MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #29 Retrial

[geevee]

As I saw mentioned elsewhere on the net, it's pretty surprising that those who found JOK first (KR, KR, JMc) and then the first responders, all doing some form of CPR on JOK, no one mentioned kneeling on or being cut by sharp pieces of plastic or glass that were later found scattered all around the area JOK was found. 45+ pieces of plastic, big shards of glass and no one saw or felt a single piece.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

As I saw mentioned elsewhere on the net, it's pretty surprising that those who found JOK first (KR, KR, JMc) and then the first responders, all doing some form of CPR on JOK, no one mentioned kneeling on or being cut by sharp pieces of plastic or glass that were later found scattered all around the area JOK was found. 45+ pieces of plastic, big shards of glass and no one saw or felt a single piece.

Funny also that for two big head injuries, there wasn’t no blood on anyone but KR who was trying to help him. Head wounds bleed excessively and yet there was very little. Hmmm…

 

[HarmonyE.]

Thanks for posting this. First time I've seen this testimony.

Is this a prosecution witness?
If so, doesn't his testimony (from 18.00-26.00 mins approx.) help the defense?
It seems odd that the Ford Edge suddenly appeared (for over 3 hours) to block or obscure something from view.
Just because the driver couldn't see anything/anyone on other side of the parked car, doesn't mean there wasn't something there.

Defense witness. Note this is from last year's trial. Lucky is back on the list for this trial as well.

He testified that he went by at 2:30 am and there was no one on the lawn. If you watch the video, he explains why we would have seen JO if he'd been there.

Law enforcement did not interview this guy until over a year and a half later, and only because Turtleboy (self described independent journalist) tracked him down and interviewed him first. He works for the town's department of public works and should have been very easy to find.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Can anyone tell me what happened with bumper glass pieces C and D. I don’t see any results listed on the chart…chalk…

Thanks!

Great q ! I was wondering that too.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Great q ! I was wondering that too.

Maybe they didn’t match any items? I’m sure if C and D matched John’s glass, and the defense didn’t bring it up, the prosecution would jump on it. Hell, they’d certainly mention a definitive match in their direct.

Is it possible that those pieces may not have been tested at, like the swabs taken from the solo cups?

 

[arielilane]

Timestamp 6:09

what I thought could have happened was
that did I incapacitate him unwittingly
somehow and then in his drunkenness
passed out — Karen Read

 

[HarmonyE.]

Maybe they didn’t match any items? I’m sure if C and D matched John’s glass, and the defense didn’t bring it up, the prosecution would jump on it. Hell, they’d certainly mention a definitive match in their direct.

Is it possible that those pieces may not have been tested at, like the swabs taken from the solo cups?

The glass gathered by Proctor - and only Proctor- and allegedly found on Read's bumper after a 60 mile round trip in a blizzard didn't match the glass/cup allegedly found near the scene by others.

The illustration used by Jackson helps the jury to see that once again, questionable evidence in this case was likely planted/created by Proctor.

 

[Bethlamb16]

It wouldn't surprise me if BH was outside at the same time as JOK was walking towards the door and sucker punched him in the back of the head with a blunt object and John was so drunk, he couldn't defend himself. Karen wouldn't have even seen it happening. BH drags him to the side, leaves him there to come back later while he hatches his plan of what to do with him, and the dog Chloe became involved after the fact. Higgins would have known where KR's car was parked if he saw them pull up. I strongly believe BH had something to do with JOKs death and why not pin it on Karen since she ghosted him and made a fool out of. I could see him doing something like that, being the immature drunken lush that he was.
MOO

I have always thought BH was/is responsible

 

[tara83]

Are you suggesting a plow hit JOK? I just don’t see that in the evidence.

No way a plow or SUV hit John. His injuries don't point to that in any way. JMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

I was taken aback when the good Dr Wolf said a person could stick their finger through a brain!

I was taken aback when he said the day before he arrived in Massachusetts he did 2 brain surgeries and was doing 4 more the day after his court appearance.
No fatigue?
imo

 

[missy1974]

This is not correct IMO

Per the testimony of YB, only the evidence officer can print the labels. The items were bagged on the 4th and label printed i.e the evidence officer had custody from the 4th. They were in the evidence room until later transferred to the Crime Lab for analysis.

if they sat around for weeks in the evidence bag, surely AJ would have raised this on cross?

Can you show me if there is an evidence log? Because there isn't one. That is the problem here. And because they said so doesn't really cut it. I know you have watched many trials mrjitty, this is NOT normal. There is always a chain of custody log.


Trooper DiCicco apprently printed the label. But he didn't bag it, and we have no idea where it went after that. There is typically what happens examples, but there is no logs whatsoever. The next "known" movement of that bag was when it was logged in at the Crime Lab in mid March.

I couldn't recall if DiCicco (who MP or YB mentions is the one that printed the labels) testified last trial (I don't believe he did).. but in my search, I found another "fun fact"...

The Defense had NO IDEA about the other tail light pieces being found by Proctor or anyone until 2023. The only reason they found out is because the photos of the bags that the Crime Lab took.
Motion filed in Sept 2023:

Defendant’s Reply to Commonwealth’s Response to Defendant’s Renewed Motion to Compel Discovery and Access to Evidence.pdf

drive.google.com

In another motion filed a month later by the Defence... Proctor wrote a report AFTER they were ordered to provide evidence of those searches and any logs, etc.

Motion for Communications Directed to Jennifer McCabe Michael Proctor and Elizabeth Proctor.pdf

drive.google.com

I stumbled across this ... I knew the reports were written MUCH later then when they were found, but I had no idea that the only reason why the report as written was because the defense filed a motion for discovery because of the pics. They had nothing until Proctor wrote a report in Nov 23.

I really do believe that not only did the Mc/A's suggest she plea deal out, I think everyone expected her to do that and a lot of this wouldn't matter. But that is JMO.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Does Peter say the Judge is corrupt?

Again the reason why i replied to @Warwick7 's post is that Attorney appeared to allege judicial corruption which is a far more serious allegation.

So I am wondering what form of corruption there is supposed to be?

Even if you accept Peter's argument on the merits, so long as the Judge reached the decision on her best interpretation of the law that is far short of corruption - even if it is eventually overturned on appeal. Judges get the law wrong all the time.

I tend to agree on that decision, that the Judge was incorrect. I tend to disagree with Peter that it's bias - but in any event, bias is nowhere near corruption.

IMO

Steinbeck also didn't say Cannone was "corrupt".

 

[rescuemom]

If I was the CW, I would not have wanted today's testimony to be what the jury thinks about all weekend, they usually plan better then this lol

JMO

At this point I don't think they have much of a plan. Supposedly, Welcher could not make it yesterday or today. I wonder if he will testify at all. The phoniness of JBC is so obvious. There is certainly no consistancy or continuity with the CW in this trial.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Off topic to the current trial proceedings, but on topic to the general case - I somehow missed that in trial 1, it came out that Brian Albert was a trained boxer?

‘Motive to commit crime’: Karen Read’s lawyers name 3 key witnesses in third-party culprit argument

Third-party culprit defense is a legal strategy employed by defendants to argue that another individual is the actual perpetrator of the crime.

www.boston25news.com

Karen’s defense team wrote about BA: “Brian Albert did not have a good reputation among his fellow police officers. He was known as a bully, someone who has a history of sucker-punching fellow officers, particularly when he was drinking,” the defense argued. “He has been investigated by Boston Police Department’s Internal Affairs Division for his violent conduct in that regard. Albert is a trained boxer, and several of his fellow officers were afraid of him.”

 

[jepop]

The interesting thing is that not one expert is talking about the injuries on his arm!

Seems to me they are still the elephant in the room for the prosecution and those who consider KR guilty! It began with Proctor but I'm also annoyed with the ME who never followed up with any independent enquiry. But I get it I guess; at the time it appears she was never informed that a german shepherd lived at the property where John died. Moo

 

[rescuemom]

He wasn't asked any other questions about blows to the back of his head, by either side. The defence only focused on the laceration on John's upper eyelid, in terms of causation.

The defense didn't need anything else from him. His whole testimony was a moot point, IMO.
What I remember most is that he rises at 4am to go office/clinic, whatever, then goes home at 6am to get his wife her cappucino/latte, whatever, and then returns to work.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Timestamp 6:09

what I thought could have happened was
that did I incapacitate him unwittingly
somehow and then in his drunkenness
passed out — Karen Read

Her feelings are not fact. They are simply feelings.

 

[rescuemom]

Cape traffic is always bad, but on a holiday weekend it is 10 times worse. The lucky ones get on the road early on Friday to beat the rush. The really lucky ones don’t have to work on Thursday.
I just don’t get a 5 day vacation in the middle of the trial.

The CW needs the time to regroup.

 

[lohrtabitha]

DBM

 

[jepop]

Begin Timestamp 3:02:20

Alessi: so none of your typical days none of the past typical months
um have involved forensic pathology have they you haven't acted as a forensic pathologist in

Dr. Wolf: I am I am if you're you could have asked that question very straightforward i am not a forensic
pathologist i'm a brain surgeon

Alessi: right and you don't perform autopsies correct sir you're a brain surgeon

Dr. Wolf:correct in other words I see more brains than the forensic pathologist

Alessi: right and and is it correct to say that the brains that you see are of living people

Dr. Wolf: correct

Alessi: okay

End Timestamp 3:03:04

Alessi was not trying to dispute Dr Wolf's area of expertise as a brain/neuro -surgeon. He elicited what was needed for the defense and ended the cross. This witness was useful for both the defense and the CW in some ways IMO. However up to this point Brennan is still failing to demonstrate that OJO died as a result of vehicular impact. Dr Wolf was not able to help him there. Jmo