Man seen carrying diaper clad baby

  • #501
I just find it suspicious timing that this story is breaking news AGAIN immediately after the story about the cadaver dog hit. It seems like it's a well devised balancing act (one bad story steering us towards the parents and one story leading away from the parents), likely by the defense, JMO.
 
  • #502
I posted this last night and I still stand by these statements, they are the only thing that makes sense of this whole thing.

Once again I will not name names because I know we cant but what if Lisa was killed before Monday night/Tuesday morning sometime and DB put her on her floor dead, wrapped her body, buried her in the backyard,(hence the backyard having a disturbed area) then realized that the police would be all over that and it would probably start to smell and then unburied the baby and had a male relative come by and dispose of the body. If this guy was on foot his chances of being seen would be slim as opposed to a car pulling up that late at night. Someone would more notice a car then a person walking in the dark. ( a car description is easier to give than a persons description that late at night or early in the morning and if it was a member of the family, a blue mustang, black lexus etc would be easier to trace). He might have had a car parked someplace close by and had to walk to that. He would have had to have been pretty fit to walk around for that time period (possibly to throw a scent off or to be sighted in more than one place that night to throw police off and who knows how far he might have parked his car away from the area as well ) If he was holding the baby like he was protecting her, then he was apparently close to her. He could have disguised himself just a little, shave a beard off, color his hair, wear a hat etc.. This is all IF there was actually a man walking with a baby..

My belief once again is that DB had it with Lisa, I feel that she broke the childs neck somehow, whether shaking her to much or slamming her down to keep her quiet, she then lay a dead Lisa on her floor not realizing that a scent could have been picked up, I mean it was only for a few that she might have had her on the floor and she wrapped her in a pillowcase or something of that nature and taped it up. I think this was done before the time period we think. I feel that JI knows about this. Lisa was then buried in the backyard and dug back up again possibly by this man who I think is a family member, anyone else would have cracked by now. I know that they were able to take DNA from some family members but they are family, you expect to find their DNA in your house. They need to take every single family members cars in and search them with the dogs and with a fine toothed comb just in case he dumped Lisa before getting into his car. People may not like being a suspect and I know there are a lot on this board who think no one should be a suspect but we have a missing baby here, every male member of that family should be a suspect until proven they are not, every car taken in and searched. Clothes hampers, dirty clothes all of it should be checked. Like I said, only a family member wouldnt crack a friend would.

A kidnapper is not going to come in the house, take a baby, cell phones, turn on lights, undress the baby, put her dead on the floor until he is ready to leave ( I mean, did he do this while looking for the phones, NOT).. He is then not going to walk down the road and to God knows where after kidnapping a baby. DB and JI took a half hour to call the police when Lisa went missing, DB had admitted to an additional 4 hours of time missing that she didnt see Lisa ( I say she had to come out with that because possibly someone saw her at the time she originally said she saw Lisa and stories would have conflicted). This gave plenty of time to set this whole thing in motion. This is my theory and MOO and I am sticking to it.. :furious:
 
  • #503
The cadaver dogs weren't necessarily hitting on a dead Lisa.

Well who could it be?
No one else is missing in that home!
 
  • #504
I'm particularly talking about the 4:00 a.m. sightings. Who walks down the street at 4 am carrying a baby dressed only in a diaper in 40 degree weather? I would think the first instinct would be to call 911 for the baby's sake even if the man carrying the baby was his/her loving daddy. These sightings seem to be taking on a life of their own - but we knew they probably would. :)

Someone that was drunk?
 
  • #505
Someone that was drunk?

I would more believe in someone that was disposing of a body to help out.. IF there was a baby in this persons arms..
 
  • #506
If I were the person to see a man carrying a baby on the same night as a child went missing a few houses away, I would make a statement to police and to the media and avoid the camera like crazy. I would feel horrible and guilty about possibly being the last person to see a missing baby possibly alive. I would be crying and freaking out over it. I don't see her feeling upset over possibly seeing baby Lisa. But that's just me.
 
  • #507
While I am not TOTALLY dismissing the biker guy, every biker here I know will remember the nights in October that the low was only 60. If he hadn't added this or not been on a bike I would be far more inclined to believe him.

ETA I am glad the guy did call in what he might have witnessed. He might just be fuzzy on the little details. He really might have seen this, I just don't know.
 
  • #508
While I am not TOTALLY dismissing the biker guy, every biker here I know will remember the nights in October that the low was only 60. If he hadn't added this or not been on a bike I would be far more inclined to believe him.

I know what you mean. He seemed genuinely concerned because of the baby, even offering to help. This could be an additional statement though, because of the development in the case. I don't see the same types of comments of regret or concern really from the female witness.
 
  • #509
Either way I look at it, I find these sightings so odd. If it was a kidnapper, why would they be walking with a diaper clad baby and not concealing the baby? If it were an accomplice, why would this person not conceal the baby either?

Unless it was a hoax and it is to fit into this abduction story.

I just don't know what to make of these sightings. Just strange!
 
  • #510
I wonder if the mystery man who helped DB out had to leave in a hurry - maybe JI showed up around midnight while on break. So, he grabs the deceased baby clad only in a diaper and takes off down the street. No time for blanket, coat, etc.

Someone said drinking buddy neighbor's husband fits the description of mystery man. I suppose DB may have reached out to them vs she was having an affair with the dude(all speculation)---as she has pursued prior neighbors husbands according to military wives speaking out. Even JI commented "Someone who cheated...." when asked who would do this. Who knows... could be DB friend, lover, relative or drug dealer? She had to contact this person to help out either by email, text, call or knock on the door. I think she didnt take the car since the kids would know she left. The man was only carrying baby, not 3 phones - so, she must have initially hid the phones by the home.

IMO

Cell phones easily fit into pockets!

I also think this man was maybe drinking with mom that night something happend to the baby. They had to cover it up because they were drunk and he wasnt supposed to be there.

They staged this the lights the window all of it......

The cell phones had to go missing because they sent texts to each other and had to make it seem like someone else was on their cell phones.
 
  • #511
Either way I look at it, I find these sightings so odd. If it was a kidnapper, why would they be walking with a diaper clad baby and not concealing the baby? If it were an accomplice, why would this person not conceal the baby either?

Unless it was a hoax and it is to fit into this abduction story.

I just don't know what to make of these sightings. Just strange!

I know, this guy seemed like he wanted to be seen with a baby.
 
  • #512
If I were the person to see a man carrying a baby on the same night as a child went missing a few houses away, I would make a statement to police and to the media and avoid the camera like crazy. I would feel horrible and guilty about possibly being the last person to see a missing baby possibly alive. I would be crying and freaking out over it. I don't see her feeling upset over possibly seeing baby Lisa. But that's just me.

The husband of the female witness has been avoiding the media. I don't think he appeared on any tv programs. I am still very curious as to what she was saying originally vs. what she is saying now. That first original article made it sound as if her husband was the one to see the man with the baby. She showed the window covered with blinds through which she would have been looking at the man with the baby. It would also be dark, I presume, at 12:15 am. How much detail is someone going to see under these conditions?
 
  • #513
Either way I look at it, I find these sightings so odd. If it was a kidnapper, why would they be walking with a diaper clad baby and not concealing the baby? If it were an accomplice, why would this person not conceal the baby either?

Unless it was a hoax and it is to fit into this abduction story.

I just don't know what to make of these sightings. Just strange!



I cant imagine it as a hoax!
I really think they were drinking.
I can see the guy walking the streets wondering what the hell to do holding the baby...
 
  • #514
Either way I look at it, I find these sightings so odd. If it was a kidnapper, why would they be walking with a diaper clad baby and not concealing the baby? If it were an accomplice, why would this person not conceal the baby either?

Unless it was a hoax and it is to fit into this abduction story.

I just don't know what to make of these sightings. Just strange!

Why not look at it as someone who was helping dispose of Lisa's body. It usually the simplest explanation that fits. It is apparent her body is missing and now 3 people see a strange man in the area walking around with a baby unclothed, we already know they found what looks like the clothes mom said Lisa was wearing that night, so her whole night is a lie. Look at the men in her life... They all need to be checked out thoroughly.
 
  • #515
  • #516
I know, this guy seemed like he wanted to be seen with a baby.

IF he is involved it takes pressure off the parents and fits in with their kidnapping theory. This was pre-meditated. IF he wanted to be seen he wanted to be seen for a reason.. I "normal" kidnapper isnt going to want to be seen. :banghead:
 
  • #517
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  • #519
I know, this guy seemed like he wanted to be seen with a baby.

And if these sightings are true, heck, this guy carrying a baby got lucky too. No one came up and asked him if he needed help, no one followed him, etc.?
 
  • #520
Well who could it be?
No one else is missing in that home!

That presumes nothing but a recently deceased baby on top of the carpet could cause the dog to alert.

Blood products/human tissue from other events can cause a dog to alert.

If someone died (older home, older neighborhood) in that house, on the floor (as my mother did) and was not discovered immediately, decomposition fluids can get into floorboard, subfloor, joists, dry/wall plaster.

If the scent is in the floorboards (as opposed to the carpet the corpse rested on for a brief period) I would suspect another event is the cause (assuming Lisa had zero contact with the floorboards).
 

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