Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #42

[RichardKimble]

It really doesn't sound, from the way the prosecution is behaving, like that's a likely scenario. All their attempts to keep him inside have come to nothing and they seem to have, albeit very reluctantly, accepted that his release is now inevitable and that his life, and what it looks like, post-prison - ie. what if any management supervision is imposed - is entirely in the hands of the PEC court, and beyond their reach.

I would, to say the least, be very surprised if they had some back-up plan here.

The BKA needed a guilty verdict in the unrelated trial to keep CB in jail, that failed and now they're found wanting, imo the investigation will now quietly go away in regards CB and MM.

 

[Anxala]

We spoke of this a few days ago. Second opinion is a non starter , as the haul contains 100 images of CB under CB dead dog .

Is there a link (a proper, credible one) that details the nature of what was found in the stash? Not asking you to provide one, just wondering if anyone on here can recall/post one as a reminder of what it allegedly contained.

It's hard to keep track of what's real and what's not. It's been a very long 5 years.

In any case, I don't doubt that it's CB's, so inadmissable evidence then seems the more likely and only plausible reason why he hasn't been charged.

 

[frank-cole]

Regarding the thousands of CSAI i imagine he will be arrested once released from custody. It is a card the police hold once the other attempts failed to keep him in prison. Just wait, once he walks out the door of the prison i believe he will be arrested on those charges immediately. IMO

I think I heard/read that when they raided the kiosk they found evidence of him abusing a 5 year old child & he’d photographed it. I believe this was a child of his ex or ex-friend.

Apparently if those images, the ones that were used to convict him last time, are duplicated on a usb they found elsewhere, it’ll mean that the entirety of the usb becomes inadmissible. Which is absolutely insane if true.

Box factory cp pictures - the reason they may not be using it is because they can’t use it twice (same reason as above) therefore they need to save it for MM case.

 

[frank-cole]

I doubt there'll be more searches, the last two concerned places most prominently associated with him, where else is there.No one seems able to provide a cite concerning the box factory evidence. 're death of MM are the BKA not sure to this day.


September 2020.

German police 'don't need Madeleine McCann's body to prove suspect murdered her'​

Hans Christian Wolters says authorities simply need to be 'convinced' Madeleine McCann is dead to put the suspect on trial. The child disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal in 2007.​

German police 'don't need Madeleine McCann's body to prove suspect murdered her'

Hans Christian Wolters says authorities simply need to be 'convinced' Madeleine McCann is dead to put the suspect on trial. The child disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal in 2007

www.mirror.co.uk

I think there will be further searches, probably in the other ruined barns in Atalaia.

As I’ve said a few times today - I think the evidence that MM was murdered will be very clear. I think the issue is an airtight case against CB, which as I said, likely took a big hit when box factory evidence was rejected.

If that’s the case there are bound to be all kinds of ridiculous attempts to explain digital evidence of murder away & attempts to link it to xy or z. But if maturity wins, then part of the question to this mystery will be answered & therefore will eliminate a large chunk of the speculation.

 

[RichardKimble]

Is there a link (a proper, credible one) that details the nature of what was found in the stash? Not asking you to provide one, just wondering if anyone on here can recall/post one as a reminder of what it allegedly contained.

It's hard to keep track of what's real and what's not. It's been a very long 5 years.

In any case, I don't doubt that it's CB's, so inadmissable evidence then seems the more likely and only plausible reason why he hasn't been charged.

I looked at the archived BZ reporting and couldn't find a definitive answer.

 

[Hexe]

He got 15 months for sexually abusing the 5 year old girl of his then girlfriend... I doubt a stash of cp would get him more prison than this...

The maximum penalty is ten years in prison and at this point he was a repeat offender. So yes, I think he would get more than fifteen months.

the reason was said to be as far as I remember that it was the same material they prosecuted him for the assault, they couldn't bring in more charges on the same material.

I have no idea where that came from, but German law does not work this way.

Do you doubt he had this collection?

I do not doubt he had a stash of nasty things, the question is was this stash as big and things as nasty as the tabloids say. Because if yes, why wasn't he tried for that?

 

[tedtink]

You’d have to ask them that. My guess is that if there are cross-overs then the device/batch is inadmissible if one picture from that batch has been used in a previous arrest. But that’s an ill informed guess.

I think that the BKA have found absolutely clear evidence MM is dead & has been murdered.
The challenge is an airtight case, the challenge won’t be evidence of death.

IMO

BIB.

Seems to suggest in this DT article, that is the case.

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[Trivento]

I think I heard/read that when they raided the kiosk they found evidence of him abusing a 5 year old child & he’d photographed it. I believe this was a child of his ex or ex-friend.

Apparently if those images, the ones that were used to convict him last time, are duplicated on a usb they found elsewhere, it’ll mean that the entirety of the usb becomes inadmissible. Which is absolutely insane if true.

Box factory cp pictures - the reason they may not be using it is because they can’t use it twice (same reason as above) therefore they need to save it for MM case.

Post in thread 'Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41'

Jun 13, 2025

At about 32.40 JC talks a bit about problems faced when trying to use same evidence sources more than one time in German system ..

• Trivento

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I posted this a while back that also relates to your points ..after about 32.40 on clip ..

 

[C.greek]

From memory (and without links for each of these, sorry):

6 usb sticks and 2 memory cards containing 8000 files, with 100 of them depicting CB in sexual acts by himself, cp of mainly 4-5 year old girls. Chats we have discussed at length with another paedophile about what he would do to this young girl, including destroying the evidence while taking videos and photos + copies of das buch, which we heard contained a story about abducting and abusing a girl which he calls maid anelie. These under the dog we think.

Then in the recent Sun documentary, we saw some of this evidence + others. A suitcase with photos of young blonde girls (look like school portraits) (with numbers/addresses?!)

We heard it the recent trial there is a hard disc (which was acquired in Portugal? ) therefore his defence said this is inadmissible as it was acquired abroad with no warrant or something like that. This is what holds the incriminating information regarding MM. We also now know they managed to access his emails (which he had deleted) with a warrant and there is one account which is also incriminating with regards to MM. There he also had copies of some of the stories featuring in Das Buch.

Perhaps I am forgetting something - I am sure I am. But just the gist.

 Eta
Hard drive 'in suspect's factory has clues Madeleine McCann is dead' has some of this info

 

[Lilly b]

Wasn't some emails brought up in the previous trial they couldn't mention or use because they related to mm/mm case?

 

[frank-cole]

Post in thread 'Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41'

Jun 13, 2025

At about 32.40 JC talks a bit about problems faced when trying to use same evidence sources more than one time in German system ..

• Trivento

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I posted this a while back that also relates to your points ..after about 32.40 on clip ..

Thank you.

 

[frank-cole]

The maximum penalty is ten years in prison and at this point he was a repeat offender. So yes, I think he would get more than fifteen months.



I have no idea where that came from, but German law does not work this way.



I do not doubt he had a stash of nasty things, the question is was this stash as big and things as nasty as the tabloids say. Because if yes, why wasn't he tried for that?

Ref second point, Tedlink has posted the DT article & the documentary has been time stamped underneath for the same reason.

Unfortunately it seems that the German law does work that way.

 

[C.greek]

Wasn't some emails brought up in the previous trial they couldn't mention or use because they related to mm/mm case?

Yes indeed, an account of CB was said to relate to MM

 

[frank-cole]

Yes indeed, an account of CB was said to relate to MM

It seems that he sent, stored and kept digital evidence in different ways & in different locations. It’s also likely there are more duplicates. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were now starting the process of extracting information from the likes of Hotmail, KIK, apple, MSM, email. I think applying to those companies to obtain records may be viable line of enquiry to possibly re-obtain some of the things they found at the box factory. The email account relating to ‘the murder’ may be an indication of evidence in multiple places.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

You’d have to ask them that. My guess is that if there are cross-overs then the device/batch is inadmissible if one picture from that batch has been used in a previous arrest. But that’s an ill informed guess.

I think that the BKA have found absolutely clear evidence MM is dead & has been murdered.
The challenge is an airtight case, the challenge won’t be evidence of death.

IMO

This is right. The images used to prosecute him for molesting AB’s daughter were also part of the collection on the memory sticks at the box factory.

Please explain what you think would constitute “… absolutely clear evidence MM is dead & has been murdered” and yet is definitive enough to charge him.

I cannot understand how these two points are compatible.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

HCW is very clear here at 0.3.55 this doesn’t strike me as a hunch or hearsay from “dodgy” ex criminals . Something has changed since the last trial , my bet is inadmissible evidence . IMO the trial set out to prove he was a sadistic rapist and predator of children who filmed or documented his assaults, IF CB was in possession of such an image that imo would lead to BARD.

The thought of a hoard of evidence depicting sa images of women and children being sa being locked away is shameful . Punish the officer responsible if necessary don’t withhold evidence. In regards to the box factory search , I beg to differ on that as she acted on a hunch when IG was missing and she was right CB was hiding something. So much so that he was prepared to dig up his dead dog to retrieve it , but didn’t bank on the police digging further.

Except it would be admissible on the grounds that the truth and public interest of convicting CB would be more important than the legality of the search.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

A picture of MM deceased showing she was murdered, but without CB in picture.

Rendering it a picture on the property of a paedophile who had thousands of awful pictures.

IMO - evidence of death & murder will be very clear. The challenge is an airtight case against CB for it.

Play out the scenario you are welded to:

1. Rapist and paedo
2. Verbal confessions to said crime
3. Fantasy writings including of a girl with a similar name
4. Jag reregistration
5. Deleted emails inferring he’s connected
6. Phone and GPS data showing he’s in the area
7. A previously unknown photograph of the victim deceased connected to the suspect

If number 7 was available to the prosecutors it’s impossible in my mind that they wouldn’t take this to trial.

Without number 7, you have the current status of the investigation.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I doubt there'll be more searches, the last two concerned places most prominently associated with him, where else is there.No one seems able to provide a cite concerning the box factory evidence. 're death of MM are the BKA not sure to this day.


September 2020.

German police 'don't need Madeleine McCann's body to prove suspect murdered her'​

Hans Christian Wolters says authorities simply need to be 'convinced' Madeleine McCann is dead to put the suspect on trial. The child disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal in 2007.​

German police 'don't need Madeleine McCann's body to prove suspect murdered her'

Hans Christian Wolters says authorities simply need to be 'convinced' Madeleine McCann is dead to put the suspect on trial. The child disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal in 2007

www.mirror.co.uk

Quite right Richard - the box factory evidence was insufficient not inadmissible. The judge found it irrelevant in relation to the rape trials, not illegal.

 

[RichardKimble]

Another day another story.

Madeleine McCann 'stolen to order by paedo network linked to child killer'

A NOTORIOUS network of paedophiles linked to a serial child-killer ordered the kidnap of Madeleine McCann, it is feared. A former top Belgian official, who led the inquiry into the murderer and chi…

www.thesun.co.uk

Officials investigating the rapist believe Madeleine was likely stolen to order rather than being snatched by a “lone wolf”.

But their probe is focused solely on his alleged role and not on any wider paedophile network.

A source close to the case in Germany said yesterday: “Police take seriously the claims that emerged from Belgium — that Maddie was ordered to be stolen.

 

[frank-cole]

Play out the scenario you are welded to:

1. Rapist and paedo
2. Verbal confessions to said crime
3. Fantasy writings including of a girl with a similar name
4. Jag reregistration
5. Deleted emails inferring he’s connected
6. Phone and GPS data showing he’s in the area
7. A previously unknown photograph of the victim deceased connected to the suspect

If number 7 was available to the prosecutors it’s impossible in my mind that they wouldn’t take this to trial.

Without number 7, you have the current status of the investigation.

Yes I think your example may be similar to what they have And I think he probably deactivated his phone the day after too.
I think that, in a way, we are all right to a certain degree.
I think
They have clear evidence of murder
They don’t have an airtight case against CB
HCW isn’t lying about the strength of the evidence