MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #31 Retrial

[AngTxGal]

No taillight was found in John's driveway.

Dr Welcher did the 3D laser imaging of the two cars and gave his expert opinion that the taillight did not touch John's car, there is a mark on Karen's car where it touched John's car, and he also gave his expert opinion that that bump at that speed did not cause the taillight to break.

The defence reconstructionists ARCCA also agreed with that in trial 1.

There is no evidence of taillight planting.

So you think the 40+ pieces of taillight were broken when they collided with JO’s arm? <modsnip>
That is what Welcher claimed, but ARCCA said No in T1.
So what did KR hit that shattered that her taillight if it was broken in front of the Albert’s home?

It looks like a clash of experts with opposing claims.
ARCCA will come up soon- I wonder how their testimony will fly.

IMO

 

[themonk]

@justwannahelp
Thank you for all this info and your well thought out post. The core body temp has always been curious to me.
Lucky saw a ford edge parked in front of Fairview by the flagpole at around 330am that morning.
I wonder if the body was being put out then?
JMO

Has anyone ever come forward to say it was their Ford Edge?

If not, why not?

 

[Tortoise]

But it does show a person at the location of the right taillight for an extended period of time.
Why would they be spending so much time there? At that time all those 40+ taillight pieces are supposed to be in the snow near the Albert’s home.

IMO

What is suspicious about police leading an investigation looking at damage on a car collected as evidence?

The two police officers Bukhenik and Proctor's DNA was not on the taillight.

 

[waldojabba]

Has anyone ever come forward to say it was their Ford Edge?

If not, why not?

Not that I know of. But BA drove one LE issued / kevin Albert drive one LE issued and Higgins too I think. JMO

 

[themonk]

Not that I know of. But BA drove one LE issued / kevin Albert drive one LE issued and Higgins too I think. JMO

heh exactly

 

[shotgun09]

Has anyone ever come forward to say it was their Ford Edge?

If not, why not?

Disgraced Former Trooper Michael Proctor says:
" What Ford Edge? "

 

[AngTxGal]

I understand your sentiment.

The reason I feel there is not even evidence to convict Karen, is that Karen’s car never hit John’s. So they are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole so to speak.
The scenario does not fit with what we know so far imo.
So then what did happen? What are the other possibilities?
Just from a simplistic view: no one saw him on the lawn and lots of people were in and out.
So then just naturally if you have been observant of this case since the beginning, you begin to notice certain inconsistencies and red flags in testimonies etc.
Why does BA on the text stream say to the others in the early stages : Just tell them he never went into the house.
If John never went into the house there would be no need to say that.

Why do BA and Nicole never come out of the house that entire morning. Why doesn’t Jen wonder if they are ok too and go into the house ? They have just found a dead man on their front lawn.

They say they never woke up. The chaos was right outside their window. So I don’t find that believable.

Why wasn’t their house searched?

There are many other red flags that if listed build a compelling case for a cover up.
But we really don’t know.

These were all very drunk people. Most like to focus on Karen being drunk. John had a bac of .028 I believe. It was the whole crowd. Ime alcohol can cause accidents and then bad decisions.

It was easy for me to believe initially that KR backed into John because of alcohol. But then I saw the evidence.

It’s equally as easy for me to believe that an accident occurred inside the house and for whatever reason they decided not to call 911.

Maybe they propped him sitting up in the basement and thought he was just passed out. But when they checked him later he was dead.

Who knows. There is no proof of this just suspicion There is a lot of shady behavior on the part of the party goers.

Just my two cents.
JMO

Now that is a great point- a dead man is found in a friend’s yard- what do you do?
So you don’t check on the people in the house? That doesn’t make much sense!

There are a LOT of liars if this is a conspiracy to coverup an accident in the home resulting in JO’s death.
For me I would expect stupid stunts from frat boys in their twenties- and they get caught and mess up their lives but grow up.
I don’t imagine that from middle aged men and women with families who have grown children.
All of these actions- if a conspiracy will impact so many lives.
The brazenness of such choices speak of a feeling of untouchable that is hard to comprehend! It is to the level of the Murdaugh case, or Bardstown, or both sides during the OJ trial.
That is tough for me to wrap my head around

IMO

 

[Tortoise]

So you think the 40+ pieces of taillight were broken when they collided with JO’s arm? <modsnip>
That is what Welcher claimed, but ARCCA said No in T1.
So what did KR hit that shattered that her taillight if it was broken in front of the Albert’s home?

It looks like a clash of experts with opposing claims.
ARCCA will come up soon- I wonder how their testimony will fly.

IMO

Yes, seriously, I do. The expert evidence was credible. He is very qualified to give his opinion as a biomechanical/biomedical engineer, with vast experience in accident reconstruction. I don't pay attention to less qualified opinions on the subject.

IMO

 

[themonk]

There are a LOT of liars

RSBM

Interesting that the Honorable Judge Beverly Cannone appears so comfortable with perjury in her courtroom.

You have to wonder why.

 

[themonk]

Yes, seriously, I do. The expert evidence was credible. He is very qualified to give his opinion as a biomechanical/biomedical engineer, with vast experience in accident reconstruction. I don't pay attention to less qualified opinions on the subject.

IMO

Did you find the ARCCA experts credible?

 

[AngTxGal]

What is suspicious about police leading an investigation looking at damage on a car collected as evidence?

The two police officers Bukhenik and Proctor's DNA was not on the taillight.

So what broke the taillight on the Lexus? If you believe Welcher- you think it was JO’s arm??

The taillight was together and then broken into 40+ pieces due to a collision that wasn’t enough to be registered by the car’s collusion system?
I would expect airbags to deploy if a taillight is hit with such force to cause it to shatter into 40+ pieces. Wouldn’t you?
I would also expect such an event to do damage to other parts of the car.

IMO

 

[tara83]

I'm speechless that some really think an arm is strong enough to break a taillight into 47 pieces. <modsnip> JMO

 

[Tortoise]

Did you find the ARCCA experts credible?

I'll let you know when they testify.

I have a feeling this year will be very different, with all the new data capture, <modsnip: No source link to info stated as fact>

JMO

 

[keek]

Yes, seriously, I do. The expert evidence was credible. He is very qualified to give his opinion as a biomechanical/biomedical engineer, with vast experience in accident reconstruction. I don't pay attention to less qualified opinions on the subject.

IMO

Turns out not, check out his co. profile now. Past accident resconstructions.. so you may or do want him to of course, but he had nothing to say of knowing and he said that out loud. He didn't know anything of certain, all assumptions. Truth and science, real science, not his imagination of what might of happened, might, is what this trial needs desperately, despite how it has been run. IMO

 

[Sillybilly]

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[SteveS]

In MO0 KR wasn’t really friends with the people and wasn’t sure if she was truly invited or wanted to see what the crowd was like. So in M00 JO was supposed to go inside and check out the vibes or whatever and then text/call KR to come inside. That’s why she was parked outside for 10 minutes. And why she was so pissed in the infamous voicemails.

This part is just me inferring but it seems like the plan would have been for them both to stay OR both go home.

"In MO0 KR wasn’t really friends with the people and wasn’t sure if she was truly invited or wanted to see what the crowd was like...JO was supposed to go inside and check out the vibes or whatever and then text/call KR to come inside. That’s why she was parked outside for 10 minutes. And why she was so pissed in the infamous voicemails." --- All of this makes perfect sense. It fits the evidence from the witnesses of her presence and of the phone signal location. Thank you for putting it together.

 

[Warwick7]

Now that is a great point- a dead man is found in a friend’s yard- what do you do?
So you don’t check on the people in the house? That doesn’t make much sense!

There are a LOT of liars if this is a conspiracy to coverup an accident in the home resulting in JO’s death.
For me I would expect stupid stunts from frat boys in their twenties- and they get caught and mess up their lives but grow up.
I don’t imagine that from middle aged men and women with families who have grown children.
All of these actions- if a conspiracy will impact so many lives.
The brazenness of such choices speak of a feeling of untouchable that is hard to comprehend! It is to the level of the Murdaugh case, or Bardstown, or both sides during the OJ trial.
That is tough for me to wrap my head around

IMO

*Knock Knock*

Real Cop: Good morning. There’s a man dying on your lawn over there. Do you know him?

Homeowner: Yes we invited him to our party last night after the bar.

Real Cop: brb with search warrant

 

[Tortoise]

So what broke the taillight on the Lexus? If you believe Welcher- you think it was JO’s arm??

The taillight was together and then broken into 40+ pieces due to a collision that wasn’t enough to be registered by the car’s collusion system?
I would expect airbags to deploy if a taillight is hit with such force to cause it to shatter into 40+ pieces. Wouldn’t you?
I would also expect such an event to do damage to other parts of the car.

IMO

John's arm.

The expert evidence was completely credible, IMO. I see no evidence that he doesn't know his physics, as I have already said.

And yes I would expect an arm to impact the light extensively, at the speeds he referenced, it wasn't just an elbow, it was a whole arm, in all the places he had lacerations, as demonstrated by the paint transfer.

Welcher didn't expect a sideswipe impact at the rear to deploy airbags, or register as a collision. There were multiple scratches, one on the rear quarter panel, one on the hatch, and a dent also on the hatch.

MOO where applicable

 

[lohrtabitha]

I did indeed watch, as I have watched every day.

There was no taillight on the bumper, it was broken glass on the bumper.

The pieces of taillight that could not be fit to the reconstruction of the whole unit were not a mechanical fit.

If you watch near the beginning of her testimony she is asked what she means by physical match and she explains she means 'a mechanical fit'. One edge matching up to another broken edge.

Disagree with you on this one.

 

[keek]

John's arm.

The expert evidence was completely credible, IMO. I see no evidence that he doesn't know his physics, as I have already said.

And yes I would expect an arm to impact the light extensively, at the speeds he referenced, it wasn't just an elbow, it was a whole arm, in all the places he had lacerations, as demonstrated by the paint coverage.

Welcher didn't expect a sideswipe impact at the rear to deploy airbags, or register as a collision. There were multiple scratches, one on the rear quarter panel, one on the hatch, and a dent also on the hatch.

MOO where applicable

Welcher's own perceptions assuming JOK was actually standing right there. He acted it out as IF JOK was standing there, he does not know that, really, he said. IMO.