MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #2

[Shiressleuth]

Just how it makes zero sense to some of us that Franz would get in his car to shoot ally while she was running, especially when they live together.

I agree. Unless we find a motive little will make sense.

 

[Spellbound]

WADR these cases are not comparable - based on their motive and MO. IMO. (sexual or elderly)


Two hours drive for a motiveless murder is the same everywhere IMO.

Not too often will we find exactly the same motive or circumstances in two crimes. But that isn't what you said ("He is a medic - he saves lives, not takes them.")

Medics, nurses, doctors, and many others are trained to save lives, and we've seen enough cases around here to know they can also commit murderous crimes.

Motiveless?? Do we know that yet?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Not too often will we find exactly the same motive or circumstances in two crimes. But that isn't what you said ("He is a medic - he saves lives, not takes them.")

Medics, nurses, doctors, and many others are trained to save lives, and we've seen enough cases around here to know they can also commit murderous crimes.

Motiveless?? Do we know that yet?

No -if we knew it would not have been stated as MOO
Motive less = no known motive

Not too often will we find exactly the same motive or circumstances in two crimes. But that isn't what you said ("He is a medic - he saves lives, not takes them.")

Medics, nurses, doctors, and many others are trained to save lives, and we've seen enough cases around here to know they can also commit murderous crimes.

Motiveless?? Do we know that yet?

Motiveless = no known moti

Not too often will we find exactly the same motive or circumstances in two crimes. But that isn't what you said ("He is a medic - he saves lives, not takes them.")

Medics, nurses, doctors, and many others are trained to save lives, and we've seen enough cases around here to know they can also commit murderous crimes.

Motiveless?? Do we know that yet?

 

[Spellbound]

No -if we knew it would not have been stated as MOO
Motive less = no known motive

Motiveless = no known moti

I interpreted your use of the word differently than you intended. Sorry. Motiveless means no provocation or reason. There probably is a kotice here, we just don't know it. Thanks for clarifying what you meant.

Definition: motiveless = adj occurring without motivation or provocation. “motiveless malignity” Synonyms: unprovoked, wanton unmotivated. without motivation (google definitiom)

 

[Shiressleuth]

Holly Area Veterans Resource Center Opens

I noticed this opened the month before Ally was shot.
Is it possible someone was attracted to the area who had not previously frequented there so regularly?

 

[bluesneakers]

No -if we knew it would not have been stated as MOO
Motive less = no known motive

I've never heard the word used this way. Motiveless means more like random, unprovoked, and with no motive. (I worry if it was in fact motiveless LE might have nothing to go on and it will remain unsolved.)

 

[Spellbound]

Holly Area Veterans Resource Center Opens

I noticed this opened the month before Ally was shot.
Is it possible someone was attracted to the area who had not previously frequented there so regularly?

I guess I'm not following you on this one. Are you thinking a disgruntled vet? Why take it out on a defenseless jogger then? Wouldn't a vet be more likely to target something (place) he/she was connected to?

Or do you mean someone could have come to/from that new center and she just happened to be in his path of anger? I suppose anything is possible. But this does not seem very logical to me.

 

[bluesneakers]

I guess I'm not following you on this one. Are you thinking a disgruntled vet? Why take it out on a defenseless jogger then? Wouldn't a vet be more likely to target something (place) he/she was connected to?

Or do you mean someone could have come to/from that new center and she just happened to be in his path of anger? I suppose anything is possible. But this does not seem very logical to me.

I'm with you, and as a veteran I resent the implication.

 

[Jerrod]

Holly Area Veterans Resource Center Opens

I noticed this opened the month before Ally was shot. Is it possible someone was attracted to the area who had not previously frequented there so regularly?

If by chance you're trying to draw a parallel between the Vet's Resource Center you're referencing and the bi-polar vet who killed 3 mental health workers at a vet's home near me in the Napa Valley earlier this year, they aren't the same type of facility. However, anyone new to the area is hopefully going to looked at by LE, just as an existing resident who suddenly leaves the area should be.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I was the one who originally called out the recent opening of the Veterans Center, although I didn’t know it opened just prior to Ally’s death.

I certainly mean no disrespect to Veterans, but all possibilities must be explored. We know many of our heroes come home to us with honor, but wounded. Some with PTSD, drug addictions, and of course, horrific physical wounds.

I think it is sensible to examine this possibility, as gut wrenching as the possibility is.

All my own amateur speculation and opinion.

 

[reasonableguess]

This is the only case I’ve followed where ANY speculation other than Daddy/ExBF/SODDI gets cut down before we can even discuss it.

Are we sleuthing, or are we digging trenches to defend “our” already-formed opinions?

 

[flourish]

This is the only case I’ve followed where ANY speculation other than Daddy/ExBF/SODDI gets cut down before we can even discuss it.

Are we sleuthing, or are we digging trenches to defend “our” already-formed opinions?

Wait... Other than daddy, ex, or some other dude did it, what else is there? I mean...SODDI can mean literally anyone but those two so it encompasses all humankind? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding.

ETA i guess suicide wouldn't be any of those technically not that's not a reasonable explanation here

 

[bluesneakers]

I was the one who originally called out the recent opening of the Veterans Center, although I didn’t know it opened just prior to Ally’s death.

I certainly mean no disrespect to Veterans, but all possibilities must be explored. We know many of our heroes come home to us with honor, but wounded. Some with PTSD, drug addictions, and of course, horrific physical wounds.

I think it is sensible to examine this possibility, as gut wrenching as the possibility is.

All my own amateur speculation and opinion.

What are the statistics on veterans and crime when compared to civilians and crime? What about people with mental illnesses vs people who don't have mental illnesses? What's the average age of the veterans at the center? Is it a medical treatment facility or just a service center?

I'm just wondering where this idea came from - that if a crime is committed LE should round up the local veterans and check them out.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I guess I'm not following you on this one. Are you thinking a disgruntled vet? Why take it out on a defenseless jogger then? Wouldn't a vet be more likely to target something (place) he/she was connmentionto?

Or do you mean someone could have come to/from that new center and she just happened to be in his path of anger? I suppose anything is possible. But this does not seem very logical to me.

Someone she knew could have encompassed someone from this newly set up facility, her father is a veteran, so the likelihood is possible imo. If the killer knew her, it could be only by knowing the family slightly. I thought the coincidence warranted the mention.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I'm with you, and as a veteran I resent the implication.

Isn't combatmedic a vet? No disrespect to vets intended (everyone is suspect).

 

[Spellbound]

Someone she knew could have encompassed someone from this newly set up facility, her father is a veteran, so the likelihood is possible imo. If the killer knew her, it could be only by knowing the family slightly. I thought the coincidence warranted the mention.

Good point, thank you for explanining. I didn't connect father being a vet. Not that I am convinced he msy be involved, but you are right.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Well it looks like I get the hornet's nest award for the day.
The last thing I want to do is offend anyone, and most especially Veterans!
Apologies to anyone I've offended. : (
Peace to all, and most of all....justice for Ally!

 

[JnRyan]

Just thinking about the statement from LE that Alexandra knew her killer. If she was employed in an occupation, say as a bookkeeper or in IT, and spent her entire work day with almost no interaction with those outside her co-workers that would be one thing. But she was a nurse and she came into contact with many others outside her fellow workers every day. If she did know her killer - even to only recognize a face - this can cover a LOT of ground.

 

[SeesSeas]

Sorry, I don't know if we had this already:
https://www.tctimes.com/news/local_...cle_e71bb142-ecc4-11e7-a4d9-2b58e5da74fd.html
I stopped to talk with her and she said she saw Ally jogging all the time.
 “Then she proceeds to tell me that in an area east of her house, for weeks or months, a vehicle filled with young men would park and listen to rap music really loud,” Nikki said. “Right after this happened to Ally, they disappeared. I asked if she gave the police this information and she said no, they didn’t want to get involved.

^^posted 6 weeks ago. Thanks FromGermany for this tidbit.
@Combatmedic2121 - Did Nikki mention this to you - about a woman telling Nikki that nearby 'a vehicle filled with young men would park and listen to rap music really loud,” Nikki said. “Right after this happened to Ally, they disappeared.'?
Jogger’s death continues to haunt family, community

• Dec 29, 2017

 “People still have information,” she said. “The reason I know this is in October, I was raking leaves when a woman in a car stopped to talk with me. She’s a mother and lives about a half a mile away from us. I stopped to talk with her and she said she saw Ally jogging all the time.

 “Then she proceeds to tell me that in an area east of her house, for weeks or months, a vehicle filled with young men would park and listen to rap music really loud,” Nikki said. “Right after this happened to Ally, they disappeared. I asked if she gave the police this information and she said no, they didn’t want to get involved.

“So, here is it 15 months later and someone is giving me something I felt was important,” she said. “I believe there are other people out there sitting on information. People, especially mothers, should not sit quiet on something that could solve the case.”

 

[Shiressleuth]

What are the statistics on veterans and crime when compared to civilians and crime? What about people with mental illnesses vs people who don't have mental illnesses? What's the average age of the veterans at the center? Is it a medical treatment facility or just a service center?

Some of these stats can be googled.

I'm just wondering where this idea came from - that if a crime is committed LE should round up the local veterans and check them out.