gaffney's workmanship by even naming her in his report "circuit board damage caused during initial chip off by Mrs Gaffney caused by overheating the component during the removal process".
Seems like he was trying to pump his chest out that he's so good at his work by throwing her under the bus. We all know that type of "colleague".

Just like how proud Gallagher was of his ingenious use of the leaf blower.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Karen Read and William Read speak after Burgess's testimony.

 

[tara83]

The SD card reveals the times. The truth of 1162. That's what everyone wanted right?

Everything else is a sideshow, the Lexus told us what happened. No one is talking about the reverse coinciding with the time John's phone last moved.

That's what I find interesting.

MOO

A guy lies about his education which puts into question his finding but no big deal of course?

 

[arielilane]

The SD card is being overlooked, but is so darn damning to the defense. Look the other way. The witness resourceful and retrieved important data because he's passionate in his field. But, the defense doesnt want to focus on the forensic digital data of the case, the factual information. jmo

 

[arielilane]

BTW, the University of Alabama offers degrees in BA though Collat School of Business.

World-Renowned Business School in Alabama - UAB Collat School of Business

UAB Collat School of Business offers top-ranked programs emphasizing real-world application in Alabama's vibrant business community.

www.uab.edu

The University of Alabama at Birmingham | Catalogs | The University of Alabama at Birmingham

catalog.uab.edu

 

[tara83]

BTW, the University of Alabama offers degrees in BA though Collat School of Business.

World-Renowned Business School in Alabama - UAB Collat School of Business

UAB Collat School of Business offers top-ranked programs emphasizing real-world application in Alabama's vibrant business community.

www.uab.edu

The University of Alabama at Birmingham | Catalogs | The University of Alabama at Birmingham

catalog.uab.edu

None of this changes the FACT that he lied.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

The SD card is being overlooked, but is so darn damning to the defense. Look the other way. The witness resourceful and retrieved important data because he's passionate in his field. But, the defense doesnt want to focus on the forensic digital data of the case, the factual information. jmo

If Mr. Burgess is willing to lie about his education, respectfully, why should we trust his findings? He made rudimentary mistakes (bytes v bits) and admitted to over a dozen mistakes or ‘misunderstandings’ in his cross exam. Certainly not the best or brightest, IMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

Mr. Burgess did not lie under oath about his CV.

Timestamp 4:54:24 (video link below) SB provided the CW, the defense, and the court with his CV in this case.

CV given to the court showed currently pursuing his bachelors.

SB’s LinkIn not updated. He wasnt aware of his LinkIn page. Most actively working professionals are not even looking at their LinkIn page. No reason to look at LinkIn page because they are not looking for employment, they're working.

Defense could not poke any holes in SB's damning testimony, so they attacked him instead. Defense once again as usual play dirty, bully a witness, smoke and mirrors. Deflection. All because they have nothing. They are desperate. Defense tries to smear every CW witness because they got nothing (that’s what they meant by “we got no quit”). They are an embarrassment.

Furthermore, SB wasnt aware of LinkIn, he testified to that. I also believe that how LinkIn works is that you are asked to input an anticipated graduation date; and once that date passes the app auto changes it to your grad date.

SB’s testimony damning to the defendant today. That cant be overlooked - that was clear and concise evidence- KR's Lexus testified today!

Looks like Jackson and KR also have outdated LinkIn pages.


A very very young photo of Jackson

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We know she is no longer employed: LinkIn states still employed

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But they didn't lie about their education or experience. That is the point. We are talking about truthfulness here.