Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #2

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  • #701
A question for anyone familiar with the 777. Years ago a AirTrans A-330 ran out of fuel over the Atlantic. And thus lost all electrical power. It was able to glide to an airport on Tenerife i think. The A-330 had a little propeller that deployed into the wind to generate enough power to communicate and control the plane. Does the Boeing 777 have similar capability to generate minimal electrical power in case of a total engine failure?
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[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_GE90"]General Electric GE90 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

" In October 2003, a Boeing 777-300ER broke the ETOPS record by being able to fly five and a half hours (330 minutes) with one engine shut down.[1] The aircraft, with GE90-115B engines, flew from Seattle to Taiwan as part of the ETOPS certification programme.

The GE90 series are physically the largest engines in aviation history, the fan diameter of the original series being 312 cm (123 in). The largest variant, the GE90-115B, has a fan diameter of 325 cm (128 in). As a result, GE90 engines can only be airfreighted in assembled form by outsize cargo aircraft such as the Antonov An-124 Condor, presenting unique problems if, due to emergency diversions, a 777 were stranded in a place without the proper spare parts. If the fan is removed from the core, then the engines may be shipped on a 747 Freighter.[2]]Apart from its size, the GE90-115B is powerful enough to fully operate GE's Boeing 747 testbed on its own power[3][4] as was demonstrated during a maximum thrust, low speed flight test on board the aircraft"





"According to the Guinness Book of Records, at 127,900 pounds-force (569 kN)f, the engine holds the record for the highest thrust (although rated at 115,300 pounds-force (513 kN)f). This thrust record was accomplished inadvertently as part of a one-hour, triple-red-line engine stress test. In order to accommodate the increase in torsional stresses an entirely new steel alloy (GE1014) had to be created and then machined to extreme tolerances.[14] The new record was set during testing of a GE90-115B development engine at GE Aviations' Peebles Test Operation, which is an outdoor test complex outside Peebles, Ohio. It eclipsed the engine's previous Guinness world record of 122,965 pounds-force (546.98 kN).[15]

On November 10, 2005, the GE90 entered the Guinness World Records for a second time. The GE90-110B1 powered a 777-200LR during the world's longest flight by a commercial airliner, though there were no fare-paying passengers on the flight, only journalists and invited guests. The 777-200LR flew 13,422 miles (21,601 km) in 22 hours, 42 minutes, flying from Hong Kong to London "the long way": over the Pacific, over the continental U.S., then over the Atlantic to London.[16]
Airworthiness Directive

The FAA issued an Airworthiness Directive on May 16, 2013 and sent it to owners and operators of General Electric Company (GE) GE90-110B1 and GE90-115B turbofan engines. This emergency AD was prompted by reports of two failures of transfer gearbox assemblies (TGBs) which resulted in in-flight shutdowns (IFSDs). Investigation has revealed that the failures were caused by TGB radial gear cracking and separation. Further inspections found two additional radial gears with cracks. This condition, if not corrected, could result in additional IFSDs of one or more engines, loss of thrust control, and damage to the airplane. The Airworthiness Directive requires compliance by taking remedial measures within 5 days of receipt of the AD.[17]"
 
  • #702
Re black box (still bothering me!)

Can they be switched off manually? My understanding was that they were bomb/sea/crash/everything proof so why on earth is it not pinging its location???

This to me seems the maddest part of this case.
 
  • #703
Did someone want that plane to go to the Middle East? Would it have had enough fuel after making the turn?

ETA: with the transponder off, once out of range or military radar, is there other radar that would have picked it up?
 
  • #704
Mystery Malaysia flight may have been hundreds of miles off course

By Michael Pearson and Jethro Mullen, CNN

updated 3:00 PM EDT, Tue March 11, 2014

(CNN) -- Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was hundreds of miles off course, traveling in the opposite direction from its original destination and had stopped sending identifying transponder codes before it disappeared, a senior Malaysian Air Force official told CNN Tuesday.

If correct, these are ominous signs that could call into question whether someone in the cockpit might have deliberately steered the plane away from its intended destination, a former U.S. aviation investigator said.

"This kind of deviation in course is simply inexplicable," said Paul Goelz, former managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
 
  • #705
I heard a couple of possible scenarios on CNN. Perhaps the co-pilot locked the pilot out of the cockpit, and turned the plane around, shut off the transponders and took it down...OR hijackers got into the cockpit and did same. OR there was a partial electrical failure and they flew on backup reserve power until it failed.

HOWEVER, in any of the above, wouldn't someone have texted or called loved ones and said goodbye?
 
  • #706
Mystery Malaysia flight may have been hundreds of miles off course

By Michael Pearson and Jethro Mullen, CNN

updated 3:00 PM EDT, Tue March 11, 2014

(CNN) -- Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was hundreds of miles off course, traveling in the opposite direction from its original destination and had stopped sending identifying transponder codes before it disappeared, a senior Malaysian Air Force official told CNN Tuesday.

If correct, these are ominous signs that could call into question whether someone in the cockpit might have deliberately steered the plane away from its intended destination, a former U.S. aviation investigator said.

"This kind of deviation in course is simply inexplicable," said Paul Goelz, former managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Bottom line, if the plane had problems and the pilot had to turn around, then he would have radioed in and also, would've flown back to the airport, not past it.

And if it was a decompression situation, ACARS info would be available, right? And they would be able to determine a crash site fairly quickly. I think?
 
  • #707
I'm hoping it possibly went down near that small island Palau Perak and that some of the passengers were able to swim to the island but perhaps have no cell service in the middle of the straight.

Wishful thinking.
 
  • #708
I heard a couple of possible scenarios on CNN. Perhaps the co-pilot locked the pilot out of the cockpit, and turned the plane around, shut off the transponders and took it down...OR hijackers got into the cockpit and did same. OR there was a partial electrical failure and they flew on backup reserve power until it failed.

HOWEVER, in any of the above, wouldn't someone have texted or called loved ones and said goodbye?

They would be too high to ping off ground towers, and they need power on the plane to access satellites so they may have tried and been unable to make a connection.
 
  • #709
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370"]Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
  • #710
I heard a couple of possible scenarios on CNN. Perhaps the co-pilot locked the pilot out of the cockpit, and turned the plane around, shut off the transponders and took it down...OR hijackers got into the cockpit and did same. OR there was a partial electrical failure and they flew on backup reserve power until it failed.

HOWEVER, in any of the above, wouldn't someone have texted or called loved ones and said goodbye?


An earlier post indicated the plane was not outfitted to allow cell phone use. At least that's what the post meant to me.
 
  • #711
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  • #712
  • #713
I want to see video of when it disappears from radar the second time.... :twocents:
 
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  • #715
The Malaccan Straits is a very busy shipping area. Many, many ships in that area.
 
  • #716
The Malaccan Straits is a very busy shipping area. Many, many ships in that area.

Would think one of them would seen something.
 
  • #717
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Reports: military radar indicates #MH370 changed course and flew at 3000 feet for 350 miles (about an hour) pic.twitter.com/38FWJFsamq

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[URL=http://s1220.photobucket.com/user/kimi_SFC/media/MH370_transponders_zps90cf02b8.jpg.html][/URL]

via https://twitter.com/CifJamestown/status/443465360549748736

Hope this is OK to bring over from twitter

You know when I look at that Map and see that it had to cross over land (people) I am some what surprised it was not shot down. Surely they would have seen the turn and tried to make contact, no? Once there was no communication wouldn't it have been viewed as a threat?
This is scary.
 
  • #718
Jamestown
@CifJamestown
Reports: military radar indicates #MH370 changed course and flew at 3000 feet for 350 miles (about an hour) pic.twitter.com/38FWJFsamq

Bio URL: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/major.asp


[URL=http://s1220.photobucket.com/user/kimi_SFC/media/MH370_transponders_zps90cf02b8.jpg.html][/URL]

via https://twitter.com/CifJamestown/status/443465360549748736

Hope this is OK to bring over from twitter

Didn't one of our pilots say if it lost complete power etc it could coast an hour before crashing if it wasn't landed. Something like that iirc.
 
  • #719
The Malaccan Straits is a very busy shipping area. Many, many ships in that area.

And also hundreds of fishing vessels at night.

Seems to be a cert that the plane drastically changed direction and was on radar over an hour after it stopped transponding. This has got to point to hijack or a pilot decision rather than catastrophic failure or a crash.

As I'm typing this I just caught the news, BBC now confirming it did change course. Changes everything in my opinion. Gotta be hijack or stolen to order.
 
  • #720
How do we know what the military radar picked up was this flight, assuming this is correct information.


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