Malaysia airlines 370 with 239 people on board, 8 March 2014 #25

[Roselvr]

Was she on the yacht or the cruise liner?

From the same article -

A woman sailing a yacht between India and Australia in early March 2014 also told authorities she saw a plane surrounded by bright orange lights and with a tail of black smoke pass above her.

Captain Ross pointed to reports that six Swiss people who were on board a cruise liner travelling between Perth and Singapore on March 12 2014 saw debris in the sea including life jackets, food trays, papers and pieces of polystyrene.


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Here's what I found on a quick search of this thread using Kate as search term and Roselvr as poster.

Post 301 by her husband Mark

I am only recently signed up but Kate, my wife is the one who may have seen it on our crossing from India. I have so far ploughed through about half way so sorry if some of my isssues are repeated elsewhere but I really think this is worth saying even if it is duplicated further on!


Either this statement is incorrect (as within 3 or 7 minutes depending on source of ping rings of last primary radar it must still be well within the 200 mile range of Indonesia (Acer Banda) and Thai (Phuket) as well as Indian (Andamans) ATC towers???, or Inmarsat data has been edited.
If electronic why would the first transmission be 18:25, and thereafter until the last one at 41 minutes past the hour - that is not the way electronics work and to have a reliability 2 out of 7 being "random"generated is not a believable failure rate for high grade electronic equipment! My cheapo mobile has never changed my alarm by undetectable time variations! There is growing suspicion on Duncans blog and the ping ring/s are being discarded - too technical for me but point is if scientific community does not have confidence as they claim only partial data release then where does the evidance get credibility from - and a commercially interested party such as Inmarsat who stand to loose millions if alternative up to date technology is chosen certainly have a conflict of interest here! I do not know if there is credance in the ping ring stuff - however full data disclosure to independant groups would be an acceptable test of the validity of their claim.


From ATSB report On page 24 ” For a given relative motion, there are many combinations of aircraft speed and heading that will produce the correct frequency change (BFO). There is however a limited range of speeds at which an aircraft can operate and therefore the number of feasible speed/direction solutions is limited (Figure 23).” If you read BFO validation page 29 ” This simulation was able to prove definitively that the BFO value is influenced by the location, speed and heading of the aircraft.”, none of which are known, “assuming a single turn followed by a predominantly straight track”. and then go onto the assumptions made for the three Analyses.
BFO is absolute nonsnense here and has absolutely no use in the investigation for the simple reason is that the inputs determine the outputs so they actually can be shown to show what ever you want! If you assume a Southern route and plug in some southern numbers it will give you some southern options, same thing if you use northern data.

Inmarsat have claimed there is radar data showing a turn North of the Andamans and MH370 heading south. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhRO-0Lx_kQ on the 24 March. This has somehow "grown into fact" yet where is this evidence? Iff you look at the CNN live broadcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G97RCynAzxM it shows what appears to be this evidence (see http://mapwaveanalysis.com/mapwaves...t-can-you-do/mapolitics/mh370/resources/atsb/ for times)
Malaysian authorities claim to have sealed evidence http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big...h370-cannot-be-made-publ#sthash.D7Et3nCL.dpuf. HOWEVER as the last known position being used for these critical calculations of BTO and BFO is the Malaysian radar data Inmarsat really has NO CREDIBILITY and there is NO EVIDENCE THAT RULES OUT THE NORTHERN OPTION or ATSB is intentionally misleading the search based on not utilizing all known data.

Personally Inmarsats conflict of interest is too great, and combined with the contradictory evidence and analysis by various groups, including Inmarsat and ATSB, I do not believe the ping ring stuff is fact! MH370 can be anywhere within its fuel range.

Post #302 by her husband Mark

On our crossing from India in addition to Kates possible sighting we saw a few other unexplained things which at the time seemed nothing out of the ordinary - lights, buoy and unusual shipping movements
http://mapwaveanalysis.com/mapwaves...possible-sighting/mysterious-lights-and-buoy/
THE MOST LIKELY EXPLANATIONS GIVEN TO DATE - were a naval flotilla, a acoustical target or target buoy and a search vessel.

It appears what Kate may have seen was a port engine fire and with the mysterious sealed radar data A POSSIBLE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS COULD BE AS SPECULATED - Unidentified aircraft that is not communicating approaching naval flotilla who defends itself by disabling the aircraft as a further threat, and hence radar data sealed. THIS WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED SO PRECEDENCE HAS BEEN SET.
WHY NOT MAKE IT PUBLIC - Motive? - self interest and preservation through covering up incompetence?

I have been working with weather buoys for over 10 years and am familiar with them, including drifting buoys - nothing like your picture except possibly overall size.
solar panels at base and whip antenna (wire) with nothing attached to that.

Post 325

MH177 was shot down by bullets and not a missile.
I would agree with your statement that there should be a wide debris field if as MH17 if it broke up, however if it only damaged the engine which at a guess could be a heat source for heat seeking missile, who knows!

Not sure how old you are but many are not aware of this - Iran Air Flight 655—shot down on July 3, 1988, not by some scruffy rebel on contested soil but by a U.S. Navy captain in command of an Aegis-class cruiser called the Vincennes.

THE IMPORTANT POINT BEING MISSED THOUGH IS IF THERE WERE NAVAL EXERCISES IN THE AREA THEN THEY WOULD HAVE DEFENSIVE RADAR CAPABILITIES AGAINST AIR ATTACK - THE ONLY REASON THE NORTHERN OPTION HAS BEEN DISMISSED IS BECAUSE INMARSAT CLAIM THERE IS RADAR EVIDENCE OF A SOUTHERLY TURN NORTH OF THE ANDAMANS AND AGAIN MORE SOUTHERLY WEST OF INDONESIA!

http://mapwaveanalysis.com/mapwaves...t-can-you-do/mapolitics/mh370/resources/atsb/

From that it is clear that someone is lying.
This radar data is not being used by ATSB for the search as they are using the last Malaysian military radar data!!!
If Inmarsat is lying then their whole ping ring is rubbish!

This is such an obvious lie which needs an answer but ATSB will not give me an answer and don't approve my comments in their publicity public engagement stunt! - ANY SUGGESTIONS WHO COULD BE PRESURRISED TO GIVE SOME ANSWERS!

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Blaine Gibson has found a few pieces of luggage on the same stretch of coast in Madagascar. Includes a child's Angry Birds bag (photos at link)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ptop-case-washed-island-coast-Madagascar.html

 

[watcher9]

Blaine Gibson has found a few pieces of luggage on the same stretch of coast in Madagascar. Includes a child's Angry Birds bag (photos at link)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ptop-case-washed-island-coast-Madagascar.html

Mr Gibson has certainly found a large number of items in his search. From the many pictures in this article, there are a large number of bags and purses that are normally found in the cabin of the plane rather than in the baggage area. Granted some things may have fallen off a ship but the odds are they are from MH370.

The island of Nosy Boraha hugs the north east coast of Madagascar whereas Reunion and Mauritius islands are hundreds of miles to the east south east of Madagascar. Did no one ever search the entire shore line of Madagascar and this island for items before or did these suddenly appear from the latest storms?

 

[watcher9]

It will be very interesting to see if the debris found on Kangaroo Island is from MH370, as apparently it will help to confirm that they are searching for the plane in the correct area. They are saying that if the plane went down north of their search zone, nothing would drift to Kangaroo Island.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...0/news-story/4199113636aedccb11b1bf803ef0e15c

It has been determined by ATSB that debris from Kangaroo Island south of Australia is NOT from MH370.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ruled-out-as-from-mh370/ar-AAhquvH?li=BBnbcA1

 

[watcher9]

Weekly update -

The weather has been rough.
They confirmed that the debris from Kangaroo Island is not related.
It looks like they will continue to cover and finish the search area with no further expansions.
Unless something new develops, they should finish up sometime in August.

https://www.atsb.gov.au/mh370-pages/updates/operational-update/

 

[watcher9]

Two day meeting wrapped up with no announcements but they have now agreed to hold another meeting in the near future to discuss search plans. ??

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/mh370-meeting-ends-with-no-updates-on-search-plans

 

[Nocgirl]

Does anyone know what this is, or is this part of a previous story? I just pulled this off of abcnews home page

http://abcnews.go.com/International...ebris-found-island-off-african-coast-40103736

 

[watcher9]

Does anyone know what this is, or is this part of a previous story? I just pulled this off of abcnews home page

http://abcnews.go.com/International...ebris-found-island-off-african-coast-40103736

This sounds like new debris. I found the same article on Fox News site. Still looking for one with a picture.
Pemba Island is out from the northeast corner of the country Tanzania where it borders on Kenya. This is north of Mozambique and Madagascar. .

a "piece of aircraft debris" was found on Pemba Island off the coast of Tanzania.

 

[watcher9]

In this article, they call the Tanzanian debris a "fragment" but show a picture of the big flaperon piece found on Reunion Island.
The picture made me gasp for a minute.

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/africa/-/1066/3264750/-/92nmvo/-/index.html

 

[watcher9]

There is a picture in this article which shows a big object almost shaped like the flaperon. If this is the newly found object, it's a lot bigger than a fragment. They say the object was found on the Kojani beach on Kojana Island which looks like a extension next to the eastern shore of Pemba Island.

http://jeffwise.net/2016/06/23/possible-mh370-debris-found-in-tanzania/

 

[Nocgirl]

Wow that's a huge piece. Looks similar to the flaperon that was found.

 

[Roselvr]

There is a picture in this article which shows a big object almost shaped like the flaperon. If this is the newly found object, it's a lot bigger than a fragment. They say the object was found on the Kojani beach on Kojana Island which looks like a extension next to the eastern shore of Pemba Island.

http://jeffwise.net/2016/06/23/possible-mh370-debris-found-in-tanzania/

Great find!

 

[watcher9]

Great find!

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Thanks.
I am excited each time something is found, especially if it may bring us closer to finding out what happened to MH370.
Analysis of the pictures determined it is most likely the inner 1/3 section of a 777 right outboard flap.
This article describes what is seen in each picture.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4yoanywmvgz911p/Analysis_2016-06-26.pdf?dl=0

 

[Roselvr]

Thanks.
I am excited each time something is found, especially if it may bring us closer to finding out what happened to MH370.
Analysis of the pictures determined it is most likely the inner 1/3 section of a 777 right outboard flap.
This article describes what is seen in each picture.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4yoanywmvgz911p/Analysis_2016-06-26.pdf?dl=0

Saw some of it on my cell, have to read tomorrow, its just too hard to read.

I'm excited too, been praying they find it before the search is over. If they do not, I hope someone is gonna go over the data and luck out seeing a shadow or something. Answer need to be found.

 

[Roselvr]

Thanks.
I am excited each time something is found, especially if it may bring us closer to finding out what happened to MH370.
Analysis of the pictures determined it is most likely the inner 1/3 section of a 777 right outboard flap.
This article describes what is seen in each picture.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4yoanywmvgz911p/Analysis_2016-06-26.pdf?dl=0

Thanks so much for posting it. Very emotional seeing the photos in the analysis, especially the one below because it really makes me wonder if the wings could have gone in intact, except for a few pieces. I always felt it went in whole but I don't know what I was thinking. Seeing the analysis makes me feel that they would have snapped off.

Was there a debris field that was missed? How could there not be with the parts that have washed ashore? How many more are on beaches that have not been found? There's also a large coast of Australia that could have debris too.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Has anyone got a comprehensive list / map of confirmed pieces? And has any more been said about the bags that were found? I'm intrigued because, as someone here noted, the bags look like cabin luggage...which means there could be other things from the cabin floating about. I think you all get what I mean!

I did always feel the plane would be found with all the passengers strapped into their seats, but if it's breaking up now I'm not so optimistic.

 

[ilovepierre]

Has anyone got a comprehensive list / map of confirmed pieces? And has any more been said about the bags that were found? I'm intrigued because, as someone here noted, the bags look like cabin luggage...which means there could be other things from the cabin floating about. I think you all get what I mean!

I did always feel the plane would be found with all the passengers strapped into their seats, but if it's breaking up now I'm not so optimistic.

The passengers could have still been strapped in.
It's been two years. Ocean water and sea creatures will have caused the bodies to decompose quicker (hate to write that...)

 

[watcher9]

Weekly update -

Bad weather continues to plague the search, but this was new.

In the event of further poor weather, or delays as a result of unforeseeable problems such as equipment failure or crew incapacity, searching the entire 120,000 square kilometre search area may continue well beyond the winter months.

https://www.atsb.gov.au/mh370-pages/updates/operational-update/

 

[Roselvr]

The passengers could have still been strapped in.
It's been two years. Ocean water and sea creatures will have caused the bodies to decompose quicker (hate to write that...)

I wonder what would get in the plane if it's still together? The plane should be pretty tightly sealed unless windows broke from pressure as it sunk. I have no experience with planes under water so I don't know.

Weekly update -

Bad weather continues to plague the search, but this was new.

In the event of further poor weather, or delays as a result of unforeseeable problems such as equipment failure or crew incapacity, searching the entire 120,000 square kilometre search area may continue well beyond the winter months.

https://www.atsb.gov.au/mh370-pages/updates/operational-update/

Thanks so much for the update

 

[gregjrichards]

Weekly update -

Bad weather continues to plague the search, but this was new.

In the event of further poor weather, or delays as a result of unforeseeable problems such as equipment failure or crew incapacity, searching the entire 120,000 square kilometre search area may continue well beyond the winter months.

https://www.atsb.gov.au/mh370-pages/updates/operational-update/

I'm really shocked the search is still going I'm pleased it is though.