Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #9

[newone]

Unfortunately, I think it means the passengers are dead.

Through my rose colored glasses I prefer to think all the cell phones have lost their charge.

 

[panthera]

As far as investigators have been able to determine, there have been no phone calls, Twitter or Weibo postings, Instagram photos or any other communication from anyone aboard the aircraft since it was diverted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/w...ne-calls-from-missing-passengers.html?hp&_r=0

bbm

Does that mean that they could communicate? Have we ever verified if they could use electronics.

Slightly ridiculous statement, in my opinion. Agree with you, there has been no indication anyone aboard had possession of or could use a cell phone, computer, I-pad, or whatever. We know now they couldn't while aboard the aircraft as it wasn't equipped for such use. Now that the plane MAY HAVE landed in some third world and/or communist country we're expecting Instagram or Twitter postings?

:banghead:

MOO

 

[Nova]

O/T I keep reading here about tin/tin foil hats. Excuse my ignorance but could someone please inform me what these hats are? TIA

It's American slang for crazy, based on stories of people who wore homemade tin-foil hats to keep "aliens" from hearing their thoughts. I have no idea whether such stories were true or apocryphal.

 

[Intermezzo]

Thom Patterson ‏@thompatterson Mar 16 https://twitter.com/thompatterson
Pakistan civil aviation authorities say there was no trace of #MH370 on civilian radar, foreign ministry says. No word about MILITARY radar

Did we ever hear about their military radar?

remind me if I am wrong but of course their civilian radar wouldn't pick anything up because MH370 turned their transponder and AcAR OFF

never heard about their military radar..shouldn't be surprised though...
I guess Pakistan doesn't wish to let its military radar/satellite info be known

 

[shygrl]

I respect other peoples opinions on this however I do chalk this up as another "mark" as something just to keep in mind.

I dont know the statistics of NON-US people that would be moved enough to actually post on victims Facebook accounts but that to me seems like he may have been in the minority for a NON-US person to actually post on victims FB pages.

Unless we have statistics on this, there is no way to tell but to me it is definitely something that is raising an eyebrow for me right now. Like take 1000 NON-US people at random and how many would do that. I am guessing that he was in the minority here with this.

Lets assume he was in lets say 10% of NON-US people that actually posted on victims site that week (im thinking even less than that, but will go with 10%), what would that tell us? To me, I think it tells us he is has concern about the people that were bombed and he felt badly for them.

Now, combine that with what we know about him being concerned about his friends trial that he attended the day of the flight.

It is the totality of the small "marks" as they begin to build together that I keep trying to remember as I try to think of who may have done something with this plane. There happens to be a few "marks" that I have put in this theory of one or both of the cabins.

Some of the other theories do not have very many marks beside them so I kind of keep that in mind as we think through this nightmare.

All JMO of course.

I posted a link up thread of what he actually posted and it looked like a yahoo news article he had seen then posted it with the message. It didn't seem like an interest, more like something he seen and shared.

 

[MLO]

Right. We have the Westminster system of parliament in Australia. We have two major parties, the Labor Party and the Liberal party, and several minor parties e.g. the Greens. Currently the Liberals (actually conservatives) are in gov't and Labor is in opposition. The leader of the Labor party is referred to as the opposition leader. For every gov't minister in charge of a portfolio there is an opposition minister, also called a shadow minister. For example, the opposition minister for finance. It certainly doesn't mean anything even remotely radical.

Yes. And as much as I would LOVE our current government thrown out, and as much as I am an opposition supporter, it doesn't mean I am a radical.

 

[LinasK]

CNN just reported that the US reported that to turn the plane Westbound, either the pilot or co-pilot punched 7-8 keystrokes into a keyboard situated between the pilot and co-pilot!!! This was deliberate.

 

[MLO]

It's American slang for crazy, based on stories of people who wore homemade tin-foil hats to keep "aliens" from hearing their thoughts. I have no idea whether such stories were true or apocryphal.

We use it here too. The "tin foil hat brigade" are conspiracy theorists.

 

[Bravo]

The British expert on CNN just said the same thing. And he's an expert!

And that should make me feel better :floorlaugh: All kidding aside this is soooo frustrating and surreal :banghead:

 

[jmcgladr]

CNN just reported that the US reported that to turn the plane Westbound, either the pilot or co-pilot punched 7-8 keystrokes into a keyboard situated between the pilot and co-pilot!!! This was deliberate.

It seems so bizarre that either the pilot or co-pilot would allow the other to do that, unless they were plotting this together (and the co-pilot was new to flying 777s, so did they even know each other very well?) OR the other person flying the plane was incapacitated. Or if there was a 3rd party involved, possibly both the pilot and co-pilot were incapacitated.

 

[LadyL]

Victims.

And I don't find it suspicious, as some do, because he was in another country. That was a major, major story. I'm from Boston and I could not believe how much coverage it got internationally and nationally. It's unfortunately seemed to become the main association with the city, especially internationally.

yes I'm in Canada and it was huge, esp. in my house because my husband is a Bruins fan and we have a special interest in your beautiful city (he's been there; I haven't) - so it's definitely not what we mainly associate Boston with

 

[ElleElle]

I've had the same feeling all along. Pilot not involved. Co-pilot yes. Two Iranians with fake passports yes. 'Mr. Ali' yes. One other person yet to be determined also directly involved. Many others of course indirectly involved.

It will be interesting to see how far off base I could be. I would much rather this be a horrible accident of course.

May I ask what makes you think the FO is involved?

I just get a bad vibe off him, and his behaviour preceding this is not exactly classy or professional, imo.

I have not 100% ruled out the 2 Iranians, but, I believe if they are involved, it's indirectly and they were not part of the "master plan".

They were "the last minute" mules they (FO and ?) hired, possibly assisted with the plane ticket and stolen passports. JMO.

 

[ilovepierre]

I respect other peoples opinions on this however I do chalk this up as another "mark" as something just to keep in mind.

I dont know the statistics of NON-US people that would be moved enough to actually post on victims Facebook accounts but that to me seems like he may have been in the minority for a NON-US person to actually post on victims FB pages.

Unless we have statistics on this, there is no way to tell but to me it is definitely something that is raising an eyebrow for me right now. Like take 1000 NON-US people at random and how many would do that. I am guessing that he was in the minority here with this.

Lets assume he was in lets say 10% of NON-US people that actually posted on victims site that week (im thinking even less than that, but will go with 10%), what would that tell us? To me, I think it tells us he is has concern about the people that were bombed and he felt badly for them.

Now, combine that with what we know about him being concerned about his friends trial that he attended the day of the flight.

It is the totality of the small "marks" as they begin to build together that I keep trying to remember as I try to think of who may have done something with this plane. There happens to be a few "marks" that I have put in this theory of one or both of the cabins.

Some of the other theories do not have very many marks beside them so I kind of keep that in mind as we think through this nightmare.

All JMO of course.

But what's so wrong with a non US person taking an interest in something that happened in the US? I'm a non US person and I took interest in it. Look at 9/11. A lot of non US people took an interest in that and I'm sure they posted condolences on websites that were set up for the victims and their families.

It would be different if this captain was supporting the terrorists and feeling sorry for them. His posting condolences on victim's FB's and sending their family's well wishes is no different than if you or I was doing it.

IMO.

 

[ElleElle]

I read that analysis as well. It made better sense than a lot of the other theories out there, IMO. The idea was, because MH370 was "black" on civilian radar, it could follow close behind another commercial jetliner along the same commercial path and nothing would show up as amiss, especially in the middle of the night. It wouldn't show up on the other plane's radar either. Then MH370 could quietly divert from this path at some point, and land in an area with little radar coverage or defense (i.e. Turkmenistan). Creepy idea, but plausible.

It is very conceivable. Forget hacking computers peeps, planes may be hackable too!

 

[i.b.nora]

Sarah, the domestic partner of Philip Wood (passenger on plane) is on Rachel Maddow show now. If you want to catch it later, its about the last quarter hour of the show. She works in Beijing.

 

[ElleElle]

Actually - this movie is about stealing a plane

Well, this movie may be reality, because to me, I have a gut feelings the FO and his "crew" hacked the systems and it is stolen. :twocents:

 

[newone]

Slightly ridiculous statement, in my opinion. Agree with you, there has been no indication anyone aboard had possession of or could use a cell phone, computer, I-pad, or whatever. We know now they couldn't while aboard the aircraft as it wasn't equipped for such use. Now that the plane MAY HAVE landed in some third world and/or communist country we're expecting Instagram or Twitter postings?

:banghead:

MOO

and oy evay the roaming charges!:tantrum:

 

[panthera]

CNN just reported that the US reported that to turn the plane Westbound, either the pilot or co-pilot punched 7-8 keystrokes into a keyboard situated between the pilot and co-pilot!!! This was deliberate.

Change in Plane’s Path Was Entered via Computer

excerpt

Instead of manually operating the plane’s controls, whoever altered Flight 370’s path typed seven or eight keystrokes into a computer on a knee-high pedestal between the captain and the first officer, according to officials. The Flight Management System, as the computer is known, directs the plane from point to point specified in the flight plan submitted before each flight. It is not clear whether the plane’s path was reprogrammed before or after it took off.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0

 

[LinasK]

Aviation expert says "Allright, goodnight" is not standard pilot talk- usually there's a Roger in there, and give flight coordinates...

 

[Intermezzo]

When each of you saw him being frisked at airport in video? What was your first impression? then captions declare hysterically CCTV of pilot in airport.

Total lie - that screen shot was grabbed off You Tube in a video the family and friends made in his honor.

THis is not airport security ..... its a family member taking a video (years ago!) of daddy pilot pretending to be frisked at his job.....

Aren't we all so over this

Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah - YouTube

I saw that video on Anderson Cooper and I thought WTF..as if someone just happened to video them going thru security on the day the plane goes missing and then post it on You Tube!...ya right ..
so it was a family member?