Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #1

[Plumeria5]

To contradict my own belief that this is not a terrorist related attack, Australian media heading this for this article states that 5 checked in but failed to board... but I also read an official malaysian airlines release that their luggage was removed???


http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...fter-it-vanished/story-fnizu68q-1226849877056

I'm trying to come up with a reasonable answer as to why 5 people would show up at an airport, check their bags, and then not fly. Barring some sort of last minute family emergency, I can't come up with one. So these 5 were not listed on the manifesto I take it?

 

[belimom]

Yes, that was reported either last night or this morning. I only fly domestically (US), but if I check in and get a boarding pass, my bags go on that plane and to the destination on my ticket, even if I don't make the flight.

Why take the baggage off the flight? Is that normal for international travel?

I've been on flights where we were delayed because they were removing luggage for a passenger who did not board, both domestically and internationally.

Pre-9/11, I'm not sure this was standard protocol. But I missed a flight once after checking in - about 20 yrs ago. (insert long story) My luggage went without me. I don't think that happens much anymore. I could be wrong, but that's just my experience.

 

[ShaneO]

This whole thing is so strange. A plane just disappearing and no signs of a trace of where it is. My belief is a terrorist attack. As I can't get over 2 people with stolen passports buying tickets at the same time, and now 5 checking in and not boarding is so bizarre.

 

[MsFacetious]

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https://twitter.com/TrongKhanhVu

 

[Leilei]

Its standard proceedure for pretty much all airlines domestic and international as far as I am aware.

I mean... if someone is that lacking in confidence in travelling too close to their own suitcase that it makes them decide to take the next flight, then its only fair the rest of us should take their advice and give them back the bags before we take-off hahaha

Lol consider this my "derp" post of the day. I'm sure I'll have many more, the longer this goes on :blushing: :seeya:

 

[sherlockh]

I've been on flights where we were delayed because they were removing luggage for a passenger who did not board, both domestically and internationally.

Pre-9/11, I'm not sure this was standard protocol. But I missed a flight once after checking in - about 20 yrs ago. (insert long story) My luggage went without me. I don't think that happens much anymore. I could be wrong, but that's just my experience.

It is standard protocol now to remove bags of passengers that do not show up. It happens all the time. Especially when early check-in is offered. There are people that leave the airport after dropping their bags and all kinds of things can happen why they not show up. I have had many delays because of people not showing up at the gate and their bags had to be removed.

 

[Derryn Hunch]

I'm trying to come up with a reasonable answer as to why 5 people would show up at an airport, check their bags, and then not fly. Barring some sort of last minute family emergency, I can't come up with one. So these 5 were not listed on the manifesto I take it?

Just loved the Duty Free Shopping I guess

All jokes aside though - KLA is split up into two main terminals, the check in counters and immigration has the last of the resturants worth eating at with normal non captive customer prices...

Then there is the Domestic gates directly attached to that...

To get to the International Departures "enclosure" I call it, you catch a transport tram over the flightline about 1KM away and that is purposely designed to confuse the hell out of anyone without a GPS, MAP and COMPASS in their carry on. The reason would be so that the stores and resturants in layout get equal traffic exposure as it encourages you to do circles trying to find your way to the place you have just come from or want to go... lol

Point is - I could see how someone who was running with not much time to fool around could get lost or fail to cross to the other terminal in time not knowing it was there...

 

[Derryn Hunch]

And if it does turn out that some clown and his muppet mate brought a combination of items and liquids within the allowable qnty's aboard - and were able to assemble it and detonate it with such effectiveness that it has brought down the plane, then we can kiss goodbye to the recent repealing of the 100ml liquids and aerosol restrictions

In some countries (australia for instance) it was no longer law...they still enforced it unfortunately... but there was hope it would be history. It was a pain in the butt.

Anyway, fat chance of seeing the end of that now..

 

[revampz]

I asked whether the plane was delayed because of the removing of the luggage before, but it hasn't been mentioned in any MSM that it was delayed, but it would have been....I have been delayed for nearly an hour on a domestic flight because someone didn't board and they had to take the luggage off......they have to allow a certain amount of time, and then find said luggage etc...

I thought maybe the 5 that didn't board were a family or similar and maybe one got sick and they told someone, but have just read that the airline, check in, counter etc were NOT informed by the 5 travellers that they weren't travelling....

Therefore the plane would have been delayed by at least 1/2 hour, probably more while they chased them and got their luggage off.

I don't know if that made any difference where it vanished or not.....

I also find that extremely odd that 5 people did not board that flight but had checked in with luggage!!!

It does happen on domestic flights, but on an international flight and not let anyone know!!! and leaving your luggage on it to end up in another country......I find that seriously strange, have these people come forward and been interviewed????? MSM seems to now be stating that this was also another strange thing re this flight....

 

[Plumeria5]

Just loved the Duty Free Shopping I guess

All jokes aside though - KLA is split up into two main terminals, the check in counters and immigration has the last of the resturants worth eating at with normal non captive customer prices...

Then there is the Domestic gates directly attached to that...

To get to the International Departures "enclosure" I call it, you catch a transport tram over the flightline about 1KM away and that is purposely designed to confuse the hell out of anyone without a GPS, MAP and COMPASS in their carry on. The reason would be so that the stores and resturants in layout get equal traffic exposure as it encourages you to do circles trying to find your way to the place you have just come from or want to go... lol

Point is - I could see how someone who was running with not much time to fool around could get lost or fail to cross to the other terminal in time not knowing it was there...

The airlines will know if these 5 were a group traveling together, such as a family, or 5 separate individuals with no "supposed" connections. If they are 5 individuals that is where it becomes much more suspicious.

My family missed a flight in Dallas thinking we were right by the gate, ate breakfast, then realized we had to take the tram. Barely made our flight but by that time they had given our seats together up so we had to sit scattered throughout the plane.

 

[Derryn Hunch]

I can't think of any liquid that is stable enough on its own and under 100ml or even 200ml that would have enough explosive detonation pressure to do it... Even C4 would have to be set as a shape charge in order to make it an almost certain bet it would not just piss off the guy sleeping in the seat next to you...

 

[Plumeria5]

I asked whether the plane was delayed because of the removing of the luggage before, but it hasn't been mentioned in any MSM that it was delayed, but it would have been....I have been delayed for nearly an hour on a domestic flight because someone didn't board and they had to take the luggage off......they have to allow a certain amount of time, and then find said luggage etc...

I thought maybe the 5 that didn't board were a family or similar and maybe one got sick and they told someone, but have just read that the airline, check in, counter etc were NOT informed by the 5 travellers that they weren't travelling....

Therefore the plane would have been delayed by at least 1/2 hour, probably more while they chased them and got their luggage off.

I don't know if that made any difference where it vanished or not.....

I also find that extremely odd that 5 people did not board that flight but had checked in with luggage!!!

It does happen on domestic flights, but on an international flight and not let anyone know!!! and leaving your luggage on it to end up in another country......I find that seriously strange, have these people come forward and been interviewed????? MSM seems to now be stating that this was also another strange thing re this flight....

I agree and is the airline positive they got "all" of their luggage off the plane?

 

[Scottndianner]

The passenger manifest which was posted up thread contains many from Malaysia with Muslim names. Islam is the "state religion" of Malaysia.

Regarding the co-pilot:

Fariq, the youngest son of Selangor Public Works Department deputy director Abdul Hamid Mad Daud, has recorded more than 2,763 hours of flying time. He began his career with MAS in 2007.

Read more: MISSING MH370: Co-pilot family awaits for latest updates - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-c...its-for-latest-updates-1.503079#ixzz2vWVjyvHI

MOO

Nothing suspicious about anyone being Muslim. Just pointing out some facts, since it had not been done so previously....His age is what made me take note. It's just a note. Nothing more..the fact that he started with the airlines in 2007, is another note...Back to the real question I originally asked..What is the average age of a commercial airliner co-pilot? He's 27? Started in 2007? Doing what?

 

[MsFacetious]

UPDATE [2.25pm]: A video shows how the missing aircraft may have 'disintegrated mid-air', a possible theory behind the disappearance of MH370.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/video/investigators-malaysian-airliner-may-disintegrated-024151039.html

http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraft-goes-missing--says-airline-023820132.html

 

[Dr. Know?]

I've been reading over the weekend. It's just devasting for all involved. Heartbreaking.

I want to know now like everyone else as to how it happened.

RIP everyone on Malaysia's ariliner that went down. RIP

It almost sounds like if there might be more than 2, there was possibly be a group with 6 now?

I've tried to keep up some on reading articles throughout the day and yesterday.

Just horrible and extremely thought provoking to people like many of us.

RIP all. Strength to the families. Stay close together I hope.

So much for security, Interpol and all...great. No racial profiling maybe? garrrr

 

[Derryn Hunch]

But then it begs the question of why a so highly organised and determined group of people have on one hand managed to avoid a visit from the intelligence authority's and successfully execute their intended mission to take down an airliner - but on the other, fail to see the potential neon sign on the head of two chinese guys named Luigi and Mario from Italy who didn't speak a word of italian and couldn't make themseves a real pizza if they ordered it online and customized the toppings.

And the same argument stands for why would they make the mistake of booking tickets and walking to the gate to see the Malaysian Airlines jet waiting for them?

Even assuming that once they all stopped laughing at how stupid whoever the guy in the group was in charge of booking the flights, I'm sure that once he had been given the good news that he would now be taking the place of one of the guys who was supposed to be on the plane and self sacrifice after proving himself inept - they would also have the discussion about how they should maybe stick to the plan and buy some seats on the right airline and come back another day, rather than take out the airline of a country who's religion practically invented retribution through terrorism.

 

[Steely Dan]

UPDATE [2.25pm]: A video shows how the missing aircraft may have 'disintegrated mid-air', a possible theory behind the disappearance of MH370.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/video/vietnam-looks-possible-wreckage-malaysian-051207522.html

http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraft-goes-missing--says-airline-023820132.html

I didn't see anything in that video about the plane disintegrating. :dunno: Did I miss it?

 

[MsFacetious]

I didn't see anything in that video about the plane disintegrating. :dunno: Did I miss it?

I didn't watch it, just posted the link....

 

[iulia]

Maybe the 5 persons who didn't board the plane had made their check-in online and never showed up at the airport. From what I've seen on Malaysia Airline website you can check in online up to 48 hours in advance, plenty of time for something to go wrong and miss the flight.

 

[revampz]

I have absolutely no understanding about this: so could someone explain how there is oil slicks but no debris??? Even if the plane had crashed into the sea, wouldn't there be some debris from the impact.......basically I am just not understanding the no debris bit.....can it go into the sea say nose first and not break up???? and therefore the whole plane being intact on the bottom of the deep deep sea???

sorry if these questions seem silly, but like I said, I have absolutely no understanding of this type of thing.