NOT GUILTY MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #38 Retrial

[Leilei]

Interesting that Berkowitz call BH first thing in the morning...

Just sometimes conspiracies are true.

People will now feel freer to talk about what really goes on in that town.

Now that those who "run the town" failed to take KR down, I think that Canton citizens won't be as fearful to speak up and speak out.
And that's a good thing
IMO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

duplicate

 

[Florida_marlin]

While I think the whole process of investigation and prosecution stunk to high heavens, I will say that some of the undisputed truths that came out in this trial confirmed issues we have seen before--- rogue cops with little to no transparency, people covering for each other, and huge potential drinking issues among many of the players in this case (including drinking and driving, driving with open containers, drinking copious amounts of alcohol). I still wonder what the female officer saw when she went into the Sally Port and why was she refusing to cooperate (or why did noone interview her prior to she was called to testify. It is never good when a fraternity is willing to fudge things to cover their own. JMHO.

Yes! I was undergoing void dire once as a prospective juror when asked if I was more likely to believe a police officer because of their position. I broke out laughing and said “heck no”! Needless to say, I was subjected to one of the prosecution’s freebie strikes.

The corruption in this jurisdiction needs to be fully exposed and eliminated. Top down.

 

[missy1974]

I thought she had finished her first shift and then when they got the call went on overtime until 3:30 p.m.?

I believe she was on patrol until the call came in. I remember her saying she was in her car in the parking lot or something like that.

 

[ShadyLady]

Now that those who "run the town" failed to take KR down, I think that Canton citizens won't be as fearful to speak up and speak out.
And that's a good thing
IMO.

Exactly!! That was what I was thinking. The veil is broken.

 

[Angelwatch]

I take such issue with people (not here) that just throw out the old "she got away with murder" and the whole "travesty of justice" claims from the McAlberts. This verdict wasn't given because of wild accusations or gossip or conspiracy theories or celebrity. It should be obvious to everyone that this judge and the CW did EVERYTHING they could to keep as much evidence of innocence out of this trial and yet still couldn't convict.

Want to know how I know she is innocent? One look at her lawyers. These lawyers adore this woman and you can honestly see that they are 100% convinced of her innocence. They have worked day and night (for free mind you) and know every piece of inside information about this case. Just look at Yanetti crying. Lawyers don't cry!

Finally, for those who do believe she was guilty and "got away with it" stop blaming Karen, or TB or her fans or her lawyers. Blame the Canton PD. Blame Michael Proctor. Blame the people who lied, destroyed phones, and acted super suspicious. Heck, sorry to say, but blame JOK for relying on KR to be his designated driver while he watched her drink.

Ask the questions and respect the fact that there was enough reasonable doubt in this case that a conviction would have been completely unjustified. Ask why JOK didn't look like a pretzel. Ask why the CW couldn't prove a collision. I began looking into this case assuming (I know that's wrong) that she was 100% guilty and it was a process for me to go from guilty to not guilty to innocent.

The McAlberts will never accept the verdict because it points the finger at them. I doubt they’ll ever slither back into their respective holes. They aren’t the type. They’ll continue to be the nasty awful people that they are.

What’s wild are the claims that with enough money you can get away with murder. Ummm, hello…..The CW brought in a special prosecutor costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. They paid 400k to Aperture. If it came down to money, the CW probably spent as much as the defense.

I didn’t watch Proctor last night on principal. I’ll catch a recap somewhere that the network doesn’t get credit for my watch. He should have apologized to the OKeefe family. He should have approached the investigation with the utmost of honesty and integrity. He failed the Okeefes.

And Paul OKeefe is gross if he really had to be moved because he was leering at a young female juror. What a creep.

 

[DustysMom]

My guess is that there were things going on in the house that they didn't want others to see.
IMO.

Ahhhhh -
I did wonder how Jr was able to talk 3 girls into joining him for a birthday celebration at his home. Maybe Colin dropped off some party favors ?
All supposition, obviously!

 

[Florida_marlin]

His final paycheck will likely be over $500,000 for eight months of work. Not bad for any attorney.

Special prosecutor’s pay in second Karen Read trial could surpass half-million dollars

The verdict in Karen Read’s second trial will likely go down as the most expensive drunk-driving conviction in the history of the Commonwealth.

www.nbcboston.com

Easy money for him. Really nothing to lose. He’s not a committed prosecutor that has dedicated his professional career to seeking justice for victims. Just a hired gun. Money for nothin’.

So, he lost. Hurt his reputation? Naw. Even if it did, he’s got half a million to soothe his ego.

 

[floridafreshsqueez]

It’s tough to say but agree that while the bar is lower in civil it’ll be tough in this instance since there isn’t even a motor vehicle accident or much of anything in that regard nevermind the forensics. Interesting also those that this far haven’t been named in the civil suit including the Alberts homeowner policy. Maybe that’ll change,

I honestly hope so. It would seem the Alberts immediately encircled the O’Keefe’s to plant seeds in their minds about Karen.

It reminds me of cases where the killers participated in searches, went over to the families homes to “comfort” them only for it to be uncovered that they were involved.

I understand disappointment in not getting justice for a loved one. But everyone deserves a fair trial, KR was pegged as a murdering “Ice Queen” before trial 1 even began. Victims families have to understand that when the state gets it wrong, valuable time and resources are wasted. Even IF the person on trial is guilty, a shoddy investigation and corruption creates appellate issues that could result in a conviction being overturned.

I believe in their heart of hearts, the O’Keefe’s knew KR wasn’t guilty. But they wanted someone to pay. They were manipulated and convinced by the Real Housewives of Canton that KR was so reckless and callous, that she left her boyfriend to die on someone’s front lawn.

KR is not that dissimilar from JOK’s sister and mom, career wise. Allegedly, JOK was fighting with his family over money for the kids. I’m willing to bet my own money that KR had some thoughts/recommendations on how that money should be invested/distributed for the kids. And why shouldn’t she? Financial asset management was her domain, so much so that she was successful and well-off herself…until the CW basically destroyed her career and finances.

I could see a world where Peggy didn’t want her advice or opinions on the kids. KR was “just a girlfriend” even though she went above and beyond to help care for JOK’s niece and nephew, during COVID, which was hard for everyone including parents. KR was teaching at the college level, then she was thrust into caring and helping the kids with school full-time while working from home.

She “spoiled” them with gifts and saw the deep anguish the death of their parents caused, she wanted to help even if it was just materially. She encouraged JOK to get therapy…he wasn’t a fan.

KR tried her best and it wasn’t enough for the O’Keefe’s, IDK why. Now, they need to move on and open their minds and eyes.

 

[geevee]

I believe she was on patrol until the call came in. I remember her saying she was in her car in the parking lot or something like that.

Yes, I was thinking she was in the parking lot getting ready to leave when the call came in, I don't recall her (or anyone) saying she was on patrol (though that could be the case), but since she was in the control room when on overtime, I figured that was where she had been on her shift.

 

[Forest_Wood]

It's really telling that Brian Higgins was not included in that statement from the gang!
I wonder if he got demoted from his friendship with them?
It always bothered me that Brian Higgins, the big galoot that he is, stated in testimony that he was close friends with Brian Albert and Kevin Albert, while Brian Albert testified he didn't consider BH a close friend. There was distancing by the Alberts right from the beginning.
I saw BH as trying to fit in with whomever would include him, that he always wanted to have company or be with someone, usually at a bar or drinking events, and that he didn't fit anywhere really, like a leaf blowing in the wind.
I found that he lurked around Karen Read likely even before he "drove by" John's home and went out of his way to turn his car around to talk to her when she flipped him off and told him her bf was a Boston cop.
She picked up on his attraction to her, and when KR finally paid some attention to him, he thought he'd won the lottery! At the same time, because he's such a loser, he couldn't believe she'd be interested in him and could never embrace it, constantly questioning her like an insecure man that was always defensive with her, insinuating this or that, such as what we read in those texts. I don't believe he cared one bit about John O'Keefe with his flirting with Karen Read. He only cared about being found out.
I still think he did something that night to affect John O'Keefe's life.
MOO

 

[themonk]

dbm

 

[ShadyLady]

I honestly hope so. It would seem the Alberts immediately encircled the O’Keefe’s to plant seeds in their minds about Karen.

It reminds me of cases where the killers participated in searches, went over to the families homes to “comfort” them only for it to be uncovered that they were involved.

I understand disappointment in not getting justice for a loved one. But everyone deserves a fair trial, KR was pegged as a murdering “Ice Queen” before trial 1 even began. Victims families have to understand that when the state gets it wrong, valuable time and resources are wasted. Even IF the person on trial is guilty, a shoddy investigation and corruption creates appellate issues that could result in a conviction being overturned.

I believe in their heart of hearts, the O’Keefe’s knew KR wasn’t guilty. But they wanted someone to pay. They were manipulated and convinced by the Real Housewives of Canton that KR was so reckless and callous, that she left her boyfriend to die on someone’s front lawn.

KR is not that dissimilar from JOK’s sister and mom, career wise. Allegedly, JOK was fighting with his family over money for the kids. I’m willing to bet my own money that KR had some thoughts/recommendations on how that money should be invested/distributed for the kids. And why shouldn’t she? Financial asset management was her domain, so much so that she was successful and well-off herself…until the CW basically destroyed her career and finances.

I could see a world where Peggy didn’t want her advice or opinions on the kids. KR was “just a girlfriend” even though she went above and beyond to help care for JOK’s niece and nephew, during COVID, which was hard for everyone including parents. KR was teaching at the college level, then she was thrust into caring and helping the kids with school full-time while working from home.

She “spoiled” them with gifts and saw the deep anguish the death of their parents caused, she wanted to help even if it was just materially. She encouraged JOK to get therapy…he wasn’t a fan.

KR tried her best and it wasn’t enough for the O’Keefe’s, IDK why. Now, they need to move on and open their minds and eyes.

Yes, Peg had no love for Karen, and neither did Keri. And remember Keri picked up Peg to take her to the hospital, so I'm sure Keri blamed Karen from the start. Keri and John had dated in the past. Maybe she resented Karen. For sure was jealous.

And Keri and Jen screeching in court that Karen kept calling their names was creepy. Connected at the hip. Friendly to your face, stab you in the back.

 

[ShadyLady]

It's really telling that Brian Higgins was not included in that statement from the gang!
I wonder if he got demoted from his friendship with them?
It always bothered me that Brian Higgins, the big galoot that he is, stated in testimony that he was close friends with Brian Albert and Kevin Albert, while Brian Albert testified he didn't consider BH a close friend. There was distancing from the Alberts right from the beginning.
I saw BH as trying to fit in with whomever would include him, that he always wanted to have company or be with someone, usually at a bar or drinking events, and that he didn't fit anywhere really, like a leaf blowing in the wind.
I found that he lurked around Karen Read likely even before he "drove by" John's home and went out of his way to turn his car around to talk to her when she flipped him off and told him her bf was a Boston cop.
She picked up on his attraction to her, and when KR finally paid some attention to him, he thought he'd won the lottery! At the same time, because he's such a loser, he couldn't believe she'd be interested in him and could never embrace it, constantly questioning her like an insecure man that always defensive with her. I don't believe he cared one bit about John O'Keefe in his flirting with Karen Read. He only cared about being found out.
I still think he did something that night to affect John O'Keefe's life.
MOO

I think ChrisA set Higgins up to go after John.

 

[Forest_Wood]

She encouraged JOK to get therapy…he wasn’t a fan.

I didn't know KR encouraged John to get therapy. For what?

 

[rescuemom]

Bederow's take on the 'house party participants' statement after the verdict...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1935450941278535878

Speaks of some guilt, IMO, why the need to speak at all. Like anyone anywhere even cares what they think.

 

[sunshineray]

I may be misreading you but your post appears to innately make what might be considered serious accusations aimed at the jurors; ie that they lied to the judge and attorney's during voir dire re prior knowledge of the case and/or lied to the judge when she asked her daily questions of them. IMO if so, this is entirely not called for.

I'm entitled to my own opinions.

 

[ShadyLady]

Speaks of some guilt, IMO, why the need to speak at all. Like anyone anywhere even cares what they think.

They know all eyes on them....

 

[rescuemom]

Karen's father speaks.

Pure Class.

 

[sunshineray]

Or they didn't think she did it based on the evidence. Just because you do doesnt mean anyone else does JMO

I'm aware of that.