I only spoke with a few people while there, including LE. I said to LE "this place doesn't feel like it used to when I was last here, it honestly feels a little unnerving". He said "it doesn't feel the same to any of us". I don't want to read into it too much but to me that statement implies that they have maybe not ruled out the possibility of this being random. That there is a killer out there among them. It's very unsettled. I did see a few groups of younger girls, high school age, eating lunch at MSM, talking about normal stuff. I know that I personally thought about the crime the entire time I was there in town. I didn't feel relaxed about it. It's very bothersome to visit that area and especially the scene.
I don't agree with the scenario, but just for the sake of examination, it depends which way he exited BSR.Love John walsh. I think VM was "kind of known" to him. And possibly vice-versa. But I believe she was caught right after she left the driveway, within minutes. To me that points toward someone with recent immediate knowledge of her plans that day.
I understand there are questions about the accuracy of the phone "ping", especially when shut off. I do know that typically the find my iPhone is very accurate, to within tens of feet. When off this may extend to a couple hundred feet or so. BUT
Just for the sake of examination, can we suppose the killer fled the scene with her phone in his vehicle, and realized he had it or had to address it when his racing mind was tying up loose ends, as he drove past the mountain barn. When he immediately shut the phone off. In this scenario- what does his direction of exit tell us?
Looking at the map, the perp would then have been traveling south on 31, toward Holden ( The most populous of the five towns surrounding the area and therefore statistically the most likely area where a "local "killer might live. It is away from the towns of Sterling, hubbardston, Princeton and Leominster. It is also in the direction of the much larger city of Worcester, but the main way to Worcester would have been to head east on route 62. In fact. IF WE ARE ASSUMING A LOCAL, FAMILIAR WITH THE ROADS AND ROUTES, an exit past the mountain barn is MOST DIRECTLY TO HOLDEN. Each of the other towns are more easily accessed via alternative routes which would have taken the killer in directions away from Mountain Barn. Also, the escape to Worcester would have been faster and more direct via rt 62/140/190. Something that a local would very likely know.
So, are we looking for someone in Holden? They could have been in the safety of their own home in 10-15 minutes.
Ok, going on the theory she knew him somewhat, but not necessarily a relationship. I wonder if anyone saw her running with someone in the past? Could he have come across her while out exercising himself and talked with her before on the route? So she casually knew him? Then if she headed to the store and came across him he may have asked to meet up and run together? Would she have?
If they are not communicating with each other, and it's not an ongoing thing, and more of a one off event, then I see no motive for her to want to tell his wife, nor do I see a motive for murder.If anything happened btw her and her killer I don't think it was the type of thing where they were in communication or super close.
I only suggested that perhaps she had alternate plans other then the store ...regardless of what these ulternative plans were...it seems more likely she had alternative plans then ran into someone on her way there.
But it seems there would be some indication somewhere of what these other plans where or her phone would at least have told LE at this point where she was when she was at "the store".
If she makes it to the parking lot but doesnt go in...then the only thing I see is she got rattled.
I'm not sure of it would be more likely to have been intercepted or have been misleading about plans.
One last thought, IF it was a married man...he might not be a millennial and HIS digital footprint might be significantly less over all period. But again I doubt even if there was something they were communicating with each other. I see it as more of a one off event, not an ongoing thing.
Could very well be, but, If they knew each other that well where they ran together, than my bet is that her Mom knew about him too.Ok, going on the theory she knew him somewhat, but not necessarily a relationship. I wonder if anyone saw her running with someone in the past? Could he have come across her while out exercising himself and talked with her before on the route? So she casually knew him? Then if she headed to the store and came across him he may have asked to meet up and run together? Would she have?
Respectfully, when you write "bothersome", can you define it more narrowly ? TIA...
I don't agree with the scenario, but just for the sake of examination, it depends which way he exited BSR.
If he went north, then yes, he would be traveling south on Rt 31.
If he went south to Ball Hill Rd. then he would be heading north.
Can anyone show facts that she was attacked at the beginning of the route right away?
Just how busy is the Mountain Side?
I know it must vary depending on the time of day, but is it busy overall where there would be a line at the counter? Not the Deli counter, the check out counter.
Could very well be, but, If they knew each other that well where they ran together, than my bet is that her Mom knew about him too.
I guess we can make any scenario fit. How's this?...If the subject vehicle was parked along the side of BSR at the cart path, presumably it was facing north with traffic. Which might explain why he passed mph rain barn even though it would have been simpler to go south on BSR.
I guess we can make any scenario fit. How's this?...
The road is wide enough to do a 360 easy, and he didn't want to to into town because his face was scratched up and didn't want anyone to see him, so he turned around and went south?
Yes, but he wouldn't have had to stop at the stop sign and take the risk of sitting there to be seen.Great point- So he could have gone south to avoid town and then turned and passed mountain barn heading north, But then he would have basically been passing right through the area he had been trying to avoid, wouldn't he?
Yes, but he wouldn't have had to stop at the stop sign and take the risk of sitting there to be seen.
Still wondering why someone that just killed someone, would want anything to do with that phone. That's like having an ELT strapped to him. If he had it in his car, he didn't forget it, and if she was in the car and he didn't realize she left it there (even though if she's in jogging shorts it would have been in her hand), then I see a different place where her body would have been found, because I don't see him bringing her back there.Great point- So he could have gone south to avoid town and then turned and passed mountain barn heading north, But then he would have basically been passing right through the area he had been trying to avoid, wouldn't he?
Still wondering why someone that just killed someone, would want anything to do with that phone. That's like having an ELT strapped to him. If he had it in his car, he didn't forget it, and if she was in the car and he didn't realize she left it there (even though if she's in jogging shorts it would have been in her hand), then I see a different place where her body would have been found, because I don't see him bringing her back there.
I say that ping came from the phone that was in the woods where she was killed, and due to it being shut off, the area of the ping was expanded. That's more logical.