Malaysia airlines MH370 with 239 people on board, 8 March 2014 #26

[LinasK]

The plane location will be found someday, I am quite sure. There will be some closure for the families.

I just read an article a couple of days ago of some guy who had a good idea where it might be in the Indian Ocean I believe... don't have the specifics handy....

 

[Charlot123]

He locked out the co-pilot so that he couldn't stop him??? I wondered why he didn't try.

It is just a version. The movie that I saw showed basically filigree and very well-planned and detailed work. Moreover, it had to be a pilot who knew Boeing 777 very well. It had to be one of the pilots, but tbh, the co-pilot had neither the experience nor the knowledge to do it. You can lock yourself in the cabin. There is a universal code to override it (known to the crew.) If Zaharie locked himself and had a heart attack, the co-pilot could still open the door, so they assumed the co-pilot tried to log in the universal code, but it was inactivated from inside.

You do want to watch that Green Dot Aviation video. It mentions some “marks” Shah left. One of them, curiously, has to do with the knob that manually switches off the transponder. It has several positions, one of them being altitude zero. Ironically, that moment - getting through “alt zero” position - was caught by the radar before the plane went dark.

 

[tezi]

Have we heard anything about when or if they are going to search again? The families deserve some sort of closure. I also think that the world deserves to know exactly what happened.

JMO, IMO, and all other disclaimers.

 

[Bats]

Malaysia to resume search for MH370 — 10 years after it vanished

 

[Bats]

MOO....
1. Suicide - No
Depressed suicidal people don't 'normally' involve so many other unknown people in their suicide.

2. Murder/suicide - No
If someone was planning an extremely detailed and difficult way to kill so many people and themselves, right at the very top of the checklist when planning such an event would be to make sure people know why you did it.

I believe there was an explosion in the front of the aircraft in the cargo. It was enough to puncture a hole in the aircraft which caused it to momentarily loose control. There were lots of alarms going off in the cockpit and along with perhaps a fire and smoke, there was a major decompression. Perhaps one pilot began operating an extinguisher.

The pilot at the controls managed to gain some control and put the aircraft in a turn to head back to the nearest airport.

All this took around 1 minute and hypoxia had set in. The pilot after completing the turn and regaining some control, prioritised working out what had happened over a rapid decent and by this time it was already too late.

The crew and passengers may have had oxygen for a little while but without the rapid decent also would surcom to hypoxia.

Knowing how planes work, if it had been roughly manually trimmed after the turn, it most probably just kept flying. If the engines where running, the motion of the plane would be a rocking motion. Up and down and side to side, over a distance, relatively straight or an arc but would sometimes turn a little depending on the rocking and the wind.

To me, the turns (after the first turnaround) look normal for a plane that is flying itself. That is, just the wind and the natural rocking that alters the direction. Exactly how an aircraft behaves under power but without flaps, ailerons or rudder being applied...

Side note:
A good percentage of people who use Microsoft Flight Simulator, are actually pilots!

The pilot saying "Good night, MH370" is not something suspicious in pilot radio language.

 

[Herat]

I hope Malaysia has some new electronic or other specific data from which to search anew.

 

[Trebor5591]

MOO....
1. Suicide - No
Depressed suicidal people don't 'normally' involve so many other unknown people in their suicide.

2. Murder/suicide - No
If someone was planning an extremely detailed and difficult way to kill so many people and themselves, right at the very top of the checklist when planning such an event would be to make sure people know why you did it.

<snip>

Disagree 100%. Pilots do commit mass murder as part of their suicide. That's not just my opinion, that's a fact. You remember the pilot named Andreas Lubitz, who deliberately crashed a Germanwings airliner into the French Alps on 24 March 2015, killing himself and 149 other people?

Germanwings crash: Who was co-pilot Andreas Lubitz?

What we know about the young German co-pilot whio crashed an airliner into the Alps.

www.bbc.com

Read this about the pilot of MH370: "New report explores the pilot of MH370 troubled personal life, likely scenario of what happened on flight"​

Troubled MH370 pilot 'killed passengers before sea crash'

Pilot climbed to 40,000 feet to kill passengers before sea crash: new theory.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[tezi]

I really hope the plane is found this time! There are 239 families that deserve answers.

 

[SouthAussie]

Read this about the pilot of MH370: "New report explores the pilot of MH370 troubled personal life, likely scenario of what happened on flight"

Troubled MH370 pilot 'killed passengers before sea crash'

Pilot climbed to 40,000 feet to kill passengers before sea crash: new theory.

www.nzherald.co.nz

That is a Daily Mail article, reproduced by the NZ Herald.

From the ABC article linked above by @Bats it says that ..... Investigators have said there was nothing suspicious in the background, financial affairs, training and mental health of both the captain and co-pilot.

(Just thinking that the DM tends to seek out sensationalism for click bait. imo )

 

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[Bats]

Disagree 100%. Pilots do commit mass murder as part of their suicide. That's not just my opinion, that's a fact. You remember the pilot named Andreas Lubitz, who deliberately crashed a Germanwings airliner into the French Alps on 24 March 2015, killing himself and 149 other people?

Germanwings crash: Who was co-pilot Andreas Lubitz?

What we know about the young German co-pilot whio crashed an airliner into the Alps.

www.bbc.com

Read this about the pilot of MH370: "New report explores the pilot of MH370 troubled personal life, likely scenario of what happened on flight"​

Troubled MH370 pilot 'killed passengers before sea crash'

Pilot climbed to 40,000 feet to kill passengers before sea crash: new theory.

www.nzherald.co.nz

I wasn't talking about one of the pilots. I was talking about anyone.

That being said, yes, I remember that one you mentioned. It's not 'normal' behaviour though. Actually extremely rare for a pilot to commit such an act. You say "pilots do commit mass murder" like it's a regular thing. I'm sure dentists, police officers and politicians all commit mass murder too.

If it was the intention to kill many people, wouldn't it be a lot easier to have it happen almost straight away, in the vicinity, plane fully loaded with fuel? Not hours into the flight and many hours after the plane actually turns back.

There is apparently no note or communication as why it was done if it was intentional.
Why would someone intentionally commit such a strange but deliberate act and then forget to tell anyone why they were intentionally doing it?
Makes no sense to me.

 

[PrairieWind]

I wasn't talking about one of the pilots. I was talking about anyone.

That being said, yes, I remember that one you mentioned. It's not 'normal' behaviour though. Actually extremely rare for a pilot to commit such an act. You say "pilots do commit mass murder" like it's a regular thing. I'm sure dentists, police officers and politicians all commit mass murder too.

If it was the intention to kill many people, wouldn't it be a lot easy to have it happen almost straight away, in the vicinity, plane fully loaded with fuel? Not hours into the flight and many hours after the plane actually turns back.

There is apparently no note or communication as why it was done if it was intentional.
Why would someone intentionally commit such a strange but deliberate act and then forget to tell anyone why they were intentionally doing it?
Makes no sense to me.

It is extremely rare for any one particular group to do it, but it DOES happen. It is extremely unlike that anyone will commit murder, but it still happens frequently around the world.
Something happened to this plane. And so far, the theory that best fits the known facts is that one of the pilots did this intentionally.
It could make sense if one of the pilots, distraught or facing a crisis of some sort, wanted to lash out, and end his own life. He flies the plane to the hand off point, where its disappearance wont be evident for some time, disables the transponders, eliminates the passengers, and turns around. The flight path from there does not appear random, but designed to evade detection and then off into some of the most remote ocean on Earth. Not leaving a note is not uncommon in suicide. And I think it was part of his plan, for this to be a mystery.

 

[Bats]

It is extremely rare for any one particular group to do it, but it DOES happen. It is extremely unlike that anyone will commit murder, but it still happens frequently around the world.
Something happened to this plane. And so far, the theory that best fits the known facts is that one of the pilots did this intentionally.
It could make sense if one of the pilots, distraught or facing a crisis of some sort, wanted to lash out, and end his own life. He flies the plane to the hand off point, where its disappearance wont be evident for some time, disables the transponders, eliminates the passengers, and turns around. The flight path from there does not appear random, but designed to evade detection and then off into some of the most remote ocean on Earth. Not leaving a note is not uncommon in suicide. And I think it was part of his plan, for this to be a mystery.

Anyone watching the plane on a flight tracker would have immediately seen that the plane has turned around.
It was only through a bumbling response that it took so long to work out the plane was missing.
Ordinarily, this wouldn't happen. The pilot certainly wouldn't have known that the response was going to be poor and that he'd have hours and hours to fly to the Indian Ocean somewhere.

I feel awful that the pilots keep getting blamed for mass murder when there is simply no evidence at all.

 

[PrairieWind]

Anyone watching the plane on a flight tracker would have immediately seen that the plane has turned around.
It was only through a bumbling response that it took so long to work out the plane was missing.
Ordinarily, this wouldn't happen. The pilot certainly wouldn't have known that the response was going to be poor and that he'd have hours and hours to fly to the Indian Ocean somewhere.

I feel awful that the pilots keep getting blamed for mass murder when there is simply no evidence at all.

It wouldn't have appeared on Flight Tracker because the pilot switched the transponder off. Flight Tracker would have just shown it continuing on its planned course for some time. There was nothing to show it turning around other than active military radar. The captain would have known this. He knew he had some time before anyone was looking.

 

[LinasK]

I wasn't talking about one of the pilots. I was talking about anyone.

That being said, yes, I remember that one you mentioned. It's not 'normal' behaviour though. Actually extremely rare for a pilot to commit such an act. You say "pilots do commit mass murder" like it's a regular thing. I'm sure dentists, police officers and politicians all commit mass murder too.

If it was the intention to kill many people, wouldn't it be a lot easier to have it happen almost straight away, in the vicinity, plane fully loaded with fuel? Not hours into the flight and many hours after the plane actually turns back.

There is apparently no note or communication as why it was done if it was intentional.
Why would someone intentionally commit such a strange but deliberate act and then forget to tell anyone why they were intentionally doing it?
Makes no sense to me.

There was also the recent case of the attempted suicide by the Alaska Airlines pilot who had taken mushrooms and tried to bring down the whole plane but was stopped.

 

[tezi]

It wouldn't have appeared on Flight Tracker because the pilot switched the transponder off. Flight Tracker would have just shown it continuing on its planned course for some time. There was nothing to show it turning around other than active military radar. The captain would have known this. He knew he had some time before anyone was looking.

PrairieWind, I agree. The captain knew everything to know about that plane. I just hope this time they find it, so the 239 families finally have the answers they deserve.

 

[Bats]

My point was that the response was a shermozzle and was the reason the plane flew undetected for hours and hours.
I find it so much harder to believe that it was the genius of someone on board as being the reason it flew undetected for hours and hours.

Whoever 'turned off' the transponder, if it was in fact done on purpose, certainly wouldn't have known they'd have hours and hours up their sleeve to fly undetected somewhere in the Indian Ocean.
Why not fly a direct route to the Indian Ocean? Why was it important that the plane kept flying until it ran out of fuel when the inevitable result would be the same?

It all seems far fetched when crashing at the end of the runway would achieve the same result.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Disagree 100%. Pilots do commit mass murder as part of their suicide. That's not just my opinion, that's a fact. You remember the pilot named Andreas Lubitz, who deliberately crashed a Germanwings airliner into the French Alps on 24 March 2015, killing himself and 149 other people?

Germanwings crash: Who was co-pilot Andreas Lubitz?

What we know about the young German co-pilot whio crashed an airliner into the Alps.

www.bbc.com

Read this about the pilot of MH370: "New report explores the pilot of MH370 troubled personal life, likely scenario of what happened on flight"​

Troubled MH370 pilot 'killed passengers before sea crash'

Pilot climbed to 40,000 feet to kill passengers before sea crash: new theory.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Also silk air 185
Egypt air 990

Both suicides

It’s not uncommon for suicide people to take others with them … deliberate road accidents, suicide by cop after shooting others

IMO it was pilots reaction to politician’s friend conviction for sodomy which was reported early when it went missing then Malaysia gov started controlling news …

 

[Bats]

DBM

 

[Panniniclaus]

Hard to believe how much time has passed. The experts seem confident this was a deliberate act but stop short of naming anyone. .