Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 22

[april4sky]

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/features/Kate-and-Gerry-will-search.4131043.jp

This is Mitchell's oppenion, he does not know what the PJ has against the McCanns. Trust me, he REALLY would like to know.
It's very creepy that Mitchell gives the PJ only those choices. Either lay charges or close the investigation as unresolved...what about finding the *abductor* and uniting Madeleine with her family, rolleyes. What? He doesn't think THAT is possible? Why?
Don't you think if the McCanns would offer their phone records, answer the questions, actually work with the PJ and not against them, things would have been entirely different if they are so innocent? Answer the ****ing questions and find your daughter you morons.

IW you enlarged the text in my post again...please don't.

After all thats happened re-leaks and smears the McCanns and their friends have no trust in the PJ..very understandable IMO.

And if the PJ are still searching for Madeleine it's about the only thing they have managed to keep secret.

At this point none of us know if the PJ have any "evidence" against the McCanns.

Why???
And if the PJ do have "evidence" that the McCanns killed Madeleine...or even "evidence" that Madeleine is dead...Why??? haven't they presented an updated dossier before the Judge again to officially request the McCanns to return?

The published court ruling that confirmed the police inquiry covered homicide, abandonment, concealment of a corpse and included abduction too........
......Tells me the PJ still have no clue what happened to Madeleine and are covering all the bases.

 

[Tony Bennett]

april4sky's post could perhaps be summarised as follows:

"The Portuguese police have got nothing to go on and are making the whole thing up, at vast expense, for strange reasons of their own, instead of finding the abductor that Jane Tanner has so clearly described. And don't forget Jane Tanner even went to see a 'cognitive therapist' to enhance what she saw at 9.15pm that night. Not evry witness goese to that degree of trouble, you know. You McCann-doubters on this Forum are just hate-mongering folk with nothing better to do than to latch on to any dubious press report, devoid of sympathy for the grieiving parents who have gone out of their way to help the police and spent hundreds of thousands of pounds employing one of the world's top private investigation agencies to try to find Madeleine. What more do you expect from them? To attend a reconstruction and disclose private SMS text messages when the Portuguese police have treated them the way they have? Give the McCanns a break"

april4sky: "And if the PJ do have "evidence" that the McCanns killed Madeleine...or even "evidence" that Madeleine is dead...Why??? haven't they presented an updated dossier before the Judge again to officially request the McCanns to return?"

REPLY: Um, investigations with this amount of international coverage (generated by the McCanns themselves) and the amount of deception that has been practised in this case by so many of those involved, means that it will take much painstaking work and time to bring charges. Just in case you hadn't noticed, april4sky, the Portuguese police did go before a judge recently to tell them how they were getting on with the investigation. And the judges said: "O.K., fine, continue the McCanns' arguido status for another three months". If and when the PJ get around to applying for an extradition warrant against them, the McCanns' lawyers will use every trick in the book to oppose the extradition request and spin things out, to frustrate a trial. That, after all, is their professional expertise - and they did well with old General Pinochet, didn't they? And all those pensioners who gave their weekly pension and children who willingly donated their pocket money to the Find Madeleine Fund will find their money's helped to pay these lawyers. Let's fervently pray that the sad truth about Madeleine's disappearance will come out sooner rather than later

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[colomom]

Ask yourself this question...

Why would the PJ be investigating the McCanns for homicide and concealing a corpse if there was absolutely NO evidence. Just because it was theorized on forums and on blogs? Just for grins and giggles?

It has been written many times (albeit unofficially) that the blood/DNA found in the rental car was indeed Madeleine's. Same for blood/DNA found in the apartment. The findings of Eddie and Keela only strengthen the possibility of a homicide. I believe that there is a ton of circumstantial evidence that we do not even know about. The arguido status would not have been extended without good reason.

Same goes for abduction, there must be some reason to consider that possibility. There is Jane Tanner's statement and the McCanns claims and....

 

[colomom]

april4sky's post could perhaps be summarised as follows:

"The Portuguese police have got nothing to go on and are making the whole thing up, at vast expense, for strange reasons of their own, instead of finding the abductor that Jane Tanner has so clearly described. And don't forget Jane Tanner even went to see a 'cognitive therapist' to enhance what she saw at 9.15pm that night. Not evry witness goese to that degree of trouble, you know. You McCann-doubters on this Forum are just hate-mongering folk with nothing better to do than to latch on to any dubious press report, devoid of sympathy for the grieiving parents who have gone out of their way to help the police and spent hundreds of thousands of pounds employing one of the world's top private investigation agencies to try to find Madeleine. What more do you expect from them? To attend a reconstruction and disclose private SMS text messages when the Portuguese police have treated them the way they have? Give the McCanns a break"

april4sky: "And if the PJ do have "evidence" that the McCanns killed Madeleine...or even "evidence" that Madeleine is dead...Why??? haven't they presented an updated dossier before the Judge again to officially request the McCanns to return?"

REPLY: Um, investigations with this amount of international coverage (generated by the McCanns themselves) and the amount of deception that has been practised in this case by so many of those involved, means that it will take much painstaking work and time to bring charges. Just in case you hadn't noticed, april4sky, the Portuguese police did go before a judge recently to tell them how they were getting on with the investigation. And the judges said: "O.K., fine, continue the McCanns' arguido status for another three months". If and when the PJ get around to applying for an extradition warrant against them, the McCanns' lawyers will use every trick in the book to oppose the extradition request and spin things out, to frustrate a trial. That, after all, is their professional expertise - and they did well with old General Pinochet, didn't they? And all those pensioners who gave their weekly pension and children who willingly donated their pocket money to the Find Madeleine Fund will find their money's helped to pay these lawyers. Let's fervently pray that the sad truth about Madeleine's disappearance will come out sooner rather than later

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Oh....SNAP Tony, great minds and all that!!

 

[colomom]

I think most of what we read in the Portogese and English press about this case is very questionable. It is clear that in Portugal the legal procedings and Law enforcment work behind closed doors. The end result is the press has to put a lot of interpertation in what they print. However, actions speak much louder then words . For the McCanns status as arguido to be extended now there must be good reason. The PJ have to be being very very careful in their actions. If they are doing this I believe they have good reason and that to me that speaks volumes.

mjak

We are very much of one mind on this point mjak. Thanks!!

:blowkiss:

 

[Salem]

April - Honey - I love ya! But the arguments for the McCanns are weak and they get weaker every day when they do absolutely nothing to help find their daughter. Regardless of whether they are emotional, look good, run a 100 miles in 2 seconds, none of that matters.

What matters is that they withhold information, they do not cooperate, they stall, and they create obstacles. They are sitting in England, far from the PJ's reach. Releasing any and all information the PJ asks for should be a no-brainer. Answering all questions, should be a no-brainer. How do they know one of their friends did not abduct Maddie and if they gave the PJ phone/text records, the PJ could find evidence of a possibility?

If any one thinks for one minute that the attorneys are not already earning their money, I would probably think that person was naive. I'm willing to bet that communication between the public prosecutor in Portugal and the McCanns' attorney is already flying back and forth and has been for some time.

If the McCanns want to reverse public opinion, then they need to do something REAL in the search for Maddie.

Salem

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

IW you enlarged the text in my post again...please don't. ...snip

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My quote came from the article, not you. This way I could enlarge or add bolding to my own personal preference, without your approval or restrictions. I did not quote you, I quoted the article. Your name is not included in my post.

 

[Barnaby]

Is there a forum rule against highlighting, bolding or enlarging someones post in a quote if you wish to emphasise that is the part of the quote that you refer to? I didn't think so or have I missed something?

 

[Texana]

Is there a forum rule against highlighting, bolding or enlarging someones post in a quote if you wish to emphasise that is the part of the quote that you refer to? I didn't think so or have I missed something?

No. As long as you do not attack the poster personally you can point out whatever you like in their argument or points, and respond accordingly.

Once you post it, you don't own it in terms of responses.

 

[Barnaby]

No. As long as you do not attack the poster personally you can point out whatever you like in their argument or points, and respond accordingly.

Once you post it, you don't own it in terms of responses.

Thanks for clarifying that Texana, just as I thought!

 

[SleuthMom]

April, wow, I do admire the "faith" you show towards the Mc Cann couple. Having said that, let's be a little open minded here. If there was no evidence whatsoever against them, then they would not have been extended their arguido status and believe me, with the lawyers they hired I am sure they have done and doing every possible thing to remove them from that status but they can't...why? Well, you tell me.

 

[Texana]

"Shred" (as in evidence) is always in the eye of the beholder, or ahem, defendant.

 

[april4sky]

April, wow, I do admire the "faith" you show towards the Mc Cann couple. Having said that, let's be a little open minded here. If there was no evidence whatsoever against them, then they would not have been extended their arguido status and believe me, with the lawyers they hired I am sure they have done and doing every possible thing to remove them from that status but they can't...why? Well, you tell me.

Thank you Sleuthmom. I'm trying.

The PJ didn't need "evidence" to make the McCann arguidos in the first place and didn't need evidence to extend the time for a further three months.
Haven't they also extended the arguido status of Robert Murrat?

 

[april4sky]

Ask yourself this question...

Why would the PJ be investigating the McCanns for homicide and concealing a corpse if there was absolutely NO evidence. Just because it was theorized on forums and on blogs? Just for grins and giggles?

It has been written many times (albeit unofficially) that the blood/DNA found in the rental car was indeed Madeleine's. Same for blood/DNA found in the apartment. The findings of Eddie and Keela only strengthen the possibility of a homicide. I believe that there is a ton of circumstantial evidence that we do not even know about. The arguido status would not have been extended without good reason.

Same goes for abduction, there must be some reason to consider that possibility. There is Jane Tanner's statement and the McCanns claims and....

They didn't need good evidence to extend the arguido status Colomom just more time to complete their investigation.
The same goes for Robert Murrats arguido status too.

Has the DNA from the car been confirmed as having come from a dead Madeleine? If so why have the PJ included abduction in their recent court documents?

 

[shoregirl]

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/features/Kate-and-Gerry-will-search.4131043.jp



This is Mitchell's oppenion, he does not know what the PJ has against the McCanns. Trust me, he REALLY would like to know.



It's very creepy that Mitchell gives the PJ only those choices. Either lay charges or close the investigation as unresolved...what about finding the *abductor* and uniting Madeleine with her family, rolleyes. What? He doesn't think THAT is possible? Why?





Don't you think if the McCanns would offer their phone records, answer the questions, actually work with the PJ and not against them, things would have been entirely different if they are so innocent? Answer the ****ing questions and find your daughter you morons.

I love this post. ITA More McSh*t!

 

[april4sky]

april4sky's post could perhaps be summarised as follows:

REPLY:the Portuguese police did go before a judge recently to tell them how they were getting on with the investigation. And the judges said: "O.K., fine, continue the McCanns' arguido status for another three months".

Your summary is your opinion!!! not mine!!!

I am quite capable of a speaking my own mind thank you.

And the PJ asking for more time to continue the investigation is very different than presenting an updated dossier showing "evidence.".....Or do you know that they did that?

 

[april4sky]

April - Honey - I love ya! But the arguments for the McCanns are weak and they get weaker every day when they do absolutely nothing to help find their daughter. Regardless of whether they are emotional, look good, run a 100 miles in 2 seconds, none of that matters.

What matters is that they withhold information, they do not cooperate, they stall, and they create obstacles. They are sitting in England, far from the PJ's reach. Releasing any and all information the PJ asks for should be a no-brainer. Answering all questions, should be a no-brainer. How do they know one of their friends did not abduct Maddie and if they gave the PJ phone/text records, the PJ could find evidence of a possibility?

If any one thinks for one minute that the attorneys are not already earning their money, I would probably think that person was naive. I'm willing to bet that communication between the public prosecutor in Portugal and the McCanns' attorney is already flying back and forth and has been for some time.

If the McCanns want to reverse public opinion, then they need to do something REAL in the search for Maddie.

Salem

Love you too Salem. :blowkiss: And still disagree with you. :blowkiss:

Its very clear the McCanns nor their friends have any trust in the PJ...With very good reason. Clear too IMO that the PJ are not searching for Madeleine. If they are it's about the only time they have managed to keep a secret...though I can't think of anything more unhelpful.

The McCanns are the only ones still searching for Madeleine. :clap:

Their friends did voluntarily agree to the recent interviews in the UK and I believe the McCanns themselves also offered to take part at that time, the PJ didn't take them up on it.

The McCanns are still gagged too...hopefully they will get the chance to give their side.

And the PJ are still leaking...they have drip fed information about the proposed reconstruction to the Portuguese press from beginning to end.....Yet they wouldn't agree to it being filmed...which may have helped in the search for Madeleine.
Nor did they want anyone other than the McCann or their friends to take part...a very strange reconstruction.:waitasec:

Below is part of post 176 on the Media thread.

The result has been endless column inches slandering the McCanns. ''Some Portuguese journalists were fairly convinced the so-called evidence passed on to them by police was nowhere near as concrete as their sources suggested," says Jose Lugios, a freelance reporter based in the Algarve.

Such lax practice has shocked even the country's politicians. ''The leaks to the press of some details that are supposed to be classified have been used as an easy way to manipulate and shape public opinion," says Francisco Louçã, leader of a Portuguese opposition party.

This still applies IMO.

 

[mjak]

Your summary is your opinion!!! not mine!!!

I am quite capable of a speaking my own mind thank you.

And the PJ asking for more time to continue the investigation is very different than presenting an updated dossier showing "evidence.".....Or do you know that they did that?

This is just my opinion. With this being such a public case and having had so much controversary I feel confident that any actions taken by Portogese LE is being done with the highest integreity. They must be doting all their I's and Crossing their T's. Therfore, I have to conlude that they are not extending the McCanns status simply because they want to. They must have good documented reason to do so. Aside from having the public breahing down their neck, they have the McCanns lawyers and there own government watching them. No way could they have taken an action like this exstension of status simply because they wanted more time. They absolutly must have justification for wanting the more time.

mjak

 

[Barnaby]

This is just my opinion. With this being such a public case and having had so much controversary I feel confident that any actions taken by Portogese LE is being done with the highest integreity. They must be doting all their I's and Crossing their T's. Therfore, I have to conlude that they are not extending the McCanns status simply because they want to. They must have good documented reason to do so. Aside from having the public breahing down their neck, they have the McCanns lawyers and there own government watching them. No way could they have taken an action like this exstension of status simply because they wanted more time. They absolutly must have justification for wanting the more time.

mjak

ITA!

Don't forget the good old Uk government also watching. Gordon Brown ready to pounce, I wonder why??

 

[april4sky]

This is just my opinion. With this being such a public case and having had so much controversary I feel confident that any actions taken by Portogese LE is being done with the highest integreity. They must be doting all their I's and Crossing their T's. Therfore, I have to conlude that they are not extending the McCanns status simply because they want to. They must have good documented reason to do so. Aside from having the public breahing down their neck, they have the McCanns lawyers and there own government watching them. No way could they have taken an action like this exstension of status simply because they wanted more time. They absolutly must have justification for wanting the more time.

mjak

No worries mjak, thankfully we are all entitled here to have our own opinion. :blowkiss: