MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #28 Retrial

[Leilei]

Is he specifically being paid to testify? Or is it Aperture?

He was paid $350 per hour, possibly more.
IMO.

 

[jepop]

And a Burgess note to Hank, “Per your request, I performed additional…”

M00, I don't care how you slice this, it's still SB telling HB I did what you asked me to do...

If I had to guess, I would say the witness perjured himself on that point, though that is not provable. Jmo

 

[JasmineD]

Certainly one thing is clear in terms of trial strategy. Alessi is leading the main defence and not AJ.

In T1, AJ overmatched Paul. It was a critical moment that likely pulled the manslaughter verdict out of the fire.

In T2, the defence obviously realised that was not going to fly - especially with the recovery of the user data on the SD card. So whereas the pundits have been expecting a rerun of T1 with an upgunned CW team, in fact this is much more like a complex civil litigation.

Hence Alessi's surprisingly expansive role. He seemed an odd choice given his background, and you see it in his cross that he is not a natural in a murder trial in the way that AJ is.

Yet here he is basically leading the main case and not AJ.

Maybe the D will come back to the 3rd party stuff in their case, but I believe this is where they are making their main stand.

MOO

Incorrect. Alessi is only doing the tech crosses. Jackson will be the one dealing with the likes of Proctor, Brian Albert and Brian Higgins. It should be pretty obvious by now that Higgins will be a main focus. Along with the dog that did the arm damage.

 

[jepop]

Incorrect. Alessi is only doing the tech crosses. Jackson will be the one dealing with the likes of Proctor, Brian Albert and Brian Higgins. It should be pretty obvious by now that Higgins will be a main focus. Along with the dog that did the arm damage.

Yes, it's called team work. They are a very cohesive and organised defense team. Imo they have truth and sincerity on their side too. Jmo

 

[JasmineD]

Yes, it's called team work. They are a very cohesive and organised defense team. Imo they have truth and sincerity on their side too. Jmo

And they are working for free. Says quite a lot about their commitment. Brennan, on the other hand, is fleecing the state and still managing to hire crap experts.

 

[Forest_Wood]

MO Judge Cannone has been exceptionally lenient about scope of cross. Plenty of Judges would not have allowed such latitude in my opinion. Prosecutors I've spoken to think she is D-leaning (in order to cut down appeal potential)

Couldn't disagree more with your inaccurate assessment!!!

 

[Soulmagent]

Incorrect. Alessi is only doing the tech crosses. Jackson will be the one dealing with the likes of Proctor, Brian Albert and Brian Higgins. It should be pretty obvious by now that Higgins will be a main focus. Along with the dog that did the arm damage.

The dog Bytes ,bytes ,Bite or bits on his arm testimony should be riveting. Look how fun they made the hair! Adhesive water , who would have knew .

 

[Forest_Wood]

I can't help but put him in the category of a flimflam man

I admit I had to look up what a flimflam man is : a criminal who steals money from people by tricking them : con man.

 

[Wishbone]

I admit I had to look up with a flimflam man is ::: a criminal who steals money from people by tricking them : con man.

JMOO He fits that description to a "T"

 

[Tortoise]

Whereas a phone to phone time gap can be matched by call/texts between the phones. Also phones generally are in almost constant interaction with cell towers, so they have far less drift. Given the number of phone calls/texts between Karen's and John's phone they have a plethora of sample times to align them.

<RSBM>

Yes their phones were pretty much in sync, but the trouble was only a handful of those calls were picked up on the infotainment system and they were made during the time the car was powered off, until after 5AM, which was not close enough in time to the event. This meant they weren't suitable for syncing with the Lexus clock. Karen's phone couldn't be compared with the Lexus clock either, at the relevant time.

According to the testimony.

MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Incorrect. Alessi is only doing the tech crosses. Jackson will be the one dealing with the likes of Proctor, Brian Albert and Brian Higgins. It should be pretty obvious by now that Higgins will be a main focus. Along with the dog that did the arm damage.

For someone to assume Alessi is leading this trial is uninformed. Each attorney has their strengths and I like how you described it here. And we can't forget about Yannetti and even Karen Read's contributions either. They are a brilliant team of lawyers who have said they are honored and privileged to serve Miss Karen Read in this case.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I personally found Burgess’s testimony unreliable as an expert witness for several reasons:

-He showed clear signs of confirmation bias in how he approached the data.
-He misrepresented his education and professional background.
-He made basic technical errors (confusing bits and bytes, for example).
-His presentation included incorrect dates and lacked consistency.
-His syncing protocol only aligned John O’Keefe’s phone and the Lexus infotainment system with nearby traffic cameras, which are arguably the least reliable timestamps available.
-He ignored Karen’s iPhone data entirely, even though her phone was paired to the car (moving with the car) and could have served as a stronger time source.

Even if a data source doesn’t fall perfectly within a given timeframe, it can still be used for calibration. For example, the infotainment system may have a known 3-second delay, but once it’s activated, that delay becomes consistent and can be accounted for. MOO.

 

[jepop]

It's the middle of the night and I can't sleep. I am re-watching Brian Higgins' testimony from T1.

BH testified he had 4 or 5 Jameson and Gingers at the Hillside Bar.

Then he had 2 or 3 more at Waterfall.

Thennn he drove to 34 Fairview.

So now he's 8 drinks to the wind. Then he decided... to drive to Canton and move cars.

After that he drove home and claimed to have had two more.

Shaking my head.....

Wow that's alot of booze. And I'd guess he had no concerns at all about being done for DUI of course. He was sinking them with other cops ie Brian Albert. Imo he would have had zero fears of a traffic cop throwing the book at him if pulled over. That whole group of people were/are deeply embedded in booze culture. Moo

 

[Forest_Wood]

Wow that's alot of booze. And I'd guess he had no concerns at all about being done for DUI of course. He was sinking them with other cops ie Brian Albert. Imo he would have had zero fears of a traffic cop throwing the book at him if pulled over. That whole group of people were/are deeply embedded in booze culture. Moo

I hope they're not the kind of cops who carry guns!
That is the scariest part, aside from what we've seen occur in this trial related to these people.
Imagine running into a cop like Kevin Albert when he's hungover for days after his bender with Proctor when he forgot where he left his gun.

 

[tara83]

Yeah. What i was mostly getting at is on the face of it, Alessi was an unusual choice to argue a murder case in front of a jury. Has he even done one before? But now we see why that is - the strategies are very different to last time. He comes with advantages and disadvantages. I personally think his courtroom manner is more suited to big litigation.



Agree on the do-over.

IMO Judge Cannone has been exceptionally lenient about scope of cross. Plenty of Judges would not have allowed such latitude in my opinion. Prosecutors I've spoken to think she is D-leaning (in order to cut down appeal potential). YMMV!

MOO.

Strange every single lawyer on either side that I have seen comments about her bias to the CW.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Wow that's alot of booze. And I'd guess he had no concerns at all about being done for DUI of course. He was sinking them with other cops ie Brian Albert. Imo he would have had zero fears of a traffic cop throwing the book at him if pulled over. That whole group of people were/are deeply embedded in booze culture. Moo

The Albert brothers and Higgins for sure consider/ed themselves above the law in Canton, which is why they had no fears about driving around town stinkin' drunk whenever they pleased.

I think that attitude is why they figured they'd have no problems getting away with this crime. And, so far at least, it's worked out for them.

 

[lohrtabitha]

This is NOT true, and all the testimony in the ARCCA hearing said it was not true. There was no testimony or evidence otherwise.

Any claim that ARCCA somehow violated rules at all, or of their own volition, in T1, either has not actually watched T2, or is just willing to make stuff up (I've outlined this many times before). Because those claims are totally false.

THE FACTS ARE: Brennan and cw actually KNOW objectively that ARCCA was hired by the Feds prior to T1, not the def, with the mandate to do tests and see if KR vehicle and JOK injuries support the theory he was hit by her vehicle. They found it was scientifically impossible, based on the injuries to JOK and the damages found on JR, for that to have happened.

So the Feds sent ARCCA testing and reports to the cw and court to help them objectively understand what happened to JOK (and perhaps fnd the killers). CW/prosec chose to ignore ARCCA's work, and tried to hide ARCCA testing (buried it in a discovery dump, hoping the def would not notice it). It's informative that prosec now plays the game of saying ARCCA and def were somehow conspiring in T1, at a time when they KNOW Feds both owned ARCCA reports, and also controlled ARCCA's possible activities on the case including any permission to testify.

All the hearing testimony showed that the ONLY interaction between ARCCA and def in T1 was coordinating scheduling of their time to testify, travel, etc. Brennan speculated otherwise, in hopes of getting ARCCA (and their incredible testimony) barred from T2, but not one bit of testimony said they collaborated. The testimony also showed that if there was a so-called sequestration violation in T1, it was actions done by the Feds, not ARCCA (who worked for the Feds and under the terms and with the info they provided, not the other way around), and the testimony also told us ARCCA was never told there was a sequestration order to consider. The def was NOT involved in any of that activity at all.

5 star response here Steve! I always enjoy your enlightenment! Rock on!!!

 

[jepop]

Strange every single lawyer on either side that I have seen comments about her bias to the CW.

Yep, moo too many are noting it. And as far as Burgess goes, there were reasons why she loosened the leash on Alessi for that cross. Altered report with 3 days notice and all that. The judge pronounced her 'remedy' at the hearing last Friday. Jmo

 

[tara83]

Yep, moo too many are noting it. And as far as Burgess goes, there were reasons why she loosened the leash on Alessi for that cross. Altered report with 3 days notice and all that. The judge pronounced her 'remedy' at the hearing last Friday. Jmo

Yep. He was allowed a vigorous cross because the CW was allowed to change the timeline in the middle of trial which so many lawyers were outraged about.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Yep, moo too many are noting it. And as far as Burgess goes, there were reasons why she loosened the leash on Alessi for that cross. Altered report with 3 days notice and all that. The judge pronounced her 'remedy' at the hearing last Friday. Jmo

She said she would allow a vigorous cross of Burgess. Her "make up" to the defense for a truly terrible ruling.