Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #1

[CARIIS]

Do we know if they drove over there or subway.

In either case, would the big bridge be in sight from southy, or visible walking from station to bar,

And or if they drove, would they cross it or see it on their way in.

 

[sun16]

No, this area/bridge is the complete opposite way of Southie.

 

[Momoffourboys]

http://m.wcvb.com/news/divers-resume-search-for-man-who-vanished-from-boston-bar/38144076



Look at where the walk ends. Could he have tried to get over to the bridge/rail and slipped/fell in?

 

[sun16]

Why Zha? Asking as I can envision with path he was on, or maybe we wouldn't know that without seeing video. No curb, rail, anything? I don't know -- if you slip, wouldn't you just fall on your rear?

 

[CARIIS]

A law enforcement official briefed on the case said the video shows Marr on a walkway over the water before he apparently disappeared into the water.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/02/23/boston-police-divers-search-for-missing-harvard-man/pLMo6ls3KrMVveRGYDQFDM/story.html

The video shows a male heading toward the water and disappearing,” said Boston Police Commissioner William Evans. “We believe that is him. It’s a sad case.”

i am visual person. I get such different images of someone " entering" the water". I shall enter the pool now.

Or I "dissapeard" from the pool.

Or we saw him jump,

Or we saw him slip

or he was walking very sloppily

In this sitution someone seen "entering" the water , does not sound to me like a guy that accidently started walked into a body of water.

If this were an accident, posted details of drowning ealrier, folks that frozen, dont just stroll into a lake or whatever

IMo entering strikes me like behavior with "intent."

We also know he was not familiar with area. So we would have to say he could have gone north east west or south - so he had a 75% chance of going a way further from water.

If we go with accidental becasue he is so obliterated, He "informed them of his intent to smoke. (Organiized at that point - again thinking to some degree), as oppossed to just going out for smoke without letting anyone kno. He advise of "plan" Sounds oriented to me.

He had the cognative capacity to know he ought to let them know he cant get back in (logiical organzied/aware of what is going on around him, and responding to things, that, around him are changing /problem solving and adaptive behaviors) .

when asked he told them he was out front. He was able to provide intent of future plans "Let's leave""

We all know alcohol diminses just with the pasage of time. We also know that a blast of cold air when stepping out , with no jacket would zap ya back somewhere, yet with the passage of time he becomes less oriented.

Does any of this cogntive organization sound like someone who would in what 25 minutes being so blitzed that he enters a body of water?

That does not sound like drunk IMO - it sounds orgainzed, intentful. In his alleged so messed up that he accidetly ends up dead in a body of water - not jiving.

If he that messed, and walked that far, in that condition it seems unlilkly that a passerby that night would remeember a sloppy drunk walking around for a mile in sweater.

It sure seems as if the next morning a passerby who passed, learned what happened would certainly recall a guy stumbling undressed..

Boston is big. The notion that nooone saw him, on Friday night , right after clubs letting out, for a miles well.........................................

where as a person walking with intent, like he seems to be in the second pic, i would think a passerby would just think he is homeless wondering the street cause he is not wearing normative clothing for conditions that night.

 

[CARIIS]

Google maps tells me the walk from the Bell in Hand to the North Station is about 10-12 minutes. That isn't that far away, IMO.

Is that walking or driving - cause when I did I got simliar numbers by car??

 

[CARIIS]

There's also a jail and sheriff's department there on Nashua Street. Definitely covered in cameras.

If they were ok acknowleding they had video, and he was stumbling around wouldn't ya think they would say something -- all these end up no foul play when we know the one in P-town was a complete police coverup and flat out lie.

Family hired an investiagor who found out all BS forensically. His phone was never in water, and the water sensor in the phone had been removed .

PS the cop who was invtigating -- owned the land under the bar oopppsss and the wife of other cop invstigator owned the bar itself opppssss again

Pretty sure it was the Grgegory Hart one

 

[carbuff]

Is that walking or driving - cause when I did I got simliar numbers by car??

There are many areas of Boston where one-way streets, narrow streets, odd corners, etc. etc. mean that it's faster to walk than to drive.

 

[CARIIS]

Cog are you here!! They have talked about the big bridge for a bit, then they are talking about some railroad. Are we getting mixed up where they started searching, searched today, where the vidoe cam location was and the body of water he "entered"?



Lost-- is there a pic of they place where they said they have him on video - they are all over the place TIA

 

[carbuff]

If they were ok acknowleding they had video, and he was stumbling around wouldn't ya think they would say something -- all these end up no foul play when we know the one in P-town was a complete police coverup and flat out lie.

Family hired an investiagor who found out all BS forensically. His phone was never in water, and the water sensor in the phone had been removed .

PS the cop who was invtigating -- owned the land under the bar oopppsss and the wife of other cop invstigator owned the bar itself opppssss again

Pretty sure it was the Grgegory Hart one

I thought that was Providence, not P-town? Or am I remembering a different case?

Providence is a city that's corrupt from top to bottom. And that's what the people who like it will tell you.

 

[CARIIS]

I tried to correct it but it was past the editing point by the time it was pointed out

I got it messed up as well. The 10 min part was how to long get "out" of bar!!

 

[rotary_dial]

Matthew Marr, Zachary’s father, said police recently contacted the family about the grim footage, which shows Marr on a walkway, and then walking on train tracks before he disappears into the water.

Source

Caption: A small inflatable boat was used to get under a bridge near North Station Tuesday as authorities resumed their search for Zachary Marr, a 22-year-old man from the town of Harvard who has been missing since Feb. 13.


Here's a photo of the area for reference:

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

 

[CARIIS]

I haven't read or heard every word of what they said yet, but unless they have video of him slipping and falling into the water ... no ... you know what?, what are you even doing there in the first place? This doesn't make sense. And saying what they said makes no sense unless they have other info. This is stupid.

I agree- even with releasing info still all confusing. And if they have that they know what camera angle. They should easily be able to get some other video from aarea cameras. It will help the know:

did he appear blized
suffering from the cold
did he interact with person or vehicle
what route did he take (could give clues to what he was trying to do.
Did he stop into a convence store to warm up
Was he using his cell phone at any time
did he appear lost
was he ever in or out of a car


trace his path back poor guy is dead, we all want to know what happened for real, and IMO with video we would have that --its the 10 th biggest city in us of a, .

If there are a couple of "cameraless" areas, they could still kinow which other cameras to seek to get back his "trail"

 

[Momoffourboys]

Source

Caption: A small inflatable boat was used to get under a bridge near North Station Tuesday as authorities resumed their search for Zachary Marr, a 22-year-old man from the town of Harvard who has been missing since Feb. 13.


Here's a photo of the area for reference:

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

Much better picture than mine. Lol.
But, yes. That's the walk. It ends at the water. Adjacent is the bridge and rail.

 

[sun16]

I'm still having trouble understanding which particular walkway he was on.

 

[sun16]

oh never mind, I think I see.

 

[wendybtn]

A law enforcement official briefed on the case said the video shows Marr on a walkway over the water before he apparently disappeared into the water.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/02/23/boston-police-divers-search-for-missing-harvard-man/pLMo6ls3KrMVveRGYDQFDM/story.html

The video shows a male heading toward the water and disappearing,” said Boston Police Commissioner William Evans. “We believe that is him. It’s a sad case.”

i am visual person. I get such different images of someone " entering" the water". I shall enter the pool now.

Or I "dissapeard" from the pool.

Or we saw him jump,

Or we saw him slip

or he was walking very sloppily

In this sitution someone seen "entering" the water , does not sound to me like a guy that accidently started walked into a body of water.

If this were an accident, posted details of drowning ealrier, folks that frozen, dont just stroll into a lake or whatever

IMo entering strikes me like behavior with "intent."

We also know he was not familiar with area. So we would have to say he could have gone north east west or south - so he had a 75% chance of going a way further from water.

If we go with accidental becasue he is so obliterated, He "informed them of his intent to smoke. (Organiized at that point - again thinking to some degree), as oppossed to just going out for smoke without letting anyone kno. He advise of "plan" Sounds oriented to me.

He had the cognative capacity to know he ought to let them know he cant get back in (logiical organzied/aware of what is going on around him, and responding to things, that, around him are changing /problem solving and adaptive behaviors) .

when asked he told them he was out front. He was able to provide intent of future plans "Let's leave""

We all know alcohol diminses just with the pasage of time. We also know that a blast of cold air when stepping out , with no jacket would zap ya back somewhere, yet with the passage of time he becomes less oriented.

Does any of this cogntive organization sound like someone who would in what 25 minutes being so blitzed that he enters a body of water?

That does not sound like drunk IMO - it sounds orgainzed, intentful. In his alleged so messed up that he accidetly ends up dead in a body of water - not jiving.

If he that messed, and walked that far, in that condition it seems unlilkly that a passerby that night would remeember a sloppy drunk walking around for a mile in sweater.

It sure seems as if the next morning a passerby who passed, learned what happened would certainly recall a guy stumbling undressed..

Boston is big. The notion that nooone saw him, on Friday night , right after clubs letting out, for a miles well.........................................

where as a person walking with intent, like he seems to be in the second pic, i would think a passerby would just think he is homeless wondering the street cause he is not wearing normative clothing for conditions that night.

We do not know what else he may have taken that night. As I understand from 20 something's these days, it is very common for someone to go out for a night of drinking while taking some pills before or during the evening out. He left shortly before the bar closed and did not attempt to go back in. Was he on a drug run? Doing drugs he already owned away from his cousins? We really have no idea if he was in a complete blackout or barely buzzed.
I think the police say "entered" simply as a statement of fact, intending to not indicate intent, self or others involved, as that is the ME's job to determine cause and manner of death.

 

[carbuff]

Cog are you here!! They have talked about the big bridge for a bit, then they are talking about some railroad. Are we getting mixed up where they started searching, searched today, where the vidoe cam location was and the body of water he "entered"?



Lost-- is there a pic of they place where they said they have him on video - they are all over the place TIA

I think they're just on the railroad bridge to scout out the water below. You can get a really good view looking down on the water. The river is tidal at that point so even if they know exactly where he entered the water, they don't know where his body might have been carried to. So if they're checking locations quite a distance from there, that's why.

(ETA: apparently they were also checking out gaps in the bridge.)

There are half a dozen bridges and walkways over the river; I think Googlemaps shows most of them though I thought there was a footbridge that isn't showing up. There are also a number of docks and boat landings where people can put in with shells, kayaks, small sailboats, etc. https://goo.gl/maps/4xxUnhBZU6E2

The place where they've been looking, variously identified as the old Spaulding Hospital, Nashua Street, Nashua Street parking, is where you get to if you keep walking past the TD Garden/North Station building. It's primarily a commercial and recreational area, so it's pretty empty late at night and not terribly well lit.

One thing about Boston is that it's out on a peninsula. No matter where you are, if you start walking and keep walking, odds are you will end up at water. The harbor, several rivers, several channels, ponds and reservoirs, lots of stuff to drown in.

I don't think he had the intention of going to the water. No, he wasn't terribly drunk, but he was almost certainly hypothermic.

When you're hypothermic, your brain slows down. Your judgement fades. It's common for hypothermic people to latch onto one idea and pursue it through hell and high water, or keep walking with no idea where they are. Then as your body temperature continues to drop, your fine muscle control starts to go. You get clumsy. Not much after that, your major muscles stop working and you can't even walk. (http://www.emedicinehealth.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=124962)

Alcohol consumption can make you lose heat more quickly.

 

[carbuff]

We do not know what else he may have taken that night. As I understand from 20 something's these days, it is very common for someone to go out for a night of drinking while taking some pills before or during the evening out. He left shortly before the bar closed and did not attempt to go back in. Was he on a drug run? Doing drugs he already owned away from his cousins? We really have no idea if he was in a complete blackout or barely buzzed.
I think the police say "entered" simply as a statement of fact, intending to not indicate intent, self or others involved, as that is the ME's job to determine cause and manner of death.

BBM -- yes, that's the common phrasing around here for a drowning victim. It's what happened; no implication as to how it happened.

 

[CARIIS]

Right?!
Notice how they say he became confused and, "went" into the water. Not "fell". "went".

( I know they could claim, "went" meant "fell", but language is so important when your trying to shift public perception, ever so subtle, but is a tool.)

Feels like they are in CYA MODE.

Also they are calling it a "tragic accident" before they have even found him? How do they absolutely know, there won't be any sign of foul play?

No body, no forensics... seems a little premature to be calling it an accident...

Feels like they are planning to look at this as an easy case to be pushed aside, like the others...

They might just be surprised this time...

I totally concur and sadly I think budgert has lots to do with them wanting it off the books. But in this one, you would think they would want to know, they may have a offender out there who is doing this

hey have kids you would think LE wants to rule in or rule soemhting out by doing a real investigation

It also just does not feel right to have so many so the same, sure people fall when drunk, but when everyone who is falling down drunk to thier deaths, they all sure look very similiar ( a predator) , age range, lots in college, lots with friends . The one where they were walking in rain and three people just lost thier friend - that just sounds kooky - do you lose friends when it is raining , a blizzer maybe - a hurricane maybe , a heavy rain and poof

its all jusy to strange. And like ning said if not suicide , I think we are talking sex crime - water for DNA wash sounds so right.

Killers like to prowl in similiar areas, they often do their dumps within a range, they often like similiar looks to their targets, a buzzed victim would be easier to manage,

too pooped now but it would be neat to get a chart of dates, day of the month fridays more than saturdays certain types of bars, time till found ( is he - if crime) getting sloppy, time of disappearence just to see if there are patterns

We know flat out that one that is in This"category is a lie so..................................