MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #32 Retrial

[Angelwatch]

I have stated many times in this forum that I see reasonable doubt everywhere, due to the evidence I’ve seen. No doubt KR will be found- Not Guilty. I’d be shocked if that were not the case.
Does that mean anyone who sees this case differently is delusional, lacking in moral character, supporter of liars, or against justice? No

Have people forgotten…
JOK’s Mom and brother are in support of the Prosecution. They are victims here too.
How did they land on that side? I have a thousand questions here- and zero assumption about who they are as people.

Reserving conclusions, questioning both sides, taking various points of view, and asking as many questions from as many angles as is possible is- Science.
That’s all I’m doing-

IMO

JOK’ mother and brother aren’t germane to the discussion of guilt. It’s not evidence of guilt or innocence. Just like I wouldn’t add up the number of KR supporters and say, “See, she’s innocent. Her supporters say so.” IMO

 

[Anniesflowers]

RSBM

There were plenty of driveways she could have 'nosed' into, then reversed back out and turned around. I don't think reversing for 87 feet+ is a natural 3-point turn maneuver, especially for KR, or on a narrow street without using a driveway. She demonstrated that was her preferred way of turning around on Cedarcrest just 8 minutes earlier. IMO

So we approached from the north. We actually missed the turn, and John says to me it’s Fairview we just passed it, it’s back there, it was on my left, I said alright, so I pull into, nose into a driveway and back out onto the street which I now know is Cedarcrest and then come from the north onto Fairview.

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So yes, why was she backing up in a dangerous manner is the question.

BBM. I’ve been wondering if John would have stood there waiting to be hit by KR’s car. If she’s backing up to hit him at 24mph with her foot 75% down on the petal, I’m thinking her engine is going to make a lot of noise. He’d definitely hear that. Even as drunk as he was, I’m thinking he’d try to get out of the way…….moo

 

[nodamselindistress]

Why couldn't the CW bring a witness to testify to science like this?

Because it would disprove their case?

 

[AngTxGal]

If the prosecution would have at least called these ARCCA guys when they got the report to discuss their conclusions we might not be here right now. Just think of that. All the money the cw spent / Karen’s life on hold her finances depleted etc.
And they had the report for FREE
Aperture cost at least 400 k and their products appeared to be substandard at best.
SMH throughout this trial at the DA’s office and the choices they have made.
JMO

Exactly- this type of Real Science should have been used in the original investigation.
The DA should have expected a higher level of evidence before bringing charges.
There should have been No Trial.
KR deserves to sue for cost of defending herself for charges that should not have been brought against her due to - lack of evidence.
And all of this can be used for her Civil Suit.

Then maybe, just maybe the question- What happened to JOK? Could be answered.

I wonder how his parents and brother are feeling about now.
Is it possible that the two families can make peace and grieve together after this trial??

IMO

 

[jepop]

Because it would disprove their case?

Yes, that's obviously why Imo

 

[Maat99]

<modsnip - quoted post was removed (personalizing)
Here is the evidence:
Devers made a statement to the FBI that implicated multiple officers
Devers later testified that her statement was due to a false memory.

Only one of these can be true.

As an impartial observer, which is a more common and likely event:
A police officer covering for another police officer/police department
A police officer having “false memories” that caused her to create a whole imaginary scenario and report it to the fbi.

And if an impartial observer saw that this police officer is not only still on the job, but has been rewarded with a raise, is it more likely she was rewarded even though she can’t differentiate fantasy from reality? Or because she covered up police misconduct?
Jmo.

 

[waldojabba]

Not understanding the basis of these on the spot rulings. Why is expert criticism of Welcher not permitted? The CW gets to rebut ARCCA. Ofcourse it is up to the jury to compare and contrast but can not one expert mention the failings (in their expert opinion) of another??

What we have been witnessing with this court in real time I believe is a travesty of Justice.
The Judge's disdain for the defense and her bias favoring the Prosecution have been on full display
Its really astounding that it is playing out for the world to see and they don't care !!
Fair and Just? Not here in this case/court proceddings.
The actions of the Judge and the behavior of Brennan DRIP with desperation for the WIN
JMO

 

[bobbymkii]

Because it would disprove their case?

I think @Elliot_Alderson was asking a rhetorical question

 

[nodamselindistress]

Here is the evidence:
Devers made a statement to the FBI that implicated multiple officers
Devers later testified that her statement was due to a false memory.

Only one of these can be true.

As an impartial observer, which is a more common and likely event:
A police officer covering for another police officer/police department
A police officer having “false memories” that caused her to create a whole imaginary scenario and report it to the fbi.

And if an impartial observer saw that this police officer is not only still on the job, but has been rewarded with a raise, is it more likely she was rewarded even though she can’t differentiate fantasy from reality? Or because she covered up police misconduct?
Jmo.

Cover up for police misconduct!! Questions here sure are easy today

 

[nodamselindistress]

I think @Elliot_Alderson was asking a rhetorical question

I think I knew that but wanted to put it out there anyway just in case someone else did not get it.

 

[Leilei]

Well his mom and brother don't talk to KR so they are getting all of their info from JOK's GREAT and CLOSE friends in the McAlbert clan. JMO. Not really hard to see how that well was poisoned.

Some of those great and close friends didn't even go to his funeral.
That speaks volumes.
IMO.

 

[cocomod]

Well his mom and brother don't talk to KR so they are getting all of their info from JOK's GREAT and CLOSE friends in the McAlbert clan. JMO. Not really hard to see how that well was poisoned.

Not to mention, they are getting their distain from the likes of the commissioner and Morrissey - whom hid the results that proved KR didn't hit OJO with a vehicle.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Some of those great and close friends didn't even go to his funeral.
That speaks volumes.
IMO.

Nor could they be bothered to come outside or even get out of bed when their "friend" is lying dead in the snow. JMO

 

[Tortoise]

Ooh look, Dr Wolfe bought the same clothing worn by John O'Keefe.


<modship - snarky>

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Judge Cannone has sustained EVERY objection from the CW today. Over 30.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Not to mention, they are getting their distain from the likes of the commissioner and Morrissey - whom hid the results that proved KR didn't hit OJO with a vehicle.

Exactly. Can you imagine his family in a meeting room with Lally, Brennan, Morrissey? I can,. JMO

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Ooh look, Dr Wolfe bought the same clothing worn by John O'Keefe.
<modsnip - snarky>

I'm not watching. Did he dress the dummy in JOK's clothing?

 

[ShadyLady]

Not to mention, they are getting their distain from the likes of the commissioner and Morrissey - whom hid the results that proved KR didn't hit OJO with a vehicle.

Could the possibility of a civil sue be on their mind?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

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‘Sustaining these objections is ridiculous, separate and apart from the fact that the name "FBI" has been mentioned by prosecution witnesses and at least one witness hostile to the defense. If you are not letting in "FBI"/"DOJ"/ "US Attorney" you have to let them establish that they were engaged by a another party with no affiliation to the defense and at a time when they did not know who Karen Read or other defense members were’

 

[missy1974]

BBM. I’ve been wondering if John would have stood there waiting to be hit by KR’s car. If she’s backing up to hit him at 24mph with her foot 75% down on the petal, I’m thinking her engine is going to make a lot of noise. He’d definitely hear that. Even as drunk as he was, I’m thinking he’d try to get out of the way…….moo

right, at minimum, with the CW theory, she went back 87 feet I think... and that is minimum. Was he just standing there waiting?