Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #11

[MsFacetious]

Steely... That's your cue... :winko:

No, Steely is a good boy because this is NOT the Jury Room.
He knows to be on his best behavior, Kimster is right up there. :seeya:

 

[Derryn Hunch]

Derryn, our wonderful resident pilot... would you need to "practice" crashing an airplane?
I don't fly but I know if you push that thingie forward it will go down.
I would think an experienced pilot would not need to "practice" crashing. :facepalm:

Well, oddly enough, yes - all pilots will "Practice" "Crash Landing" as part of basic training. Its one of the first things you learn as a pilot and it involves basically being aware at all times where a potential place to "Put her down" is and then going out and finding a place to make such a practice approach (a farmers paddock or open area where permission has been sought and most often commonly used for exactly this type of training) - then you pull back the power, hold the attitude, identify the place your aiming for, assess it for feasability (are you going to be able too make it?) and make a visual for a glide approach into that spot, whilst configuring the aircraft for it.

During practice, you would obviously re-apply the power and climb out at the last minute instead of touching down, but yes, long story short, that's pretty much what that is all about - making a controlled crash landing.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

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#BREAKING - US P-8 crew "getting radar hits of significant size" in search for flight #MH370. Eyewitness News live coverage at 11p on @ABC7

 

[Seabreeze1]

My apologies regarding the sea snake comment I truly thought that's what they said:tantrum:

Try searching " Snake eats croc" which recently happened here gives me the willys.

 

[gitana1]

What makes me believe that this is the missing plane is the Prime Minister made an announcement to parliament prior to the story being released publicly. He must have been very confident of the information to do this.

I agree. And there is something moving, to me, about the sobriety and seriousness of the announcement. THAT is how a government should relay info., Malaysia.

TES was founded by a father who didn't know where his daughter was, for years. He says the not knowing is worse.

These families deserve to know.

 

[Peanutty]

So is it possible there could still be survivors after all this time? After a crash and then floating at sea?! Or am I just being outlandishly optimistic?? It seems like quite an urgent effort to get to the debris with several boats and planes. Makes me think that *they* think survivors are a (remote) possibility?

 

[Hatfield]

My kinda horse!!!

That horse could be me when a piece of seaweed or a fish brushes against me!


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I used to be fine swimming in the ocean until I got older and realized all the creatures that are swimming in there along with us. :floorlaugh:

 

[CARIIS]

I dont know I think they meant until they know what it is I think world pressure would result in them having to get them there if its the wreckage cause it did mean that was the flights final moments...

In the SilkAir Flight the families went to the scene... even before investigators.
That was also very remote and there was very little left. :twocents:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig9LE0Vp1YM&list=PLpk2k4TVmH5jy09iZ2NQuBDiGCo0qESyW

 

[Waddles]

My apologies regarding the sea snake comment I truly thought that's what they said:tantrum:

Try searching " Snake eats croc" which recently happened here gives me the willys.

yes that was an incredible thing to watch!!

 

[SilkySifaka]

Like they would want to go....

IMO


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many relatives want to go to the scene where their loved one perished. I have seen it before where they throw flowers into the water at the scene and say prayers over it

 

[MsFacetious]

No, I mean would you need to practice CRASHING.
The article up there said they were checking his flight simulator to see if he had practiced crashing the plane.
They mentioned other pilot suicides (SilkAir, etc.)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-few-keystrokes-us-officials/article17538563/

As in nose diving it to kill everyone. Would you need to PRACTICE that?

Well, oddly enough, yes - all pilots will "Practice" "Crash Landing" as part of basic training. Its one of the first things you learn as a pilot and it involves basically being aware at all times where a potential place to "Put her down" is and then going out and finding a place to make such a practice approach (a farmers paddock or open area where permission has been sought and most often commonly used for exactly this type of training) - then you pull back the power, hold the attitude, identify the place your aiming for, assess it for feasability (are you going to be able too make it?) and make a visual for a glide approach into that spot, whilst configuring the aircraft for it.

During practice, you would obviously re-apply the power and climb out at the last minute instead of touching down, but yes, long story short, that's pretty much what that is all about - making a controlled crash landing.

 

[Leilei]

Well, oddly enough, yes - all pilots will "Practice" "Crash Landing" as part of basic training. Its one of the first things you learn as a pilot and it involves basically being aware at all times where a potential place to "Put her down" is and then going out and finding a place to make such a practice approach (a farmers paddock or open area where permission has been sought and most often commonly used for exactly this type of training) - then you pull back the power, hold the attitude, identify the place your aiming for, assess it for feasability (are you going to be able too make it?) and make a visual for a glide approach into that spot, whilst configuring the aircraft for it.

During practice, you would obviously re-apply the power and climb out at the last minute instead of touching down, but yes, long story short, that's pretty much what that is all about - making a controlled crash landing.

That has got to be a tremendously stressful part of training.

 

[Isabelle]

Like they would want to go....

IMO


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You would be surprised. When my son was killed in an auto accident I insisted on seeing his car in the wrecker yard. Everyone tried to talk me out of it and I just about flipped out. My husband took me. I had to see it, feel it and experience it. I am glad I did.

 

[CARIIS]

If they worked in the last two hours if someone lit up yes!

ANd I am not joking, they find out lots by the sounds of which switches were being manipulated, warnings that go off, how long they are on,engine background levels all sorts of stuff . I have listened to tons of em online . Its identical to a true crime story.

They do what happened to the passengers , human factors, survivability studies, instrument readings, pushback, how long taxi, everything .


The reports start off with what happened (to the second like 02:48:19!). Everything. Then the second half is analysis. THen third section is reccs and the finale is probable cause.

NTSB has no "power" to MAKE changes happen ..... they make reccs and then the FAA stalls, does nothing until there is another accident with same characteritics and then the FAA goes nuts

There online
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/Month.aspx

just check one out

Will it let us know if the pilots were smoking?

 

[MsFacetious]

Jon Ostrower ‏@jonostrower 42s

I'll be joining @andersoncooper on CNN in just a moment to discuss the latest on #MH370. :woohoo:

 

[gregjrichards]

It looks like the Malaysian press conference is on hold until actual plane wreckage is confirmed according to CNN. Please post if you find out when the press conference is going to be. I will keep an eye out for this information also.

 

[Kimster]

Isabelle, I'm so sorry you've had to go through such sorrow. :tears:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

yes and we also had a peacock too.

Bet you didn't have a "Wiener", though ... Did you? :facepalm:

:floorlaugh:

 

[Hatfield]

Hey

I want it found for both the families and the world but I just want you guys to know that even if boxes are found (unless the cockpit voice recorder stopped 2 hours after TAKEOFF) it will remain mysterious...

THe flight data recorder answers what : what was the plane doing and what inputs were the pilots doing

But the cockpit voice recorder often tells the why were the pilots doing what they were doing

ANd I think the only way to know the last 5 hours is to know what happened it the very first two -that is the ultimate question as to why the last 5 hours happened ...

does that make sense....dont know if I worded it right....

Regardless of the boxes data, researchers will be able to get lots of clues from the debris. Like fire scars, whether a bomb blew it up, etc. Much will be learned from the wreckkage alone

 

[MLO]

So is it possible there could still be survivors after all this time? After a crash and then floating at sea?! Or am I just being outlandishly optimistic?? It seems like quite an urgent effort to get to the debris with several boats and planes. Makes me think that *they* think survivors are a (remote) possibility?

I would guess no. Not in water that cold and rough.

Does anyone one know what would be out there, shark wise? I know they go south but I'm not sure if they'd be that far out west?