Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 22

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If I were one of the Tapas 7, and I had nothing to do with Madeleine's appearance, I would be standing up right now, volunteering for the re-enactment. What are they hiding?

And why would their loyalty to the McCanns be greater than to the cause of finding Madeleine?

Is each adult committed only to believing Team McCann's version?

Is there not one of them who is open to the possibility that one of the other 8 is involved?

IMO, any one of them who is refusing to go to Praia da Luz is a weasel or worse.
 
Does anyone know if this is true? Is there any other mention of this so -called meeting between Kennedy and Murat? Why was Brian Kennedy and Murat having a meeting?? The fact that a filthy rich McCann benefactor has (any) ties to Murat seems more odd than the fact that 3 groupies want to interview him.

Wonder what the McCanns think of these unprofessional sleuths working the case?? I wonder if they are nervous?
It almost sounds as if someone with the cash to make things happen was trying to buy some info on the whereabouts of the child. At least thats one possibility.
 
McCanns after Murat

The McCanns look for answers in Robert Murat, they are convinced of his involvement in the disappearance of their daughter. The multimillionaire that supports the expenses with lawyers and the private detectives of the Spanish agency "Método 3" went on purpose to Algarve to know the British.

Brian Kennedy offered to help him, although he was unable to explain how. Why? Why does he believe that Robert or his mother Jennifer might have seen someone on the night of 3rd of May in the area of the Ocean Club. He was prepared to pay to the best technicians to draw a photofit of a possible suspect. Saying one thing and then saying another he ended to say that Kate and Gerry believe that he is innocent and they never came publicly to accuse him but he insisted that Murat might remember some important detail to help them find Madeleine.

The JN knows that Murat did not accept the help of the multimillionaire. On the contrary he was upset with the questions that were made and with the insistence of the multimillionaire that wanted him to remember the night of the disappearance, when Murat always said that he spent the night in his mother's house, Jennifer, in Praia da Luz.

The meeting - a dinner that Brian Kennedy asked to be discreet and far away from the eyes of the press - took place in the end of last year at a house of Murat's relatives in Burgau (Vila do Bispo). At the dinner were present Murat and Kennedy, the respective lawyers, Jennifer Murat and the aunt and uncle of Murat.

After dinner was Brian Kennedy that finished the conversation. He could not explain why three friends of the couple, belonging to the group "Tapas 7" came publicly saying that they saw Robert Murat in the area of the Ocean Club in the night of 3 of May and he (Kennedy) ended to enter in contradiction.

Francisco Pagarete does not confirm this meeting but the JN knows that the PJ is aware and that they monitored the steps of Kennedy and the detectives of Método 3 very closely. According to the lawyer one year after the disappearance of Maddie, Murat "still does not understand how his name was involved in the case". "Everything is very strange" says the lawyer regretting that " a person was involved in this story without having nothing to do with it".
http://jn.sapo.pt/2008/05/03/primeiro_p ... murat.html


this meeting was confirmed to have taken place by Clarence Mitchell
 
Perhaps somebody was trying to "buy" a witness for the night of May 3rd. Someone that people would believe but not trust.

Someone who has more integrity than they thought.
 
And why would their loyalty to the McCanns be greater than to the cause of finding Madeleine?
Maybe this group pf people were doing certain illegal things during this vacation and particularly that day of Maddie's disappearance and now they are terrified to end up in jail. Otherwise it is nearly impossible that not even ONE of them is willing to go back to Portugal. Fishy!
 
Perhaps somebody was trying to "buy" a witness for the night of May 3rd. Someone that people would believe but not trust.

Someone who has more integrity than they thought.

Or intimidate someone into being more of a witness than the person realized.
 
Very interesting indeed. I think Bishop Brennan may be onto something. It all is so strange. WHY would they refuse? Same with the text message/phone records in the press report colomom posted. To me that proves their guilt. Okay, so the judge says they (the text messages made May 3 & 4 2007) can not be viewed by Police...fine, but if the McCanns had nothing to hide, they would offer it to the police with no questions asked. I sure wish April was here to explain why the McCanns won't willingly offer their phone records to prove their innocence. (and take a polygraph, and a reconstruction and everything else they refuse). Maybe they are too grief stricken to cooperate...yea, that must be it.
 
Very interesting indeed. I think Bishop Brennan may be onto something. It all is so strange. WHY would they refuse? Same with the text message/phone records in the press report colomom posted. To me that proves their guilt. Okay, so the judge says they (the text messages made May 3 & 4 2007) can not be viewed by Police...fine, but if the McCanns had nothing to hide, they would offer it to the police with no questions asked. I sure wish April was here to explain why the McCanns won't willingly offer their phone records to prove their innocence. (and take a polygraph, and a reconstruction and everything else they refuse). Maybe they are too grief stricken to cooperate...yea, that must be it.

Delayed reaction? - very delayed!
 
Madeleine reconstruction called off

Press Association - 2 hours ago (Tonight, 9pm)

A police reconstruction with Kate and Gerry McCann of the night their daughter vanished will not go ahead after their friends said they were unwilling to take part, the couple's spokesman has confirmed.

The McCanns were invited back to Praia da Luz to take part in a reconstruction along with the "Tapas Seven" - the friends they were dining with the night Madeleine disappeared in May last year.

Clarence Mitchell, the McCann family spokesman, said the decision was taken by all of the couple's friends.

He said: "The friends had a number of serious questions about the value of the reconstruction and what it would do to help find Madeleine.

"After some discussion, they have informed the Portuguese authorities that they do not intend to go back."

P.S. The BBC report (U.K.) on this is here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7422787.stm

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Anyone recall this exchange on Panorama, 19 November 2007?

RICHARD BILTON: That has been widely reported now but also throughout this idea that you want to go back and change your story.

JANE TANNER: It's just complete lies. I mean I don't know where these stories come from. We've never been in contact with the police to say we want to change our stories.

RICHARD BILTON: So you said you're prepared to answer questions.

JANE TANNER: Yeah.

RICHARD BILTON: In some ways would you like to?

JANE TANNER: I'd love to, yeah, I think...you know, I actively want to be re-interviewed. If there is a feeling that what we're saying is wrong, you know, be interviewed...you know, and we can clarify that it's not wrong, you know, we're not making things up, it's just what happened.

RICHARD BILTON: Have you been asked to return to be questioned?

JANE TANNER: No.

RICHARD BILTON: Would you be prepared to?

JANE TANNER: Yes. Yeah of course we would. Yeah, and I mean if it helps to find Madeleine, be interviewed tomorrow, you know, we're obviously key witnesses.

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FINALLY, I have read Bishop Brennan's analysis on 3 Arguidos but I think it is flawed - in excluding David Payne - for at least three specific reasons:

1. The aggressive way he told a Portuguese/Spanish newspaper (was it Sol?) back in July/August (sorry, don't have the date/source) that "We have a Pact of Silence. This is our matter". IMO those were very sinister words indeed, expressed according to the newspaper at the time with a degree of anger

2. The way David Payne suddenly popped up out of nowhere on Day 144 after Madeleine's disappearance to say that he had seen Madeleine being put to bed, heard Gerry reading a bedtime story, saw Kate bathing the children etc. etc. - at the very same time that we heard for the first time that Gerry had asked David Payne to 'go and check on Kate to make sure she was all right'. IMO not a word of this is true, it was another case of the McCanns and the Tapas 9 conducting an exercise in emergency backfitting evidence with self-serving statements designed to weaken the Portuguese police's claims that there was a 'missing six hours'

3. David Payne, it seems, was among a full secret meeting of the Tapas 9 held at the Rothley Court Hotel in Leicestershire, i nNovember 2007, details of which leaked out about 10 days later. The spokesman for both the McCanns and the Tapas 9, Clarence Mitchell, claimed it was some innocuous reunion, but we know now that lawyers were there and it is probable that this was a meeting to doubly reinforce what Payne called 'The Pact of Silence', double- and triple-check their timelines, and discuss strategy and tactics.

Frankly I see no actual evidence that any one of the Tapas 9 is not involved in this. I am convinced that there is a dark secret they are holding that binds them all together.

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THE WALLS OF SILENCE

Hello Russell, my old friend, I've come to talk with you again,
Because Maddie’s vision softly creeping,

Left its seeds while I was sleeping,
And the vision that was planted in my brain,
Still remains. We’ll keep those walls - of silence.

In restless hours of drinking booze, The restaurants of Praia da Luz,
At the table of the Tapas bar,

I texted the media on my Nok-i-a,
When the bar was struck by the cry of Kate in fright,
That split the night. We’ll need a wall - of silence.

And in the evening light I saw, Dozens of people, maybe more.
People searching without finding,

Policemen coming without sealing.
I told people what to share - and what not to share,
And no one dared. Disturb the wall - of silence.

"Fools" said I, "You do not know, Rumour like a cancer grows.
Hear my words that I might teach you,

Via Clarence Mitchell all must go through,
And the Find Madeleine Fund will create a diversion,
And plenty of funds. And so maintain the wall - of silence”

And the media bowed and fawned, To the abduction god they spawned.
And the Team flashed out its warning,

In the words that it was forming,
And the sign said, "The words of the Team are written in the tabloid press

So don’t try and mess - With our wall (or should I say Pact) of Silence.

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JANE TANNER: Yes. Yeah of course we would. Yeah, and I mean if it helps to find Madeleine, be interviewed tomorrow, you know, we're obviously key witnesses.

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Jane Tanner is a chronic liar and a horrible person.:furious:
 
Jane Tanner is a chronic liar and a horrible person.:furious:
Agree 100%! as are all of the Tapas group & many, many people associated with the McCanns!

One would think that one person, just one person from that group of infidels would if even to find peace for themselves never mind Madeleine, would tell the truth! They are pondscum every one of them unless as Colomom thinks one has told the truth & if that is the case I exclude him from my remarks. I am not convinced though!
 
Madeleine reconstruction called off

Press Association - 2 hours ago (Tonight, 9pm)

A police reconstruction with Kate and Gerry McCann of the night their daughter vanished will not go ahead after their friends said they were unwilling to take part, the couple's spokesman has confirmed.

The McCanns were invited back to Praia da Luz to take part in a reconstruction along with the "Tapas Seven" - the friends they were dining with the night Madeleine disappeared in May last year.

Clarence Mitchell, the McCann family spokesman, said the decision was taken by all of the couple's friends.

He said: "The friends had a number of serious questions about the value of the reconstruction and what it would do to help find Madeleine.

"After some discussion, they have informed the Portuguese authorities that they do not intend to go back."

P.S. The BBC report (U.K.) on this is here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7422787.stm

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Anyone recall this exchange on Panorama, 19 November 2007?

RICHARD BILTON: That has been widely reported now but also throughout this idea that you want to go back and change your story.

JANE TANNER: It's just complete lies. I mean I don't know where these stories come from. We've never been in contact with the police to say we want to change our stories.

RICHARD BILTON: So you said you're prepared to answer questions.

JANE TANNER: Yeah.

RICHARD BILTON: In some ways would you like to?

JANE TANNER: I'd love to, yeah, I think...you know, I actively want to be re-interviewed. If there is a feeling that what we're saying is wrong, you know, be interviewed...you know, and we can clarify that it's not wrong, you know, we're not making things up, it's just what happened.

RICHARD BILTON: Have you been asked to return to be questioned?

JANE TANNER: No.

RICHARD BILTON: Would you be prepared to?

JANE TANNER: Yes. Yeah of course we would. Yeah, and I mean if it helps to find Madeleine, be interviewed tomorrow, you know, we're obviously key witnesses.

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Depends on the meaning of being "asked" of course.

Jane reminds me of someone in my family. She once went on and on about being "so shocked" that my mother had not called after a certain event. Finally, knowing that my mother HAD called and left a message, I said, "I'm confused. Mom said she called and left a message."

"Well, yes, she called and left this CHIRPY message, we couldn't believe that."

Some people really, really are liars to the very core of their being.

Jane hasn't been asked outright, she hasn't been asked with the right conditions, I'm sure she has some justification but bottom line is, she's not telling the truth.

Again.
 
This refusal to participate as requested by the primary searchers for Maddie will come around and bite these poor excuses for human beings right in the A S S!!! I am holding my tongue, believe me.

I am incredulous, absolutely stunned. Does anybody care about a little bitty girl that could be suffering unimaginable horrors at this very moment???

Oh yea, YOU do!!!
 
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