MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #32 Retrial

[Wishbone]

Such a simple question and the judge wants a sidebar. No reason that Dr Wolfe can't answer that question. JMOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

She'd already finished her regular shift and was asked to stay for overtime. Not only was the weather a big blizzard issue, she was probably pretty darn exhausted and couldn't wait to get home, JMO. I wonder just how many calls came in that night.

Good point!
It's possible she had to stick around until she could get a ride home or drive her own vehicle away from the CPS building because of the big blizzard issue. We know that snow plows were busy that day trying to remove a foot of snow from the main arteries, which take priority. Many police buildings offer gyms and showers for their members. Maybe she went for a workout before heading home. Maybe her partner was also a cop on duty and she waited for them to drive home together. Maybe she went for a nap to recover from the long shift before heading home. So many possibilities. Just because the defense didn't bring any further evidence doesn't equate to her NOT being there when the SUV arrived and therefore seeing BH and KB. Her memory to the FBI was vivid, not vague. She said she saw those two on the sallyport cameras for a weirdly long time. Regardless, the damage to her reputation is done now. She has lost all credibility. And the trial has now provided more reasonable doubt in the guilt of Miss Karen Read.
MOO

 

[mrjitty]

BBM

You’d have to ask her.

In M00, Dever lied on that stand to save her job.

AJ had the chance to ask her. It was his witness. IMO

 

[missy1974]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1930980974390583761

 

[nightowl1975]

BBM
Wow. How did I miss that part??!!

AJ was GLEEFUL and didn’t miss a beat either. It was beautiful. Dever blurts out how she contacted the FBI, blah blah blah, and he immediately follows with “oh did you? Do you have a report from them?” She also kept calling them “agents” vs the more vague “other LEO” that everyone has stuck to thus far. Definitely worth a rewatch.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Officer Devers Testimony-
We here have tons of questions related to Devers testimony and the sallyport.
What is the actual significance here? I think we can infer based on the defenses actions.

We know the jury would understand better if they had more information.
Why don’t they?
Why did the Defense Team not choose to do more homework here? Bring more info to the jury?

• Description of how the sallyport doors work
• Procedures of use of sallyport, why and how and rules
• Floor plan of police station with sallyport
• Photo of the desks where people are buzzed into the sally port, what can be seen
• Schedules/ timesheets of who worked that day and how long
• Devers responsibilities when working the desk, is she also doing dispatch? Phone?

So is this a nothingburger, tossing things against the wall?
Or is this a bombshell that wasn’t pursued?

IMO

I wonder if the FBI did their homework to investigate all these questions you have. The defense got their information directly from the FBI investigation after all. Are you now saying the FBI investigation was flawed?
MOO

 

[arielilane]

He testified to playing on company time. The playing with a cannon irrelevant to the case. Just my opinion- not fact!

 

[Wishbone]

AJ had the chance to ask her. It was his witness. IMO

With her “false memory” problems I don't see the point in asking her anything more as she obviously has memory problems which make her answers unreliable. JMOO

 

[missy1974]

He testified to playing on company time. The playing with a cannon irrelevant to the case. Just my opinion- not fact!

ARCCA was given a set of facts and evidence and looked at numerous theories, one including the glass being thrown at the tail light.

Considering the CW has yet to give us a coherent theory, ARCCA looking at numerous possibilities is a bit more representative of what most people are thinking... how did this happen?

ARCCA just has the ability and the brains to do the testing.

IMO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Based on Dr Wolfe's testimony about replicating the damage of a glass striking the taillight:
JOK exited the vehicle, walked 37 steps onto the lawn, threw his glass at the taillight in anger because Karen refused to come into the house with him, breaking the taillight and his drinking glass, then became unstable on his feet due to his intoxication, fell backwards onto his head, resulting in his head splitting open by blunt force trauma, with him eventually dying because of his drunken behavior.
MOO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1930984389380379113

 

[ShadyLady]

I disagree and probably should have added a disclaimer to my earlier post where I linked LT Gallagher's testimony from the first trial regarding control of the CPD Sally Port doors by the dispatch center/computer. I apologize for this.

First, I believe without a doubt that Officer Dever saw what she recalled in vivid detail and reported to the FBI under oath! She did not misremember anything.

Instead, I believe it was the timeline by the defense (that Dever later compared against her testimony to the FBI) that was in error! In other words, this is why the defense did not further challenge Dever. Dever took advantage of an injustice on the defense... and in my opinion, karma has a long memory.

To be clear, in addition to the inverted Sally Port videos the CW produced for the first time in the middle of the first trial, the defense timeline error was also the result of a gross discovery violation by the CW where the Court failed to remedy the situation -- ruling the CW had no duty to preserve the evidence in secure form (no meta-data, no secure file, etc) and where the defense used unreliable information they could not verify to create a timeline, and Dever took advantage of the defense's error. The Jury instructions to explain the CW discovery violation are yet to be seen.

TBH, I have little confidence this will happen after the Court failed to allow a Motions hearing on the matter pretrial. I had to walk from this case in advance of trial 2.0. The rulings by this Court pretrial were beyond anything I'd ever seen before, and were just too much for me!

In the short edit of the sally port video shown at court you can easily see that there were edits. I man suddenly appears out of the blue. Where is the time code, who did the edits?

 

[arielilane]

The young girls stand out, imo.

@ryanjbreslin


With the buffer zone outside of the Karen Read retrial shrinking, more supporters of Read get a closer view of her as she heads into Norfolk Superior Court.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1930972085716730087

 

[Wishbone]

Takes a sidebar to be able to reveal he was able to be hired by the defense. JMOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Devers eluded to the fact that the defense had threatened her with perjury. It is possible some on the jury who feel unsafe in this high profile trial may have issues with a young single rookie cop being pressured.

How would you know if she is single???
Perjury is a crime. Everybody knows that. She made statements to the FBI and then changed her statement. If she didn't perjure herself, she'd have no reason to be so upset, other than for being publicly brought into court to testify to what she had said, and later retracted.
Pity for her that she had to face the public and the cameras in a very high profile case.
AJ is in the business of defending his clients, and bringing to light the truth, thereby ending careers of arrogant, angry, lying cops, and ineffective "experts".
MOO

 

[AngTxGal]

I wonder if the FBI did their homework to investigate all these questions you have. The defense got their information directly from the FBI investigation after all. Are you now saying the FBI investigation was flawed?
MOO

You are saying the FBI did a wonderful investigation and answered all of the questions I had, which resulted in information so helpful to the defense that they put her on the stand but didn’t address any of those questions?

Or the FBI didn't’ answer those questions- or answered them in a way not helpful to the defense-
But the Defense put her on the stand for a reason not related to the sallyport observation.
What was the reason, I’m missing it

IMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

I swore I would not watch trial 2 either because of all the bias by the judge - also the hiring of mob lawyer Hank Brennan as the special prosecutor who knows no low.
Its hard to watch but luckily most people outside the court catch on to what is actually happening.
I hope the jurors see what's happening.
Trial 2 has been a very different trial compared to trial 1. But once again the P did not come close to proving their case BARD. But there are Karen haters who do not seem to need the P to meet any standard, so I have to figure that at least one of the haters will be on the jury.
So I am anticpating another hung jury/mistrial.

This second trial has been an even bigger black eye/embarrassment for Massachusetts and a huge money suck for Norfolk County. SMDH
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One would really hope that the jury understands that the "A" is singular in Beyond A Reasonable Doubt. Also that if they have just one doubt, in which there have been many established in this case, they must not convict. Herein lies the utmost importance. The anti- KR crowd, needs to admit to themselves that yes atleast one, if not more Reasonable doubts have been produced by the defense. If true justice is too happen in this case as established by the Constitution of the United States of America, Karen Read must be found not guilty. IMO

 

[Leilei]

It’s wild to assume she actually left when she “clocked out”. Let’s say she did indeed clock out at the time she says she did (did they present any actual evidence of this? or are we taking her word for it?). Do we have any proof that she actually LEFT the police station when she clocked out? Do we have proof she didn’t return at some point to see what she says she saw?

What is a logical explanation for her “misremembering” IN VIVID DETAIL what she originally told the FBI?

Strange to me that she left while there was still heavy snow falling, too.

Norwood, MA Weather History | Weather Underground

IMO.

 

[LaineyJ]

Isn’t Massachusetts one of the most educated states? I believe the jurors are seeing and understanding most if not all of what we are - very hard for me to believe KR will be found guilty of murder or manslaughter. I believe it’s an insult to their intelligence for the CW to try and fool them with their “case”…the one where they haven’t proved anything besides the fact that JOK died.

eta imo

 

[Maat99]

So, it was a nothingburger the defense pursued? Why was she called to testify?
We watched hours of the Prosecution literally pulling teeth with Russell…

The Testimony of Devers may have lost jury points for the defense

Devers eluded to the fact that the defense had threatened her with perjury. It is possible some on the jury who feel unsafe in this high profile trial may have issues with a young single rookie cop being pressured.

JMO

Interesting take. If I’m on the jury, and it’s clear that this woman made statements to the FBI that indicated wrongdoings by her co-workers, and then comes up with this false memory BS, I’m thinking why wouldn’t someone tell her she is committing perjury by lying to cover for her fellow officers? That is exactly what happened - she perjured herself. Jmo
Her hostility and faux outrage is even more damning IMO. Can she really not see why everyone thinks she is committing perjury?