MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #1

[popsicle]

NBC News ‏@NBCNews 2m2 minutes ago
Second detainee recalls ride in Baltimore police van with #FreddieGray http://nbcnews.to/1DFBbtc
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD36fG6WIAIL0Wd.jpg

 

[epiphany]

Medical experts said as Gray's condition deteriorated after the injury occurred, he may have suffered seizures.

Allen told the 11 News I-Team what he heard when the van arrived at the Western District Police Station: "When we got to the police station, they said he didn't have no pulse or nothing. They called his name, 'Mr. Gray, Mr. Gray.' And he wasn't responsive."

Allen said that once they got to the Western District, officers started to write out a citation for him but didn't even present it to him and instead took him down to the homicide unit.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/second-man-in-police-transport-van-speaks-out/32669692

 

[Hatfield]

Detectives say the police van picked up Gray after he ran from police. They then made one stop previously known to officers, but made another stop that police said today they did not learn about until investigating the case further. From that second stop, they made another stop before making a fourth stop to pick up another prisoner. They then went to the police station, according to Deputy Commissioner Kevin Davis, who headed the Baltimore Police Department's investigation of the case.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/baltimore-...-grays-transport-made-extra/story?id=30700008

4 stops now!!! WOW.

By tomorrow, it will be 20 stops.
This doesnt sound good at all. This is crazy how it keeps changing.

Im just speculating here and the only reason I am even thinking about this is because a LE person the other day on the news was talking about a "rough ride". Like they do that sort of thing on occasion to stop unruly people in the back of their vans. I never knew such a thing even existed until that LE person brought it up like it was common knowledge amongst LE officers.

Im just speculating here but I could envision 1 possible scenerio where the driver got mad at him and slammed on the breaks on purpose or something along those lines. If done at just the right time where he wasnt expecting it, I could envision him crashing into the wall of the Van and breaking his neck. They could even do it the other way by flooring the gas when he wasnt expecting it and he would crash into the back wall of Van where the doors are in the back.

One or more of the stops may have been to see how badly they just injured him after they realized he wasnt moving anymore and they may have really hurt him.

We need a lie detector test to be done on the driver of that Van IMO.
Because I doubt they would confess if they did something like that.
Of course lie detector tests are not admissable but sure would like to see one administered.

I still think the poor guy may have been injured even before the Van because of how he was holding his neck and screaming in pain before he even got loaded in.

 

[MissSunshine]

The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. His statement is contained in an application for a search warrant, which is sealed by the court. The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate’s safety.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...d756d0218e_story.html?tid=HP_more?tid=HP_more

So...the guy who says he was the 2nd prisoner says he never went to jail but according to the above, he is still in jail...I am confused...

 

[jjenny]

Medical experts said as Gray's condition deteriorated after the injury occurred, he may have suffered seizures.

Allen told the 11 News I-Team what he heard when the van arrived at the Western District Police Station: "When we got to the police station, they said he didn't have no pulse or nothing. They called his name, 'Mr. Gray, Mr. Gray.' And he wasn't responsive."

Allen said that once they got to the Western District, officers started to write out a citation for him but didn't even present it to him and instead took him down to the homicide unit.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/second-man-in-police-transport-van-speaks-out/32669692

So the banging the other guy heard could have been a seizure?

 

[jjenny]

The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. His statement is contained in an application for a search warrant, which is sealed by the court. The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate’s safety.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...d756d0218e_story.html?tid=HP_more?tid=HP_more

So...the guy who says he was the 2nd prisoner says he never went to jail but according to the above, he is still in jail...I am confused...

Well, he isn't in jail right now for sure, because he was interviewed on the street.

 

[MissSunshine]

Well, he isn't in jail right now for sure, because he was interviewed on the street.

He says he never went to jail. Quite a difference there. Who would have access to that police report but not know the guy never went to jail. So is someone releasing false information and if so who? We have one report saying ME said head injury and another reporter saying autopsy not done.

 

[MissSunshine]

Another thing that I find interesting is that these reports weren't leaked to our local news but to the WP and to WJLA which I think is a DC station.

 

[i.b.nora]

The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. His statement is contained in an application for a search warrant, which is sealed by the court. The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate’s safety.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...d756d0218e_story.html?tid=HP_more?tid=HP_more

So...the guy who says he was the 2nd prisoner says he never went to jail but according to the above, he is still in jail...I am confused...

So, the question in my mind is who filled out the application for a search warrant? And, what was the search warrant for?

 

[popsicle]

4 stops now!!! WOW.

By tomorrow, it will be 20 stops.
This doesnt sound good at all. This is crazy how it keeps changing.

Im just speculating here and the only reason I am even thinking about this is because a LE person the other day on the news was talking about a "rough ride". Like they do that sort of thing on occasion to stop unruly people in the back of their vans. I never knew such a thing even existed until that LE person brought it up like it was common knowledge amongst LE officers.

Im just speculating here but I could envision 1 possible scenerio where the driver got mad at him and slammed on the breaks on purpose or something along those lines. If done at just the right time where he wasnt expecting it, I could envision him crashing into the wall of the Van and breaking his neck. They could even do it the other way by flooring the gas when he wasnt expecting it and he would crash into the back wall of Van where the doors are in the back.

One or more of the stops may have been to see how badly they just injured him after they realized he wasnt moving anymore and they may have really hurt him.

We need a lie detector test to be done on the driver of that Van IMO.
Because I doubt they would confess if they did something like that.
Of course lie detector tests are not admissable but sure would like to see one administered.

I still think the poor guy may have been injured even before the Van because of how he was holding his neck and screaming in pain before he even got loaded in.

I have been thinking along the same line.

 

[popsicle]

Greta Van Susteren ‏@greta 4m4 minutes ago
Right now protesters swarming streets of #Baltimore after police give Freddie Gray report to State's Atty office #greta @FoxNews

 

[Hatfield]

So, the question in my mind is who filled out the application for a search warrant? And, what was the search warrant for?

The way I take this part here is that the prisoner's attorney gave a copy of the search warrant document to the Post. I think the prisoner that was in the van with him must have been taken in because of the search warrant and he has an attorney now that got access to the original search warrant.

"The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate’s safety."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...d756d0218e_story.html?tid=HP_more?tid=HP_more

But it is so hard to tell because everything is so confusing. I wish media would be more clear when they reference who, what, where

 

[i.b.nora]

The way I take this part here is that the prisoner's attorney gave a copy of the search warrant document to the Post. I think the prisoner that was in the van with him must have been taken in because of the search warrant and he has an attorney now that got access to the original search warrant.

"The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate’s safety."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...d756d0218e_story.html?tid=HP_more?tid=HP_more

But it is so hard to tell because everything is so confusing. I wish media would be more clear when they reference who, what, where

Well I appreciate your attempt to clarify for me but, it totally confuses me probably because your link doesn't work and I haven't read the article.

And, why would they need a search warrant for a stolen cigarette?

 

[MissSunshine]

I am curious why the 2nd prisoner decided to come forward now and not earlier...was he threatened to stay quiet or did he really say it but doesn't want to look like he told the police anything?

 

[popsicle]

So, the question in my mind is who filled out the application for a search warrant? And, what was the search warrant for?

The document, written by a Baltimore police investigator, offers the first glimpse of what might have happened inside the van.

The affidavit is part of a search warrant seeking the seizure of the uniform worn by one of the officers involved in Gray’s arrest or transport.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...d756d0218e_story.html?tid=HP_more?tid=HP_more

I think it was a homicide investigator.

 

[popsicle]

Baltimore Police ‏@BaltimorePolice 15s16 seconds ago
A group of protesters have gathered at the intersection of North Ave and Pennsylvania Ave. The group is blocking traffic.

 

[Hatfield]

Well I appreciate your attempt to clarify for me but, it totally confuses me probably because your link doesn't work and I haven't read the article.

And, why would they need a search warrant for a stolen cigarette?

I was wrong anyway. I read further and the article explains the search warrant. It sounds like it is part of the investigation into this. Because it is wanting to recover LE clothes. Interesting.
Try this link below as I linked it again and redid the original too so that should work also.


"The affidavit is part of a search warrant seeking the seizure of the uniform worn by one of the officers involved in Gray’s arrest or transport. It does not say how many officers were in the van, whether any reported that they heard banging or whether they would have been able to help Gray if he was seeking to injure himself. Police have mentioned only two prisoners in the van."


"The search warrant application says that detectives at the time did not know where the officer’s uniform was located and that they wanted his department-issued long-sleeve shirts, pants and black boots or shoes. The document says investigators think that Gray’s DNA might be found on the officer’s clothes."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...d756d0218e_story.html?tid=HP_more?tid=HP_more

 

[i.b.nora]

Okay so, I am thinking that possibly, the 22 year old young man who talked to the NBC reporter was "playing" her - or - the info provided to the Washington Post was inaccurate since it is talking about a 38 year old man.

"The third stop was to put the other prisoner — a 38-year-old man accused of violating a protective order — into the van. The van was then driven six blocks to the Western District station. Gray was taken from there to a hospital, where he died April 19.

The prisoner, who is in jail, could not be reached for comment. No one answered the phone at his house, and an attorney was not listed in court records." - Washington Post

 

[popsicle]

Gray's arrest warrant

http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/freddiegraychargingdocuments.pdf

unlawful carry, possess and sell a knife known as a switchblade.

 

[EllieBee]

Second man in police transport van speaks out
Donte Allen describes what he heard in van transporting Freddie Gray

Allen described what he heard: "When I got in the van, I didn't hear nothing. It was a smooth ride. We went straight to the police station. All I heard was a little banging for about four seconds. I just heard little banging, just little banging."

Asked whether he told police whether he heard Gray banging his head against the van, Allen said, "I told homicide that. I don't work for the police. I did not tell the police nothing."

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/second-man-in-police-transport-van-speaks-out/32669692


More details in the video at link

A little banging. Four seconds. That could have been the police issuing Freddy's final beatdown.

IMO, Freddy was beaten to inevitable death and was THEN placed in leg shackles to make his beating death appear to be warranted.