Man seen carrying diaper clad baby

[JeannaT]

The guy on the motorcycle didn't even come forward for a week. At that time the female witness was already talking about the man and the baby, I believe.

I don't think the description of him was in the media before motorcycle guy said it first - a t-shirt. It's interesting that they both say that, and it's interesting that it's kind of an unexpected thing to wear for an evening walk in KC right now. They're talking about an undershirt here, not a typical shirt you wear out in public. A plain white undershirt is what I understand. For BOTH of them to say that, and notice that, it's pretty peculiar. Since she'd been interviewed 4 times by LE, I feel certain that's on the record of her witness.

The other details might have already been in the media.

I'm doubting now that the man she saw was actually African American. She didn't mention that today although the reporter encouraged her to say all she knew. I wish he'd asked that.

 

[JeannaT]

I wouldn't want the MSM scrutiny. I'd go straight to LE or FBI with a credible sighting (mho only)

:fence:
falling over with decomp

He did go straight to LE, krimekat, on about Oct. 11 and was interviewed by them.

I don't know how he came to be in the media crosshairs, but he was interviewed by LE more than a week ago.

And they sat on that story although they're saying it's not been discounted.

One of the great mysteries of this investigation, IMHO. Three people who appear credible seeing the same looking guy with a baby in a diaper the night this baby went missing. Why didn't they mention this to the public?

 

[hannahsnana]

brother or JI?

Mom's legal husband?

 

[Eileen730]

If someone saw this man and a baby right in Lisa's neighborhood unclothed shortly after she was taken you would think LE would have found even a trace of her clothing...

Where and what time was that dumpster fire?
They did show Mom some burned clothes remember!

 

[curiousjo]

Per HateSociopaths- Mans description carrying baby wearing only a diaper in the middle of night

5'7 - 5'8
dark pants
white t shirt
late 30's
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At least 3 people saw this guy in a Tshirt carrying baby (wearing only a diaper) in middle of night. I thought DB's legal military husband was her highschool sweetheart, so approx her age -too young. A neighbor who lives 3 home down the road said the guy walked into a home down the street - at 12:15 am. Must be a neighbor or relative. Who has been in the news wearing T-shirts? The brother fits the body description, but wearing black Tshirt at the grocery story. Of course, he could have changed it. I think he is younger than description posted above, but maybe that is an error. Whoever sent the mystery text may be the dude.

 

[hannahsnana]

Per HateSociopaths- Mans description carrying baby wearing only a diaper in the middle of night

5'7 - 5'8
dark pants
white t shirt
late 30's
=========================
At least 3 people saw this guy in a Tshirt carrying baby (wearing only a diaper) in middle of night. I thought DB's legal military husband was her highschool sweetheart, so approx her age -too young. A neighbor who lives 3 home down the road said the guy walked into a home down the street - at 12:15 am. Must be a neighbor or relative. Who has been in the news wearing T-shirts? The brother fits the body description, but wearing black Tshirt at the grocery story. Of course, he could have changed it. I think he is younger than description posted above, but maybe that is an error. Whoever sent the mystery text may be the dude.

Mystery text? Please fill me in on that; missed it. TIA.

 

[Eileen730]

If the cadaver dogs hit on a dead body in the house was this man carrying a dead baby?

 

[hannahsnana]

I hope it's not him H. Sociopaths but his eyes have shown so much strain. Why would he risk everything for DB? (I'm speaking of the military guy.)

What if he didn't do it for Deborah? What if he took baby Lisa for his own motives?

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Mom's legal husband?

He is over seas on military duty.

 

[frankie069]

Mom's legal husband?

He is in Iraq.

 

[frankie069]

If the cadaver dogs hit on a dead body in the house was this man carrying a dead baby?

If its the same baby then yes..

 

[hannahsnana]

No not him. Sorry this is not something that can be discussed until he is named as a POI.

Don't understand that. Thought we were supposed to be sleuthing. Otherwise, why bother at all? Sleuthing means considering all possibilities. LE does not always name suspects as POIs; we all know that.

 

[Eileen730]

He is in Iraq.

Was Mom seeing someone else?

 

[frankie069]

Not naming any names because i dont know names, what if Lisa was killed before Tuesday morning/Monday night sometime and DB put her on her floor dead, wrapped her body, buried her in the backyard, then realized that the police would be all over that and it would probably start to smell and then unburied the baby and had a male relative come by and dispose of the body. If this guy was on foot his chances of being seen would be slim as opposed to a car pulling up that late at night. Someone would more notice a car then a person walking in the dark. He might have had a car parked someplace close by and had to walk to that. If he was holding the baby like he was protecting her, then he was apparently close to her. This is all IF there was actually a man walking with a baby..

 

[frankie069]

Was Mom seeing someone else?

Mom is Deb and she is with Jeremy who she had Lisa with..

 

[hannahsnana]

Not naming any names because i dont know names, what if Lisa was killed before Tuesday morning/Monday night sometime and DB put her on her floor dead, wrapped her body, buried her in the backyard, then realized that the police would be all over that and it would probably start to smell and then unburied the baby and had a male relative come by and dispose of the body. If this guy was on foot his chances of being seen would be slim as opposed to a car pulling up that late at night. Someone would more notice a car then a person walking in the dark. He might have had a car parked someplace close by and had to walk to that. If he was holding the baby like he was protecting her, then he was apparently close to her. This is all IF there was actually a man walking with a baby..

You may be on to something, Frankie.

 

[belimom]

Not naming any names because i dont know names, what if Lisa was killed before Tuesday morning/Monday night sometime and DB put her on her floor dead, wrapped her body, buried her in the backyard, then realized that the police would be all over that and it would probably start to smell and then unburied the baby and had a male relative come by and dispose of the body. If this guy was on foot his chances of being seen would be slim as opposed to a car pulling up that late at night. Someone would more notice a car then a person walking in the dark. He might have had a car parked someplace close by and had to walk to that. If he was holding the baby like he was protecting her, then he was apparently close to her. This is all IF there was actually a man walking with a baby..

I wondered about a similar scenario. However, the biggest problem with that is that this baby wasn't wrapped - and rigor mortis would have set in. So they would have had to unwrap her... kwim? I think if they had already wrapped her, they would have just put her in a duffle or backpack for someone to carry. JMHO

 

[Eileen730]

What if he didn't do it for Deborah? What if he took baby Lisa for his own motives?

This man being out in the cold in just a t shirt seems like he was despondant
hes out there with a dead baby thats why there were no clothes or blankets because the baby was dead.

Now was he there when it happend or was he called to help ....

 

[curiousjo]

Witnesses Say They Saw Man Carrying Baby Resembling Lisa Irwin
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/201...arrying-baby-resembling-lisa-irwin/?hpt=ng_t2

On HLN, the is a guest who believes it was last minute - panic. For that reason, man wearing only Tshirt and baby wearing only diaper. It was 45 degrees and cold that night. Who did DB call to help her that fits the description?

In regards to mystery text - Websleuth posters have been mentioning a text sent on a stolen cell phone at 0230 reading "Ready when you are". LE has not confirmed.

And yes, the man must have been carrying a dead baby if cadaver dogs hit on DB bedroom floor. That means the baby lied there for at approx 3 hours for dogs to pick up scent - per same quest on Jane HLN show.

If we can figure out what man has that description, then he is our guy. If I was him - I would come forward stat. Otherwise, we know DB will blame him in hopes of making herself be the innocent drunk, while he goes from accomplice to kidnapper/murderer!

 

[belimom]

Here's what I'm thinking (at this moment - subject to change...LOL):

I don't see anyone who would risk walking around with a dead baby and getting caught. I do believe these people saw what they said they saw. I think it was:

1) a *live* baby Lisa (which I don't really believe is the case)
2) a different baby altogether (would be too coincidental on the 'night of all nights')
3) a decoy -- like a doll. Remember, they're setting the stage for an abduction and want with all their might to draw the attention away from that home.

MOO