MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #28 Retrial

[rescuemom]

Another person paid to give a specific opinion. Really dont like this older man.
He has NO IDEA how the wound happened. NOT qualified to give this sort of "opinion". IMOpinion....

Were there no “brain surgeons” in the Boston area??? Brought him from Miami???

 

[Warwick7]

He was unable to complete ‘functional activities’… like locking his phone with the side lock button?

Great point!

 

[jepop]

Maybe.. I wonder how it serves them though. Hasn’t the CW asserted John was immediately incapacitated when Karen ‘hit’ him? Or is that a previous theory that has since been discarded?

I have a feeling they are trying to discard that. They want him to have stumbled around after dog attack arm swipe by tail light then have him hit his head falling onto the grass backwards. The other Dr Wolfe will show the impossible physics of that when looking at the tail light damage and Dr Rentschler will show the impossibility of JO's arm injuries coming from such a 'gentle' side swipe. Then Mr ( Dr?) Wing and Dr Russell will show the injuries are from impact with the claws and teeth of a large dog. Jmo.

 

[rescuemom]

How can Dr Wolf confidently claim that the ground caused John’s skull fracture without examining his body, the actual wound, or his brain? Especially when Dr. Scordi-Bello noted there was no visible grass or dirt in the head wound… something you’d expect if his head had made direct contact with the ground. MOO.

Edit: autocorrect

That’s my bi*ch with experts who do no work of their own

 

[Warwick7]

Did I misinterpret that Dr Wolf just said the occipital injuries happened first?

If it was "hit by a car" he would have said his arm or side were hit first then head second. That's logical.

He didn't.

He said the occipital injuries happened first.

 

[arielilane]

@JHall7news


Wolf says wound would include a depressed skull fracture (which O'Keefe did not have) if he were hit over the head with a weapon.


11:29 AM · May 21, 2025

https://twitter.com/x/status/1925212251574718869

 

[Forest_Wood]

I guess that’s it for the CWs educated witnesses. Nothing to write home about. A big disappointment after hearing his myriad of experience. MOO

 

[Odeto BJ]

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I think Brennan may have confirmed Karen’s innocence using his own timeline, IMO. Brennan stated at the beginning of trial 2 that John O’Keefe’s phone disconnected from Karen Read’s vehicle at 12:30 a.m. Let’s walk through what that implies:

-12:21 a.m: Karen arrives at 34 Fairview. (As per Ian Whiffen, Waze time shows 12:24 a.m. with a 3-minute offset.)
-12:21–12:24 a.m: John’s Apple Health data logs three flights of stairs climbed. That strongly suggests he went inside the house. Cars don’t have stairs.The CW claimed that the Lexus going up and down hills could have accounted for the stairs, but I don’t buy that. Apple health is designed to NOT interpret driving at steps. Otherwise you’d have miles logged as ‘walked/climbed’ every day.
-12:23 a.m: The Nagel vehicle arrives. A “here” text was sent at this time. No one in that car saw John inside Karen’s vehicle or exiting it.
-12:30 a.m: John’s phone disconnects from Karen’s car. Bluetooth typically requires proximity within 30 feet (standard Bluetooth devices in cars operate on a Class 2 standard - typically around 10 meters/33 feet). So, by this time, John and his phone were well away from her vehicle.
-12:31–12:32 a.m: John’s phone logs movement of 25 meters (~80 feet). Again, far from the car.
-12:36 a.m: Karen’s phone connects to John’s home WiFi. The drive from 34 Fairview to John’s house takes ~6 minutes (at minimum when it’s snowing). That puts her departure right around 12:30 a.m., aligning with the Bluetooth disconnection.

IMO, this timeline supports Karen’s account. She waited outside for a short time, then left around 12:30. The Bluetooth drop and Apple Health data make it highly unlikely that John was struck by Karen’s vehicle at or before that time, especially since his phone was active and moving after her departure. And ESPECIALLY since neither her vehicle or his body show signs of a collision.

MOO.

Great post.
I looked up how the Lexus clocks/ Nav System HMI works. Found this and compared the 2020 570 setup: this is strictly informative vid.

So there are 2 potential time settings: the Nav System time is confirmed via GPS on vehicle start, and that is via satellite; those have multiple atomic clocks confirmed by measurement of the wavelength of filtered light. Can't be much more consistent.
There is display clock time, both an analog above the console and a digital from the dashboard, between the speedo and the tach. Those will always foot with each other; but if the Setup is on Default (GPS) they will also foot with the NAV time. Otherwise: the owner can override GPS time and input their selected time but that only effects the display clocks...Nav still works on GPS time.

So which way was the Lexus set? and which data is everyone basing their analysis on, Display time or Nav time?

Providing all the data was extracted on Nav time: the Lexus records are probably the most accurate and it interlocks with KR's phone; the Meadow vid timestamp via video; via phone comparative to JOK's wifi and eventually to the tow operation and the Salleyport...Seems to me the experts would be best off to use that as the Anchor and make all the rest of the data sets comparative to it. JMO

Either way, considering the level of tech involved: its astounding that the offset between JOK's phone and the Lexus can change by something over 15 seconds in a period of just about 55 minutes: That is, that one device would slow and/or the other speed up by that much. Extended, that would imply a drift of 6 minutes in 24 hours. Both outputs are based on the wavelength of a synthetic quartz crystal.....Does not seem possible.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

If it was "hit by a car" he would have said his arm or side were hit first then head second. That's logical.

He didn't.

He said the occipital injuries happened first.

So, in other words, no ‘sideswipe’?

 

[Warwick7]

Imo. The CW is going to claim JO received his dog attacked arm from impact with the Lexus and then he stumbled around and fell, hitting his head on grass. It's very weak. Jmo

That's the weird part. He didn't testify to that today. I don't even know if he realized it.

He didn't say JO's arm was impacted first then hitting his head on the grass.

He said the occipital injuries happened first.

 

[Warwick7]

So, in other words, no ‘sideswipe’?

Yes...
Exactly.

 

[jepop]

If it was "hit by a car" he would have said his arm or side were hit first then head second. That's logical.

He didn't.

He said the occipital injuries happened first.

I don't think this Dr Wolf was questioned about the arm wounds? But I missed quite a bit of it.

 

[Warwick7]

Thank you, Alessi, for not wasting Dr. Wolf's precious time. Dr. Wolf can now get back to doing very important work saving lives. jmo

I have to agree with this. He is probably very good at being a surgeon.

 

[BUF]

It was mentioned a couple of days ago that the CW could maybe rest on Tuesday or Wednesday. Are we there today?

 

[Warwick7]

@JHall7news


Wolf says wound would include a depressed skull fracture (which O'Keefe did not have) if he were hit over the head with a weapon.


11:29 AM · May 21, 2025

https://twitter.com/x/status/1925212251574718869

He is right.

But, JO wasn't hit over the head. He testified he was hit from behind the head.

He said the occipital injuries happened first.

 

[Odeto BJ]

Finally, a well-educated and well-informed witness for the CW! The CW needs a good witness to gain any confidence here.

Yes and you can anticipate there was a little annoyance already simmering before Alessi ever stood up. The good doctor may have been to the courthouse as early as last Thursday to deliver his brief testimony, if he was slated to follow Burgess from more than a week ago.
In the meantime, the whole last minute report redo ruling, then examination, cross-X, Re-X and re-cross of Burgess and the evac exercise of this morning did nothing but delay that. And after all, he is a doctor, and a surgeon. JMO
Presuming of course that Brennan would be of the impression last Monday the 11th, that Burgess would be in the witness chair by Wednesday the 13th. For half a day. LOL.
All MOO

 

[missy1974]

I think Brennan may have confirmed Karen’s innocence using his own timeline, IMO. Brennan stated at the beginning of trial 2 that John O’Keefe’s phone disconnected from Karen Read’s vehicle at 12:30 a.m. Let’s walk through what that implies:

-12:21 a.m: Karen arrives at 34 Fairview. (As per Ian Whiffen, Waze time shows 12:24 a.m. with a 3-minute offset.)
-12:21–12:24 a.m: John’s Apple Health data logs three flights of stairs climbed. That strongly suggests he went inside the house. Cars don’t have stairs.The CW claimed that the Lexus going up and down hills could have accounted for the stairs, but I don’t buy that. Apple health is designed to NOT interpret driving at steps. Otherwise you’d have miles logged as ‘walked/climbed’ every day.
-12:23 a.m: The Nagel vehicle arrives. A “here” text was sent at this time. No one in that car saw John inside Karen’s vehicle or exiting it.
-12:30 a.m: John’s phone disconnects from Karen’s car. Bluetooth typically requires proximity within 30 feet (standard Bluetooth devices in cars operate on a Class 2 standard - typically around 10 meters/33 feet). So, by this time, John and his phone were well away from her vehicle.
-12:31–12:32 a.m: John’s phone logs movement of 25 meters (~80 feet). Again, far from the car.
-12:36 a.m: Karen’s phone connects to John’s home WiFi. The drive from 34 Fairview to John’s house takes ~6 minutes (at minimum when it’s snowing). That puts her departure right around 12:30 a.m., aligning with the Bluetooth disconnection.

IMO, this timeline supports Karen’s account. She waited outside for a short time, then left around 12:30. The Bluetooth drop and Apple Health data make it highly unlikely that John was struck by Karen’s vehicle at or before that time, especially since his phone was active and moving after her departure. And ESPECIALLY since neither her vehicle or his body show signs of a collision.

MOO.

I am playing catch up today!

This:
-12:21 a.m: Karen arrives at 34 Fairview. (As per Ian Whiffen, Waze time shows 12:24 a.m. with a 3-minute offset.)

^^^ is that from Whiffen's testimony? I have been wondering about the Waze info, I know he said it used the iphones time, but I want to know more about the 3 minute offset... lol

Thanks all for posting updates! I will rewind and go watch Dr. Wolf's direct later, but seems like it wasn't helpful for the CW? I did catch Alessi's very short cross and was surprised it wasn't longer, guessing the CW was too lol

 

[jepop]

That's the weird part. He didn't testify to that today. I don't even know if he realized it.

He didn't say JO's arm was impacted first then hitting his head on the grass.

He said the occipital injuries happened first.

Well there you go. He's a brain surgeon not an animal attack expert. There's a reason he wasn't questioned. Brennan knew he couldn't add anything there. I guess maybe they are leaving that for Aperture but is the top Aperture dude a medico too? Do the cw have a medical expert to explain the arm wounds or are they just going to try and negate the defense's experts on cross? The ME's testimony was useless to them. They have an animal person? But not qualified compared with ,Dr Russell and Mr Wing? Jmo

 

[Odeto BJ]

Alessi cleared that up on cross. Dr Wolf was consistent with ME. I’m not sure why the CW called him except maybe to state that he would have stayed alive 1-3 hours after death.

BBM
Did you mean that third sentence?

 

[ShadyLady]

That does not look like a tall vodka and tonic glass....that Karen was drinking.