Man seen carrying diaper clad baby

[jjenny]

And if these sightings are true, heck, this guy carrying a baby got lucky too. No one came up and asked him if he needed help, no one followed him, etc.?

Since the husband of the female witness apparently saw this guy attempting to go into a house, it sounds like the husband followed him. Otherwise I don't know how he could have seen him attempting to go into a house.

 

[AlmostGone]

I'm wondering why there isn't any police sketch of the person seen with the baby? Both sightings, just for the slight chance the parents are not guilty of doing something...

 

[Eileen730]

IF he is involved it takes pressure off the parents and fits in with their kidnapping theory. This was pre-meditated. IF he wanted to be seen he wanted to be seen for a reason.. I "normal" kidnapper isnt going to want to be seen. :banghead:

I think he was with her that night after the neighbor lady went home.
I dont think the baby was kidnapped but something happened to bqby lisa
and this entire thing is staged....

 

[matou]

How could the witnesses estimate his age? From the way he dressed? From his face? What other details to they have about this guy?

 

[curiositycat]

That presumes nothing but a recently deceased baby on top of the carpet could cause the dog to alert.

Blood products/human tissue from other events can cause a dog to alert.

If someone died (older home, older neighborhood) in that house, on the floor (as my mother did) and was not discovered immediately, decomposition fluids can get into floorboard, subfloor, joists, dry/wall plaster.

If the scent is in the floorboards (as opposed to the carpet the corpse rested on for a brief period) I would suspect another event is the cause (assuming Lisa had zero contact with the floorboards).

You brought this up yesterday and myself and others wondered about this. If you go to the thread regarding the dogs, Sarx (The verified dog expert) was asked this question and said it would not be a possiblity and explained why.

Thought you might want to check the answer. What you had said, had me questioning the fact that the "body" hit had to be current. Sarx said that there was no way it would hit on something older. But check out the answer yourself.

 

[Eileen730]

Since the husband of the female witness apparently saw this guy attempting to go into a house, it sounds like the husband followed him. Otherwise I don't know how he could have seen him attempting to go into a house.

Was he attempting to get into the house or just turned to walk up to the house
It looked like he was going up to the house? Big difference.

 

[matou]

There's so much wooded area around there. Why walk around with a kidnapped child on the street or sidewalk, out in the open?

 

[curiositycat]

There's so much wooded area around there. Why walk around with a kidnapped child on the street or sidewalk, out in the open?

Exactly, it might have been an attempt to stage something looking like an abduction. MOO:maddening:

 

[Eileen730]

I would more believe in someone that was disposing of a body to help out.. IF there was a baby in this persons arms..

If your high or drunk you dont care. If your stone cold sober you dont walk out holding a dead baby in your arms and wander the streets. You would hide her
in something and use a car ...

 

[AlmostGone]

There's so much wooded area around there. Why walk around with a kidnapped child on the street or sidewalk, out in the open?

If it's dark out it might be hard to see MOO :0)

 

[jjenny]

How could the witnesses estimate his age? From the way he dressed? From his face? What other details to they have about this guy?

I have no idea. I find it very puzzling neither of them even mentioned the race of this man in the interviewed that we heard.

 

[frankie069]

I think he was with her that night after the neighbor lady went home.
I dont think the baby was kidnapped but something happened to bqby lisa
and this entire thing is staged....

Eileen, see my huge post about a page back. That is what I feel happened.

 

[jjenny]

Was he attempting to get into the house or just turned to walk up to the house
It looked like he was going up to the house? Big difference.

Either way the husband would have to follow him to see that. Since the wife claims she saw a man going up hill while she was looking through her window.

 

[Eileen730]

While I am not TOTALLY dismissing the biker guy, every biker here I know will remember the nights in October that the low was only 60. If he hadn't added this or not been on a bike I would be far more inclined to believe him.

ETA I am glad the guy did call in what he might have witnessed. He might just be fuzzy on the little details. He really might have seen this, I just don't know.

Id bet my last dollar they all took polys..

 

[frankie069]

If your high or drunk you dont care. If your stone cold sober you dont walk out holding a dead baby in your arms and wander the streets. You would hide her
in something and use a car ...

Actually if you are high or drunk you care more. You get suspicious of everything. Most people that are high get very neurotic. They slip up easier. Sober you have your wits about you. So that statement is actually false. ONLY in the case of when you are trying to hide something, otherwise, as in bar fights, picking up strange people in a bar, etc, alcohol will lower your inhibitions. Alcohol and drugs work different ways in different scenario's. MJ always works the same though..

 

[In da Middle]

Wouldn't be 47 degrees at 4 am on Oct 4, since lowest T is 47 for Oct 3.

Correct. The official low for this site is 55. The low for the day is typically in the morning hours so on the 5th. I know it was really nice out because when my neighbors and I were all questioned by LE we all had our windows at least cracked that night because it was sooooo nice out. Almost all of us! So her having the window open that night was not by any means something that was hinky at all. Maybe the biker really meant Monday morning instead of what was actually Tuesday morning. It was colder that night.

 

[matou]

Either way the husband would have to follow him to see that. Since the wife claims she saw a man going up hill while she was looking through her window.

I can't see how she could get all this information about the mystery guy from her window. She would need to be outside to see where he went. I can see a bushy area next to her window. I think we really need to know her address to figure out where they were seeing this man, but I'm not sure if it's allowed.

 

[elepher50]

Original video of neighbour who reported man with baby.

Neighbors can't believe Lisa Irwin is missing

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0ueuIH63G8"]Neighbors can't believe Lisa Irwin is missing - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Eileen730]

Either way the husband would have to follow him to see that. Since the wife claims she saw a man going up hill while she was looking through her window.

Hi jjenny,

I dont know about that. I can watch ppl walk down my street and see ppl turn AND walk up to their house without following them... I dont know what the neighborhood is like. also ppl can cut thru yards to get to other streets.

I wonder if any dogs were barking my dogs bark when anyone walks by my house.

 

[Just K]

Finally found the video I was looking for (I call this video #2 of Neighbor LP) this is the one that shows what some folks think is her husband facing away from the cameras and at a white car.)
Notice at 1:24 she says "THEY" wanted me to call the cops. I listened to it Three or Four times!
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0ueuIH63G8"]Neighbors can't believe Lisa Irwin is missing - YouTube[/ame]