NOT GUILTY MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #37 Retrial

[Leilei]

Trial One testimony

Scordi-Bello determined that O'Keefe's skull was broken perhaps from a fall or being hit by a car.

Karen Read murder trial: Profanity-laced voicemails played for jury

6.20.2024

Means nothing, as this is trial two.
IMO.

 

[arielilane]

Pay a fine for the charge of 2nd degree murder? Or do you only think she's guilty of OUI?

Here is the information I spoke about earlier:

He cited media interviews and a five-part docuseries called “A body in the Snow: The Trial of Karen Read" in which Read says, “And then when I hired David Yannetti, I asked him those questions the night of Jan, 29th. ‘Like David what if, I don't know, what if I ran his foot over, or, or, what if I clipped him in the knee and he passed out and or went to care for himself and he threw up or passed out and David said, ‘Yeah then you have some element of culpability.’ So that's how I thought about things for about three days.”

Prosecutors hope to use Turtleboy's phones to show Karen Read's 'consciousness of guilt'

 

[Florida_marlin]

No evidence on his arms either. You might want to rewatch the testimony. There was no site of impact.

Correct. No evidence on the arm, the supposed point of impact.

 

[turaj]

I am thinking right after lunch today with lunch being on the early side. There is no way they are going to want to come back on Friday. Bev's replies so far have been less than helpful so doubt any more questions coming...they will just render the verdict. I have to think one or more want oui option 5 but are scared of what it means and if it implies the manslaughter. I see it as stand alone but some must not.

 

[jepop]

I don't know about anyone else but I am looking forward to watching a trial where there is a non biased judge that I can respect and be proud of our judicial system. This trial has been an embarrassment.

Also anxiety producing. She is unpredictable. Imo you could see the defense walking on egg shells throughout much of the trial before reaching points at various intervals where it became necessary to confront her head on. I really noticed AJ's gratitude and careful verbal deference and spoken praise yesterday when cannone finally allowed the defense recommended alterations to the count 2 slip.

Imo you could never know from one day to the next, one hour to the next, the form this judge's behaviour would take. A bias ruling? A petty talk back and snarky snap? Talking over the attorney's? A sudden voir dire? Not sustaining objections that should have been and vice versa? Talking back to attorneys? Unfairly limiting testimony of witnesses? Publically castigating the defense? Not publically admonishing the prosecutor for either deliberately misleading the jury or acting in reckless disregard of his responsibilities? Take your pick. Jmo

 

[Anniesflowers]

I've amended my post - apologies, it was the blood on the back of his pants she was referring to. I've linked the testimony there with timestamp.

No worries! It happens…it’s certainly happened to me

 

[nodamselindistress]

I am thinking right after lunch today with lunch being on the early side. There is no way they are going to want to come back on Friday. Bev's replies so far have been less than helpful so doubt any more questions coming...they will just render the verdict. I have to think one or more want oui option 5 but are scared of what it means and if it implies the manslaughter. I see it as stand alone but some must not.

OUI should have been a separate stand alone charge. Not sure why it was put under manslaughter charge.

 

[geevee]

Here is the information I spoke about earlier:

He cited media interviews and a five-part docuseries called “A body in the Snow: The Trial of Karen Read" in which Read says, “And then when I hired David Yannetti, I asked him those questions the night of Jan, 29th. ‘Like David what if, I don't know, what if I ran his foot over, or, or, what if I clipped him in the knee and he passed out and or went to care for himself and he threw up or passed out and David said, ‘Yeah then you have some element of culpability.’ So that's how I thought about things for about three days.”

Prosecutors hope to use Turtleboy's phones to show Karen Read's 'consciousness of guilt'

Lots of what-ifs in there, no admissions, imo.

 

[turaj]

Huh, I considered the way she treated the children, clearly not hers, who she “spoiled” as a part of her character.

If I were to judge people by their language, I’d not be fond of many people that I know. I wouldn’t even be fond of myself.

I think Karen found herself in a relationship with a much bigger package than she really wanted at this stage of her life. Step kids were probably a given in a relationship but not so young and living with the parent full time. In this case not even the parent. I think she wanted the carefree life of a 40's professional but fell in love with John. I think the day to day was stressful and at times yes she has some really vile language...not ususual these days. But none of this adds up to her killing JOK.

 

[turaj]

OUI should have been a separate stand alone charge. Not sure why it was put under manslaughter charge.

yes it is the position of it under Manslaughter than has them worried and why I think rather than hang they will just go with NG. If I were on the jury even if I wanted OUI I would be fine with NG..KR has been thru a worse hell in the last years. If they go well into the afternoon they going to start thinking it is a bigger difference in opinions.

 

[arielilane]

Lots of what-ifs in there, no admissions, imo.

She's made plenty of admissions. Maybe you missed them?

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

She's made plenty of admissions. Maybe you missed them?

Or they base their opinions on actual science and not faces that a defendant makes JMO

 

[mzmarymac]

As for any utterances or admissions of KR, they are no more than ours. Could I have hit him and not known? I believe the science proves she didn't hit him and cause his death, but at best there is certainly enough reasonable doubt to drive a truck through, even if you do think she hit him.

 

[Moonstrawbs]

Trial One testimony

Scordi-Bello determined that O'Keefe's skull was broken perhaps from a fall or being hit by a car.

Karen Read murder trial: Profanity-laced voicemails played for jury

6.20.2024

‘Perhaps’? That’s far too uncertain. Why are we even at a second trial accusing KR of a crime when we can’t say with certainty how JO died?

If I was a juror the only question I'd be asking is what on earth are we doing here?! JMO.

 

[Anniesflowers]

She's made plenty of admissions. Maybe you missed them?

when considering those statements, tone matters. IMO

 

[arielilane]

@cathyrusson


Interesting to note that jurors can deliberate through lunch. I don't think we'll know what they choose or how long of a break, so we'll keep our verdict clock running.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1935364158440227037

 

[turaj]

Also anxiety producing. She is unpredictable. Imo you could see the defense walking on egg shells throughout much of the trial before reaching points at various intervals where it became necessary to confront her head on. I really noticed AJ's gratitude and careful verbal deference and spoken praise yesterday when cannone finally allowed the defense recommended alterations to the count 2 slip.

Imo you could never know from one day to the next, one hour to the next, the form this judge's behaviour would take. A bias ruling? A petty talk back and snarky snap? Talking over the attorney's? A sudden voir dire? Not sustaining objections that should have been and vice versa? Talking back to attorneys? Unfairly limiting testimony of witnesses? Publically castigating the defense? Not publically admonishing the prosecutor for either deliberately misleading the jury or acting in reckless disregard of his responsibilities? Take your pick. Jmo

and how refreshing to return to a trial where an objection is not an immediate signal for sidebar? I think that really got to the jurors. It should be objection .hearsay....asked and answered......beyond the scope and move on. I found the way she runs her court at least for this trial infuriating.

 

[LittleSeaTree]

IMO they’re not hung on manslaughter at all, they’re hung on OUI.

Definitely. imo

 

[Vaderman]

I kinda figured it'd be a quick turn around this morning. Looks like the waiting continues.

 

[mickey2942]

Exactly, these verdict forms appear to be written for those well-versed in the law, not ordinary citizens just trying to fulfill their civic duty.

Let's completely obfuscate the law and make interpretation as complicated as possible.

Mission accomplished.