MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #32 Retrial

[jepop]

Yes, the location of the shoe that came off would show where he was standing- if he was impacted.

That is another must- the impact would have to be such that he could be pulled out of his shoe.
There are other possible explanations- stepping off balance on that raised curb.

For him to have been in the road and approach to the rear of the car…
- KR would have to be further up on the road- or he would walk up to the passenger/side
- KR would have had to back and turn at the same time (if 3 pt turn)- and then stop near contact.
Or she would have backed over him, and wouldn’t be turned enough to flip around the other direction.

Looking for a map with location of shoe, cap, body, taillight fragments, bar glass pieces… if there is one

IMO

Imo there isn't one.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Exactly, in the minded of JOK’s family a NG verdict for KR would not be justice.
I wonder how the testimony of KK fell on them.
I’m a mom of a son who thinks he has met the love of his life, he is working hard to make a life with her. He think she completes him, and all that. It would take convincing to imagine he is wrong and this women is the devil incarnate- responsible for harming him on purpose.
KK’s testimony to me reminded the world that JOK and KR are regular people enjoying their lives, having drinks, making friends, relaxing- with no idea what was in store in the next five hours.


What has happened that has turned all of JOK’s family against KR?
I saw a clip of JOK’s brother equating Guilty as Justice.
How did you get there? If you know JOK loved her?

I have not been following this case in any detail except for the past two weeks- what am I missing?

IMO

Well, if you've only been following this case for two weeks, you've missed 3-1/2 years and two entire trials, so you've missed a lot. But perhaps what you're missing most is that JOK is dead and his family is angry, grieving his loss and needs to hang onto someone to blame.
MOO

 

[Tortoise]

Why was she backing in the first place if not a 3pt turn?

RSBM

There were plenty of driveways she could have 'nosed' into, then reversed back out and turned around. I don't think reversing for 87 feet+ is a natural 3-point turn maneuver, especially for KR, or on a narrow street without using a driveway. She demonstrated that was her preferred way of turning around on Cedarcrest just 8 minutes earlier. IMO

So we approached from the north. We actually missed the turn, and John says to me it’s Fairview we just passed it, it’s back there, it was on my left, I said alright, so I pull into, nose into a driveway and back out onto the street which I now know is Cedarcrest and then come from the north onto Fairview.

6.19.48

So yes, why was she backing up in a dangerous manner is the question.

 

[Warwick7]

Do you find it strangely odd that the only missing time from videos appears to be times when one might have seen, or not seen, evidence of what actually happened? One missing video, say, of KR passing the library, sure. Things happen. Systems glitch. Sally port missing video? Neighbor retired officer erased video? How many odd coincidences does it take to really wonder what’s actually happening here?

Bam!!!!

Missing missing missing missing

 

[missy1974]

Why would there even be data from her phone that was in police custody during April 2022? That makes no sense.

Green is the one telling the story. I am simply noting he did not claim anyone deleted her data in April 2022. Green appeared to say the cache would have emptied after a couple of weeks. As the CW did not crack the defendant's phone until July, they could not have deleted anything in April, and her cache would have been lost long ago, according to the defence's witness.

IMO

I have to agree with mrjitty..... it was location data from April 22, not earlier location data. I think the implication was, that someone in MSP must have had the phones out and on for some reason and they tried to delete the location data. JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Why would she stay 2 hours?

If the defence wants to contend all of that in court, they would need to put actual evidence before the Jury. Like for instance, her time record for her shift and overtime on the 29th.

The constitutional burden of proof is so often discussed in this case, but it remains the case that the party saying things in Court needs to actually produce some evidence of them. Given AJ himself did not actually allege she left much later than 3.30 one suspects he knows her overtime did in fact end then.

MOO

BBM

You'd have to ask her.

In M00, Dever lied on that stand to save her job.

 

[Warwick7]

She'd already finished her regular shift and was asked to stay for overtime. Not only was the weather a big blizzard issue, she was probably pretty darn exhausted and couldn't wait to get home, JMO. I wonder just how many calls came in that night.

BBM
All the more reason she probably stuck around.

 

[cocomod]

Respectfully, we don't agree. IMO, there's a fine line between meeting with a witness and talking or manufacturing what the witness says on direct to your questions. Using a highlighter to mark a witness's work to make it known what the witness should testify seems very suspect, IMO.

RSBM

Respectfully, you are imagining what happened. IMO

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Respectfully, you are imagining what happened. IMO

This is what happens here. Pearl clutching if the defense goes over anything with their witnesses, but it's fine for Brennan to meet with his witnesses and coach them. They don't even acknowledge that it happens! JMO

 

[Warwick7]

So she saw random people and conjured up an image of a big black Lexus SUV that day. Where these folks hung out around the conjured up Lexus for a wildly long time.

The defense’s job is to poke holes. And stop while they’re ahead.

Regardless of anything else this awful attitude woman said on the stand, the fact that she angrily blurted out that SHE CONTACTED THE FBI was more than enough of a win for the defense. Finally, someone said it. Out loud. Couldn’t have happened to a better witness either, short of Jen McCabe blurting it out. That would’ve been even more satisfying.

BBM
Wow. How did I miss that part??!!

 

[missy1974]

Dr. Wolfe! I should have had more coffee! lol

Good morning trial watchers

 

[waldojabba]

I disagree and probably should have added a disclaimer to my earlier post where I linked LT Gallagher's testimony from the first trial regarding control of the CPD Sally Port doors by the dispatch center/computer. I apologize for this.

First, I believe without a doubt that Officer Dever saw what she recalled in vivid detail and reported to the FBI under oath! She did not misremember anything.

Instead, I believe it was the timeline by the defense (that Dever later compared against her testimony to the FBI) that was in error! In other words, this is why the defense did not further challenge Dever. Dever took advantage of an injustice on the defense... and in my opinion, karma has a long memory.

To be clear, in addition to the inverted Sally Port videos the CW produced for the first time in the middle of the first trial, the defense timeline error was also the result of a gross discovery violation by the CW where the Court failed to remedy the situation -- ruling the CW had no duty to preserve the evidence in secure form (no meta-data, no secure file, etc) and where the defense used unreliable information they could not verify to create a timeline, and Dever took advantage of the defense's error. The Jury instructions to explain the CW discovery violation are yet to be seen.

TBH, I have little confidence this will happen after the Court failed to allow a Motions hearing on the matter pretrial. I had to walk from this case in advance of trial 2.0. The rulings by this Court pretrial were beyond anything I'd ever seen before, and were just too much for me!

I swore I would not watch trial 2 either because of all the bias by the judge - also the hiring of mob lawyer Hank Brennan as the special prosecutor who knows no low.
Its hard to watch but luckily most people outside the court catch on to what is actually happening.
I hope the jurors see what's happening.
Trial 2 has been a very different trial compared to trial 1. But once again the P did not come close to proving their case BARD. But there are Karen haters who do not seem to need the P to meet any standard, so I have to figure that at least one of the haters will be on the jury.
So I am anticpating another hung jury/mistrial.

This second trial has been an even bigger black eye/embarrassment for Massachusetts and a huge money suck for Norfolk County. SMDH
JMO

JMOI

JMO

JMO

 

[Leilei]

Dr. Wolfe! I should have had more coffee! lol

Good morning trial watchers

I just crawled out of bed a few minutes ago, turned on the TV, and BAM - instant energy
Let's go, Dr. Wolfe, show 'em how it's done!
IMO.

 

[arielilane]

This is an opinion only. Does not make it right, again it’s only an opinion.

Apparently, Green won’t be testifying. Sounds like defense finally conceded that “2:27 am google search” did not happen. Accepting truth. Its (google search) has been debunked, again, over and over again.
Will defense apologize to JMc? Doubtful. moo

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

This is an opinion only. Does not make it right, again it’s only an opinion.

Apparently, Green won’t be testifying. Sounds like defense finally conceded that “2:27 am google search” did not happen. Accepting truth. Its (google search) has been debunked, again, over and over again.
Will defense apologize to JMc? Doubtful. moo

Is there a source? If not, what are you basing ANY of this on?

 

[missy1974]

Dr. Wolfe - his dissertation for his PhD was about the same material that the tail light is made of. Don't ask me to type the word for it LOL

 

[waldojabba]

Dever's shift ended at 3:45. She wasn't there when the tow truck with Read's vehicle arrived.

We have no idea realistically if she stayed after her shift - just hanging out or not. If there were records/tape someone would have brought them ( Kelly).

Still now a few days later we have not seen anything fron Kelly, Canton PD or BPD. Meanwhile she is getting ravaged in the media and across all online platforms, as is BPD Commissioner Cox.

Pretty easy to end all that negative energy being directed at Kelly and the commish if you have the actual receipts.

There was no false memory
Just a big cleanup/coverup - and a womans freedom hangs in the balance as well as actual justice for John.

JMO

 

[BUF]

Dr. Wolf is an articulate witness that presents well

 

[missy1974]

Dr. Wolf is an articulate witness that presents well

Stark contrast to others IMO

 

[missy1974]

Jackson asking questions about who hired him.. anddddd Brennan objects and sidebar.

As a juror, don't the objections stand out to you? they always do to me, for either side. lol