MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #1

[mysteriew]

IMO, that wording is based on the statute of the law. They didn't know he had a knife until they caught him after running. It was not why they chased him - they didn't see a potential transaction of the selling of the knife.

And of course, that was what they came up with to charge him, because they had nothing else.

If the SA is saying that the knife is legal, and this was an unlawful arrest...I have no doubt she has proof of that.

The SA says the knife was legal and that made the arrest illegal. Very true.

The PD has said the knife is illegal. That would have made the arrest legal.

Two contradicting statements and we are going to have to wait and see which side it comes down on.

 

[corundogs]

I believe switch blades are a felony in all states. In the 1950's they got a bad reputation (used by hoodlums) and now they are illegal.

I looked it up cause I bought one in Germany and brought it home, they are awesome knives, flick on flick off, no constantly exposed blade or the need to struggle and pull out a folded blade. Sadly I don't have it anymore, left it behind during the divorce.

Yes, I do believe all switchblades are illegal. The knife Freddie had was not a switchblade. Otherwise, the SA wouldn't have said the knife was legal.

This arrest did NOT have to be illegal for her to bring charges. Their misconduct and actions caused the death of Freddie Grey. They could have been charged for those actions if he had a switchblade and that is why he was arrested. She just got additional charges because it was an illegal arrest.

 

[SugarQueen]

Clearly it wasn't or it wouldn't have been an illegal arrest. The SA said the knife was legal. Just because you heard it was a switchblade from LEO or reports from sources, does NOT make it true! Is this something that confuses people? That reports put out by LEO or sources close to LEO are often erroneous?

If there is a device that makes the knife open by pressing it or manipulating it, that is illegal.
I guess I am confused why this isn't clear! LOL!

Neither a gravity knife, or a spring assisted knife are " switchblades" BUT the wording of the Baltimore Law seems to lump them together. That leaves the Baltimore law definition up for debate. If you google it you will find plenty about the law in both NY and Baltimore. The point is the fact that it was not a " switchblade" does not mean it was legal (if the legal definition is followed.)
I am not only basing my post on what LE said ( although I believe they know a spring assisted knife when they see one) I'm also basing it on the SA (?) saying it was not a "switchblade"

 

[corundogs]

The SA says the knife was legal and that made the arrest illegal. Very true.

The PD has said the knife is illegal. That would have made the arrest legal.

Two contradicting statements and we are going to have to wait and see which side it comes down on.

That is true. However, I don't doubt that the SA knows this knife was legal. Otherwise, she wouldn't charge them for misconduct. No need for it.

And of course, we KNOW that LEO never make up charges, right? ***/end sarcasm

 

[magnolia]

IMO, that wording is based on the statute of the law. They didn't know he had a knife until they caught him after running. It was not why they chased him - they didn't see a potential transaction of the selling of the knife.

And of course, that was what they came up with to charge him, because they had nothing else.

If the SA is saying that the knife is legal, and this was an unlawful arrest...I have no doubt she has proof of that.

BBM- So, those officers had nothing better to do than to chase and arrest a guy for no reason at all. Not to mention being forced to physically drag him to the police van.

 

[LietKynes]

Negligent homicide is murder.

They did not follow procedure. They did not get him medical attention. They did not secure him in the car. They are officers. They know better.
If I did any of the above and my child died, I would be charged the same.

They were wrong. I feel bad for the good officers but I can not believe that none of these officers said. STOP lets get an emt here. Or lets make sure he is strapped in.

This was just stupid. He did not have to die and they did not have to be so incompetent.

SABBM

Good point. The law should apply equally to both private citizens and LE .

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-30...e-goes-aggressive-Twitter-rant-Baltimore.html

He told his 1.8million followers that American police should be disarmed.
He added that African-Americans jailed for 'drug crimes' should be freed

Is this man (Moore) serious ? Not sure disarming LE is going to prevent another F.Gray incident from occurring , they didn't use a gun to cause injuries ; afaik.
If our government (the only institution legally allowed to disarm anyone) were to disarm LE, they'd have to disarm the populace as well--- to make everything an equal playing field. Imo.

 

[LietKynes]

Sorry for the double post... couldn't seem to delete it.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-30...e-goes-aggressive-Twitter-rant-Baltimore.html
Wanted to add per this link; a somewhat humorous response to Mr. Moore by a David A. Clarke, Jr. --- who appears to be an African-Am. and most likely has more experience with the justice system than Mr. Moore.

MOO

 

[corundogs]

BBM- So, those officers had nothing better to do than to chase and arrest a guy for no reason at all. Not to mention being forced to physically drag him to the police van.

You can't really be questioning that. Maybe you are.

But I fully understand and believe that black people are harassed and wrongly arrested by LEO.

There is SERIOUS issues in this particular organization. Many injuries to citizens, with many lawsuits being paid. Rough rides are a KNOWN ISSUE! And have been for a long time.

Maybe you don't believe that.

 

[corundogs]

Double post

 

[SStarr33]

That is true. However, I don't doubt that the SA knows this knife was legal. Otherwise, she wouldn't charge them for misconduct. No need for it.

And of course, we KNOW that LEO never make up charges, right? ***/end sarcasm

And of course, we KNOW that SA never files BS charges, right? ***/end sarcasm

 

[Sonya610]

Michael Moore says:
Disarm the police. We have a 1/4 billion 2nd amendment guns in our homes 4 protection. We'll survive til the right cops r hired

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-police-and-free-nonviolent-black-prisoners/

LOL. So now Michael Moore says disarm the police and let American gun owners handle things on their own. Personally I would be fine with that, course it depends on where you live and if you are a gun owner.

 

[SStarr33]

You can't really be questioning that. Maybe you are.

But I fully understand and believe that black people are harassed and wrongly arrested by LEO.

There is SERIOUS issues in this particular organization. Many injuries to citizens, with many lawsuits being paid. Rough rides are a KNOWN ISSUE! And have been for a long time.

Maybe you don't believe that.

There was no mention of a rough ride made.

 

[SugarQueen]

I don't think so. Otherwise, the SA wouldn't have said it was an illegal arrest. She stated the knife was legal.

That is EXACTLY why the law has been debated over and over! While it states "switchblade" Baltimore's definition of a switchblade also describes OTHER knives. Is it ONLY switchblades that are illegal? Or is it also spring assisted and gravity knives?

 

[SStarr33]

Goodson bond 350K

Two others I didn't hear are 250K

 

[NSS]

Before she files charges she should be able to say with certainty who did what to who, otherwise how would she know what charges are appropriate? She should also have evidence to prove each of points of the crime. Evidence enough to convince an impartial jury. Otherwise she runs the risk of being in the middle of trial prep and new evidence coming up that points in a different direction.

Like the police who made the arrest had evidence of a crime?

 

[corundogs]

And of course, we KNOW that SA never files BS charges, right? ***/end sarcasm

In this particular case, as far as this particular issue...I don't believe an SA would. She didn't need the arrest to be unlawful for the others charges to be made.

 

[corundogs]

There was no mention of a rough ride made.

So, what do you think the "manslaughter by vehicle" are about??? The van didn't suddenly come to life and kill Freddie!

 

[popsicle]

That is EXACTLY why the law has been debated over and over! While it states "switchblade" Baltimore's definition of a switchblade also describes OTHER knives. Is it ONLY switchblades that are illegal? Or is it also spring assisted and gravity knives?

This is the Fed def of switchblade.

U.S. Code Title 15, Sect. 1241 defines switchblade knives as any knives which open "1) by hand pressure applied to a button or other device in the handle of the knife, or any knife having a blade which opens automatically; (2) by operation of inertia, gravity, or both".

 

[corundogs]

That is EXACTLY why the law has been debated over and over! While it states "switchblade" Baltimore's definition of a switchblade also describes OTHER knives. Is it ONLY switchblades that are illegal? Or is it also spring assisted and gravity knives?

I believe those would fall under the "any device" part. You obviously feel differently.

 

[mysteriew]

That is true. However, I don't doubt that the SA knows this knife was legal. Otherwise, she wouldn't charge them for misconduct. No need for it.

And of course, we KNOW that LEO never make up charges, right? ***/end sarcasm

Police departments have been known to make up charges. And prosecutors have been known to pursue charges they know to be improper. Prosecutors have also been known to commit all kinds of prosecutorial misconduct. That is why they have a name for it. I don't know what that has to do with anything.

All I am saying is that we have two contradicting statements. Both are authority figures. Both are supposedly trained to make that decision. So until we get a third opinion (like a judge) or at least get more info on the knife I can't really defend either statement. At some point more info on tbe knife will leak. At that time maybe I can see which is right. But the only thing I can really say at this point is that one of them has to be right and one wrong. .