Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #42

[frank-cole]

Where did the figure of ,20,000 come from?

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner's 'secret lair'

Police have allegedly discovered more than 8,000 images and videos on USB sticks and hard drives which were buried in a deserted factory belonging to Brueckner.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I believe I heard/read it was more like 20000 than 8000. But either way, the defence counter argument is example I gave works with whatever multiple of a 1000

 

[frank-cole]

Why wasn't he convicted for that? It is illegal in Germany and a collection so huge would award him years in prison. Yet there is no evidence they even attempted to bring that to trial.

You’d have to ask them that. My guess is that if there are cross-overs then the device/batch is inadmissible if one picture from that batch has been used in a previous arrest. But that’s an ill informed guess.

I think that the BKA have found absolutely clear evidence MM is dead & has been murdered.
The challenge is an airtight case, the challenge won’t be evidence of death.

IMO

 

[JB1510]

It could be that the evidence proving MM is dead & was murdered is absolutely clear.

Not having an airtight case against CB doesn’t mean that the evidence proving murder isn’t very strong.

Imo it’s important not conflate the 2.

HCW is very clear here at 0.3.55 this doesn’t strike me as a hunch or hearsay from “dodgy” ex criminals . Something has changed since the last trial , my bet is inadmissible evidence . IMO the trial set out to prove he was a sadistic rapist and predator of children who filmed or documented his assaults, IF CB was in possession of such an image that imo would lead to BARD.

The thought of a hoard of evidence depicting sa images of women and children being sa being locked away is shameful . Punish the officer responsible if necessary don’t withhold evidence. In regards to the box factory search , I beg to differ on that as she acted on a hunch when IG was missing and she was right CB was hiding something. So much so that he was prepared to dig up his dead dog to retrieve it , but didn’t bank on the police digging further.

 

[RichardKimble]

HCW is very clear here at 0.3.55 this doesn’t strike me as a hunch or hearsay from “dodgy” ex criminals . Something has changed since the last trial , my bet is inadmissible evidence . IMO the trial set out to prove he was a sadistic rapist and predator of children who filmed or documented his assaults, IF CB was in possession of such an image that imo would lead to BARD.

The thought of a hoard of evidence depicting sa images of women and children being sa being locked away is shameful . Punish the officer responsible if necessary don’t withhold evidence. In regards to the box factory search , I beg to differ on that as she acted on a hunch when IG was missing and she was right CB was hiding something. So much so that he was prepared to dig up his dead dog to retrieve it , but didn’t bank on the police digging further.

At 4-45 he was asked what more do you need, he answered nothing more,and talked of only one chance, so why no charges, what would be inadmissible? What was used in the unrelated trial? I'd venture witness testimony isn't up to it.HeB was described as a star witness in the MM case in the Aus production , up to and including the unrelated trial he gave 4 different versions to what he alleged to have witnessed.
Did HeB tell the BKA he saw an image of a dead MM with CB, with his evidence called into question about the alleged rapes on tape,is this the fall down?

 

[C.greek]

Why wasn't he convicted for that? It is illegal in Germany and a collection so huge would award him years in prison. Yet there is no evidence they even attempted to bring that to trial

He got 15 months for sexually abusing the 5 year old girl of his then girlfriend... I doubt a stash of cp would get him more prison than this...

the reason was said to be as far as I remember that it was the same material they prosecuted him for the assault, they couldn't bring in more charges on the same material.

Do you doubt he had this collection?

 

[C.greek]

At 4-45 he was asked what more do you need, he answered nothing more,and talked of only one chance, so why no charges, what would be inadmissible? What was used in the unrelated trial? I'd venture witness testimony isn't up to it.HeB was described as a star witness in the MM case in the Aus production , up to and including the unrelated trial he gave 4 different versions to what he alleged to have witnessed.
Did HeB tell the BKA he saw an image of a dead MM with CB, with his evidence called into question about the alleged rapes on tape,is this the fall down?

I doubt this. HeB only told them what CB told him in 2008 (that she didnt scream). He called SY in 2008 and again in 2018 for his suspicions. He was also instumental to tie mo with the rape of DM. apart from these, I don't think he is such a star witness. They have found more evidence that CB murdered MM.

 

[RichardKimble]

I doubt this. HeB only told them what CB told him in 2008 (that she didnt scream). He called SY in 2008 and again in 2018 for his suspicions. He was also instumental to tie mo with the rape of DM. apart from these, I don't think he is such a star witness. They have found more evidence that CB murdered MM.

It doesn't add up, what evidence could be so strong then that can't be used?

 

[frank-cole]

It doesn't add up, what evidence could be so strong then that can't be used?

A picture of MM deceased showing she was murdered, but without CB in picture.

Rendering it a picture on the property of a paedophile who had thousands of awful pictures.

IMO - evidence of death & murder will be very clear. The challenge is an airtight case against CB for it.

 

[RichardKimble]

A picture of MM deceased showing she was murdered, but without CB in picture.

Rendering it a picture on the property of a paedophile who had thousands of awful pictures.

IMO - evidence of death & murder will be very clear. The challenge is an airtight case against CB for it.

The 60 minute piece had HCW saying they didn't need anything else, but yet here we are, no charges and it seems none in the offing.IMO no such image exists.

 

[C.greek]

It doesn't add up, what evidence could be so strong then that can't be used?

It's not that it can't be used. It could be that it can't be used in isolation.

 

[C.greek]

The 60 minute piece had HCW saying they didn't need anything else, but yet here we are, no charges and it seems none in the offing.

Yes because they have been trying to explore how many chances of a conviction they have with the evidence they have. They only have once chance to bring him to trial, they don't want to spoil this.

 

[frank-cole]

The 60 minute piece had HCW saying they didn't need anything else, but yet here we are, no charges and it seems none in the offing.IMO no such image exists.

I think the judge not allowing key box factory evidence in previous trial may have blocked box factory evidence for MM case. Which is extremely disappointing both for truth seekers & especially for the family. Im
Surprised others haven’t registered this.

Regarding the evidence - I think the evidence is pictures or a video, without CB in frame.

My logic - Assuming (before knowing) that the proof of murder isn’t strong because they haven’t charged Brueckner, may be a mistake. Because the proof MM was murdered could be very clear & yet the case against Brueckner not as strong as they need it to be, especially if the box factory evidence is now inadmissible.

We have his unrelated trial next month to watch out for. I think there’ll be more searches coming up too. I wouldn’t be surprised if the prosecution took a risk & shared a bit more in attempt to sway any reluctant witness . Sharing more publicly IMO not the ideal scenario because it could weaken their case, but I’m sure there’ll be others that will be very favourable of the idea of the prosecution failing.

It’ll be an interesting few months.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

MSN

"Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has refused to be interviewed by Met Police, the force has revealed.
Brueckner , 48, is set to be released from prison on Wednesday....

.... the senior investigating officer in Madeleine’s case, said.... the force would pursue other ‘viable lines of enquiry’ as it continues to search for evidence."

 

[IndigoHigh]

Regarding the thousands of CSAI i imagine he will be arrested once released from custody. It is a card the police hold once the other attempts failed to keep him in prison. Just wait, once he walks out the door of the prison i believe he will be arrested on those charges immediately. IMO

 

[RichardKimble]

Regarding the thousands of CSAI i imagine he will be arrested once released from custody. It is a card the police hold once the other attempts failed to keep him in prison. Just wait, once he walks out the door of the prison i believe he will be arrested on those charges immediately. IMO

I guess it's a possibility, but others have said they've been used once in evidence and can't be used again.

 

[Davieson]

Regarding the thousands of CSAI i imagine he will be arrested once released from custody. It is a card the police hold once the other attempts failed to keep him in prison. Just wait, once he walks out the door of the prison i believe he will be arrested on those charges immediately. IMO

I suggested something similar a few weeks ago, though not specifically over images.
However, bearing in mind that he is going to be closely monitored anyway, would such an arrest result in anything other than bail ?
Would another person facing such a charge be granted bail or held on remand ?

 

[RichardKimble]

I think the judge not allowing key box factory evidence in previous trial may have blocked box factory evidence for MM case. Which is extremely disappointing both for truth seekers & especially for the family. Im
Surprised others haven’t registered this.

Regarding the evidence - I think the evidence is pictures or a video, without CB in frame.

My logic - Assuming (before knowing) that the proof of murder isn’t strong because they haven’t charged Brueckner, may be a mistake. Because the proof MM was murdered could be very clear & yet the case against Brueckner not as strong as they need it to be, especially if the box factory evidence is now inadmissible.

We have his unrelated trial next month to watch out for. I think there’ll be more searches coming up too. I wouldn’t be surprised if the prosecution took a risk & shared a bit more in attempt to sway any reluctant witness . Sharing more publicly IMO not the ideal scenario because it could weaken their case, but I’m sure there’ll be others that will be very favourable of the idea of the prosecution failing.

It’ll be an interesting few months.

I doubt there'll be more searches, the last two concerned places most prominently associated with him, where else is there.No one seems able to provide a cite concerning the box factory evidence. 're death of MM are the BKA not sure to this day.


September 2020.

German police 'don't need Madeleine McCann's body to prove suspect murdered her'​

Hans Christian Wolters says authorities simply need to be 'convinced' Madeleine McCann is dead to put the suspect on trial. The child disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal in 2007.​

German police 'don't need Madeleine McCann's body to prove suspect murdered her'

Hans Christian Wolters says authorities simply need to be 'convinced' Madeleine McCann is dead to put the suspect on trial. The child disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal in 2007

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Anxala]

Why wasn't he convicted for that? It is illegal in Germany and a collection so huge would award him years in prison. Yet there is no evidence they even attempted to bring that to trial.

It's a good question. I can only think of two reasons:

Either the way the evidence was gained was illegal and therefore inadmissable, or they can't prove that the collection is his ie. that he is the maker/owner of them.

 

[Anxala]

Regarding the thousands of CSAI i imagine he will be arrested once released from custody. It is a card the police hold once the other attempts failed to keep him in prison. Just wait, once he walks out the door of the prison i believe he will be arrested on those charges immediately. IMO

It really doesn't sound, from the way the prosecution is behaving, like that's a likely scenario. All their attempts to keep him inside have come to nothing and they seem to have, albeit very reluctantly, accepted that his release is now inevitable and that his life, and what it looks like, post-prison - ie. what if any management supervision is imposed - is entirely in the hands of the PEC court, and now beyond their subjective reach.

I would, to say the least, be very surprised if they had some back-up plan here.

 

[JB1510]

It's a good question. I can only think of two reasons:

Either the way the evidence was gained was illegal and therefore inadmissable, or they can't prove that the collection is his ie. that he is the maker/owner of them.

We spoke of this a few days ago. Second opinion is a non starter , as the haul contains 100 images of CB under CB dead dog .