Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #7

[squeaky]

I just don't want to believe it and I would like to hold a little more faith in this guy and not crucify him until the evidence is solid.

I agree with the sentiment 100%, but certainly you have to concede that the circumstantial evidence is mounting?

 

[aa9511]

That's why I don't think pilot suicide is a viable option at all. At least for myself I've completely taken that one off the table.

I have too. First of all, he would have had to somehow disable the other pilot. Secondly, this seems very well-planned and well-thought out. I just do not see this happening, but I could be wrong.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

But on the flip side, why not make it spectacular? They could have crashed it into a public place.

Exactly! Like right into the PM's house if he was that upset over everything and he blamed a certain party or person. He would make an obvious statement, yes?

 

[panthera]

Why would anyone care if they were wanting to make a political statement by killing 239 people and/or to commit suicide? The act itself would be the statement so no reason to even consider retrieval as an issue.

Unless the political statement was as much against China as the country the airline flew for. I still cannot dismiss the possibility it was to take out as many Chinese nationals as possible being they were the majority of passengers.

Keeping several possibilities in mind until more is known....

MOO

 

[newone]

But on the flip side, why not make it spectacular? They could have crashed it into a public place.

back in the '''olden days''' there were a number of hostage taking/hijacking events...(1970's) such as this one ((there were at least 3 involving JAL)

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847"]TWA Flight 847 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] - was a violent one but the one thing they all had in common was demands

this one is giving me 'chicken skin' -- I am so waiting to hear the other shoe 'drop' -- I believe they are alive and that they are negotiating ((please God))

 

[stx722]

I hope we can learn what other routes this pilot had flown over the years. Someone flying international routes over water would likely know some spots where a plane could be put down in an emergency, especially a 777.

Def. leaning toward one or more of the crew being involved. Maybe the pilot talked his officer into going along with him on whatever plot he had come up with, so they could cooperate to pull it off.

Maybe the co-pilot freaked out when it came down to go-time, and tried to fight the pilot for control of the plane, and ended up struggling, etc. I know right now, we have no idea what REALLY happened. We know certain actions took place, but not who carried them out or why.

It's all so bizarre at this point.
:banghead:

 

[Snoods]

In the time I'm been off of here, I've (of course) been thinking about this whole thing:

1. as someone mentioned in last thread, if they wanted a 777 to take somewhere in Pakistan/central asia/middle east area, why wouldn't they just hijack a 777 closer to where they wanted it? IF it is true that the plane took a west-ward track.
- radar over India/Pakistan/Afghanistan, and probably a lot of other countries in that area is going to be heavy and thus flying through there, even with transponder off, would be difficult.
-generally, the security monitoring in that area is higher than that of SouthEast Asia, b/c of ongoing terrorism, etc..
-getting visas? Someone said on last thread there is no visa required to get into Malaysia? But I'm not sure of this. So perhaps it was easier for the hijackers to get into Malaysia and thus easier to carry out their operation from there. Perhaps other countries were harder to get into.
-perhaps radar on the path they might have taken was not very high - they toe-ed the line b/w Malaysian and Vietnam ATC, and then through western edge of China? Isn't the western edge of China very sparsely populated?

Anyone with any other ideas of why they would decide to hijack plane from Kuala Lumpur (if that's what happened)?

****I will also add that pre-911 terrorist meeting was held in Kuala Lumpur - was this because it was easier for all these terrorists to get into Malaysia vs. other coutries?

This is why to me pilot involvement is looking more likely.

 

[SuziQ]

I know how things are looking right now - but I would hate to think this is the pilot. Its sacrilege that a pilot would do something like this - I know its happened before, the SilkAir pilot was an Ex-RSAF pilot who has a similar number of hours to this guy.


I just don't want to believe it and I would like to hold a little more faith in this guy and not crucify him until the evidence is solid.

The thing is though, he is the #1 person on the list of people on that plane with the know how and skill to pull this off. Authorities are stating this was a deliberate act. I'd have to ignore a lot to not be suspicious of him.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

For those interested in discussing seating on the plane, be sure to google the 777-200ER, not just 777. That's what this Boeing actually is, though newscasters have frequently shortened it to just the 777.

I know KLM's 777-200ER has a 3-3-3 seating pattern; not sure if Malaysia Airlines is the same.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Oh my, is this just a regional Texas thing or is anyone else seeing the "For Farmer's Only" online dating service commercial on Fox? With the woman in the mom jeans and the dude with the cover-alls? If it's just for Texas I'm moving.

No, they only wear mom jeans and cover-alls in Texas. They wouldn't consider doing such a thing in Oklahoma! You should move here.

 

[panthera]

But on the flip side, why not make it spectacular? They could have crashed it into a public place.

True also. Just speculating several possibilities!

Hopefully soon we will know something for certain...

MOO

 

[Snoods]

Margins are blown for me...... Anyone else?

Yes! I've been contol-minus-ing to make it...*ahem*...smaller...

 

[ElleElle]

I have ZERO knowledge of anything that could point to this but just a silly wild A-- guess....but what if the plane was actually '''intercepted'''/escorted by military jet and forced down....and it is all being hushed up until the right political moment (Indonesia, Borneo or whatever in the loop) -

BBM~ Maybe Malaysia shot it's own plane down?

BTW, I am not sure what to think at the moment. *key word - moment

1. The pilot suicide sounds plausible but I really don't think a pilot would take other lives. There was a one off time when this happened.
2. The plane being hijacked is possible via MA inside job or post 9/11 whole new level of terrorism.
3. The reason MH370 cannot be found, is because it is on land in one piece.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Michael K. former somebody and pilot

wants peeps to know not to worry about plane being used as a missile - too hard to go undetected in the skys (say what?)

Malaysian military knew plane was flying but didn't scramble any jets, why?
answer - transponder off so that's why - too hard to distinguish it as a plane (huh??)

(This guy isn't making much sense and talks way too fast, bs imo)

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

If margins are blown when posting pics, try resizing them to 700 pixels wide (if you use Photobucket)-- that is about the right width for posting on these pages.

 

[panthera]

Praying for more news in the morning....

Good night everyone!

:seeya:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Unless the political statement was as much against China as the country the airline flew for. I still cannot dismiss the possibility it was to take out as many Chinese nationals as possible being they were the majority of passengers.

Keeping several possibilities in mind until more is known....

MOO

Who has it in for China? This is like playing chess on a board with ten opposing sides.

 

[aa9511]

This is why to me pilot involvement is looking more likely.

Why would the pilot fly 7 or whatever hours off the flight path?

I'm sorry, I do not think it's pilot involvement.

If it was one or both of the pilots, WHY would they maybe fly to some place?? What is the motive of that?

One of the pilots has been flying for a long, long time. And we're to believe he suddenly got involved with terrorists?

I understand, you all can have your ideas about the pilots and you are free to do so, I would rather not be involved in that discussion and I will discuss other theories.

JMO.

 

[Derryn Hunch]

I agree with the sentiment 100%, but certainly you have to concede that the circumstantial evidence is mounting?

Yeh, I do agree - and I can't help but think about the meaning of the words that were said on that homemade webpage a few threads back that was about the pilot... A bit of a "who is the pilot" by family and friends that showed him cooking, playing with his remote control planes and home SIM etc... And specific mention of "please forget about his political affiliation and see who he is as a person" - I figured it meant something but being a non Malaysian and not knowing their political scene at the moment, had no idea how much of a clue that could be.

Or is it a red hearing? Is he the scapegoat here for a bigger cause. He wrote no manifesto and showed no purposeful reason for this desicion that would take out a few hundred people who were not part of the cause.

I don't believe that a pilot with this many hours would make a decision this extreme with consequences this far reaching with such loss of life and taint to his name and his family and his colleagues on a whim.

 

[ilovepierre]

For those interested in discussing seating on the plane, be sure to google the 777-200ER, not just 777. That's what this Boeing actually is, though newscasters have frequently shortened it to just the 777.

I know KLM's 777-200ER has a 3-3-3 seating pattern; not sure if Malaysia Airlines is the same.

The Malaysian Airlines seating plan I saw had a 2-5-2 arrangement. That was for the economy class. Business class was 2-3-2.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-10/boeing-777-200er-seat-map/5310340