MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #2

[Shiressleuth]

If by chance you're trying to draw a parallel between the Vet's Resource Center you're referencing and the bi-polar vet who killed 3 mental health workers at a vet's home near me in the Napa Valley earlier this year, they aren't the same type of facility. However, anyone new to the area is hopefully going to looked at by LE, just as an existing resident who suddenly leaves the area should be.

No I didn't know about that case. I answered this in my response to Spell I hope. But I agree with your last sentence.

 

[Combatmedic2121]

Isn't combatmedic a vet? No disrespect to vets intended (everyone is suspect).

I am.
Army, 6 years active duty with 2 12-month combat tours in Iraq.

I don’t get offended when people refer to PTSD as, well, what it actually is... a mental illness.
I have many friends with PTSD from the war, and PTSD comes in many “shades” and has a wide range of severity.
I accept the fact that those friends of mine really are, in fact, mentally ill.... just like everyone else with this diagnosis. There’s nothing “disrespectful” about it.

Now, of course, not all mentally ill people are dangerous or violent...and in fact the vast majority are not.
However, there are mentally ill individuals out there who are violent and dangerous as a direct result of their illness, and this includes cases involving PTSD.

I say all this because it should be recognized that it is simply a fact that Franz is a mentally ill individual.
Franz saying things like “I see dead people” whenever I look at road kill... this is obviously not a sign of someone in good mental health.
Now does this fact, all by itself, automatically mean Franz must be a violent murderer? Obviously not!
However, that doesn’t mean this fact should just be ignored or completely dismissed either.
The number one question I get asked is, “How could a father just murder his own daughter?”
And to be completely honest, even though I strongly suspect Franz killed Ally that day, I can’t even begin to understand the “How?” Question....
I dont know if I, or anyone else, will ever be able to fully understand how a father could do something so seeming unimaginable.

This is why that “fact” I discussed earlier can’t be just tossed aside because it is at least possible (in my mind) that the state of Franz’s mental health could possibly have played some factor in him doing something that to most everyone else would be unthinkable.
I’m NOT saying it is! I’m saying I believe it could very well be relevant to this case.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

We are always very fortunate to have a VI in our midst to help shed light on a case. You may respectfully ask the VI questions, and you have the option of believing or disbelieving what they have to say. You may not be disrespectful towards them, insinuate their involvement, or make direct or veiled accusations against them.

No member wants to be responsible for a VI deciding they don't need the hassle.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I am.
Army, 6 years active duty with 2 12-month combat tours in Iraq.

I don’t get offended when people refer to PTSD as, well, what it actually is... a mental illness.
I have many friends with PTSD from the war, and PTSD comes in many “shades” and has a wide range of severity.
I accept the fact that those friends of mine really are, in fact, mentally ill.... just like everyone else with this diagnosis. There’s nothing “disrespectful” about it.

Now, of course, not all mentally ill people are dangerous or violent...and in fact the vast majority are not.
However, there are mentally ill individuals out there who are violent and dangerous as a direct result of their illness, and this includes cases involving PTSD.

I say all this because it should be recognized that it is simply a fact that Franz is a mentally ill individual.
Franz saying things like “I see dead people” whenever I look at road kill... this is obviously not a sign of someone in good mental health.
Now does this fact, all by itself, automatically mean Franz must be a violent murderer? Obviously not!
However, that doesn’t mean this fact should just be ignored or completely dismissed either.
The number one question I get asked is, “How could a father just murder his own daughter?”
And to be completely honest, even though I strongly suspect Franz killed Ally that day, I can’t even begin to understand the “How?” Question....
I dont know if I, or anyone else, will ever be able to fully understand how a father could do something so seeming unimaginable.

This is why that “fact” I discussed earlier can’t be just tossed aside because it is at least possible (in my mind) that the state of Franz’s mental health could possibly have played some factor in him doing something that to most everyone else would be unthinkable.
I’m NOT saying it is! I’m saying I believe it could very well be relevant to this case.

How could a father murder his daughter? It is unthinkable but I am thinking of the recent instance in Western Australia where the father murdered his daughter, grandchildren and wife then shot himself. I haven't checked the particular thread since this new system has been up but will see if motive was established in that case.

ETA
It appears the grandfather was suffering from depression and on medication.

Here is a link :-

Australia - 7 dead in mass shooting and suicide - Osmington WA - 11 May 2018

 

[JnRyan]

While I sit and drink my coffee I find myself rethinking my theories on Alexandra's murder. I was going back and looking at the murder of Rebekah Bletsch (a case VERY similar to this one) and abduction/murder of Jessica Heeringa.

Murder of Jessica Heeringa - Wikipedia

If two or more murders separated by a period of time meet the FBI definition of a serial killer, Jeffrey Willis would be a serial killer. Throw in the fact that he is a suspect in another murder of a 15 yo girl and he may well meet that definition. Yet it appears that LE did not make a connection to a possible serial killer till his botched attempt to abduct a 16 yo girl in 2016. Then LE found evidence linking him to the two crimes.

Could a serial killer be involved here and LE has nothing to connect it to another abduction, disappearance or murder? Combatmedic2121 seemed to indicate that LE doesn't have fingerprints or DNA. I'm not ruling out the possibility of murder by someone she knew for a personal reason or a one-time thrill kill or one-time murder by a stranger for some other reason, I'm just adding it to my list.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Jeffrey Willis trial: Defense says cousin Kevin Bluhm killed jogger

Sounds really similar. Except it was a .22 calibre shell found not a shotgun.

Were those two free in July 2016? I read they were charged in Sept 2016.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Jeffrey Willis trial: Defense says cousin Kevin Bluhm killed jogger

Sounds really similar. Except it was a .22 calibre shell found not a shotgun.

Were those two free in July 2016? I read they were charged in Sept 2016.

He was arrested two months after Ally’s death. The death of the jogger you post about happened 2.5 hours drive away; if he had known associates in the area it would add additional interest to this speculation.

I say this is a superb find, and worthy of additional examination. This fits my amateur, speculated profile.

 

[LR1]

He was arrested two months after Ally’s death. The death of the jogger you post about happened 2.5 hours drive away; if he had known associates in the area it would add additional interest to this speculation.

I say this is a superb find, and worthy of additional examination. This fits my amateur, speculated profile.

He was arrested two months prior to Alexandra's murder after trying to kidnap the one who got away. Not sure if he stayed in jail or released on bail. Pretty sure he was in jail.

 

[bluesneakers]

I am.
Army, 6 years active duty with 2 12-month combat tours in Iraq.

Army here too. I never saw combat but through different employment and volunteering opportunities I've spent time with a lot of vets who did. PTSD is often a heartbreaking illness, and even more often it's a misunderstood illness. For instance people believe someone has to have served in combat to develop it, or that people who have it are unstable or dangerous. I'm sure you know, just giving examples.

(I could go off on a whole other OT diatribe about how veterans are treated but that's for a different thread.)

 

[Shiressleuth]

Yes he was in jail at the time I am pretty sure too, his cousin KB who was an accomplice, I have not been able to verify.

He was arrested two months prior to Alexandra's murder after trying to kidnap the one who got away. Not sure if he stayed in jail or released on bail. Pretty sure he was in jail.[/QUOT

 

[LR1]

Yes he was in jail at the time I am pretty sure too, his cousin KB who was an accomplice, I have not been able to verify.

It looks like KB was arrested 21 June for lying to police and spent over a year in jail.

 

[Shiressleuth]

FOX 17

He was sentenced to time served on 9 Jan 2018 plus 5 years probation. His time served was 470 days so that means he must have been jailed around 26 Sept 2016 by my calculations.

Kevin Bluhm walks free for his role in Jessica Heeringa's murder
ETA
This link states 20 Sept

 

[LR1]

It's very convoluted but from my understanding he was arrested 17 June for obstruction, released on bail, arrested again on the 21st and stayed in jail until he was sentenced for time served having served the last 96 days and apparently charged that same day (sept 20)with accessory after the fact and those 470 day's started then.

Man Charged With Lying to Police in Jeffrey Willis Case
New charge: Cousin lied about Jeffrey Willis involvement in Heeringa disappearance
Kevin Bluhm sentenced to time served for lying about Heeringa, Bletsch cases

 

[Shiressleuth]

It's very convoluted but from my understanding he was arrested 17 June for obstruction, released on bail, arrested again on the 21st and stayed in jail until he was sentenced for time served having served the last 96 days and apparently charged that same day (sept 20)with accessory after the fact and those 470 day's started then.

Man Charged With Lying to Police in Jeffrey Willis Case
New charge: Cousin lied about Jeffrey Willis involvement in Heeringa disappearance
Kevin Bluhm sentenced to time served for lying about Heeringa, Bletsch cases

From your first link

Man Charged With Lying to Police in Jeffrey Willis Case

by Wendy Reed June 20, 2016 11:43 AMShare Article on FacebookShare Article on TwitterAaCourtesy of the Muskegon County JailA man has been arraigned and charged with obstruction of justice in connection with the investigation into accused killer Jeffrey Wills.The judge told Kevin Bluhm, 47, that he’s accused of giving police false statements about the last time he saw Willis, according to WZZM 13. Jail records indicate that Bluhm has been released on bond.Read More: Man Charged With Lying to Police in Jeffrey Willis Case | Man Charged With Lying to Police in Jeffrey Willis Case

He was released on bond it says so from Jun to Sept 2016 he was out "on bond" I think. But it is not that clear. He was a state prison officer prior to his arrest.
So he would be out on bond and not working at the time of AB's murder?

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

I am.
Army, 6 years active duty with 2 12-month combat tours in Iraq.

[RSBM for space]

I say all this because it should be recognized that it is simply a fact that Franz is a mentally ill individual.
Franz saying things like “I see dead people” whenever I look at road kill... this is obviously not a sign of someone in good mental health.
Now does this fact, all by itself, automatically mean Franz must be a violent murderer? Obviously not!
However, that doesn’t mean this fact should just be ignored or completely dismissed either.

[RSBM for space]

This is why that “fact” I discussed earlier can’t be just tossed aside because it is at least possible (in my mind) that the state of Franz’s mental health could possibly have played some factor in him doing something that to most everyone else would be unthinkable.
I’m NOT saying it is! I’m saying I believe it could very well be relevant to this case.

RunderlinedBM for focus.

First and foremost, thank you, @Combatmedic2121 for your service.

For those who may not be familiar with the “‘I see dead people’ whenever I look at road kill...” comment, and to put it in context, here is what Franz said in reply to the question, “Do you think about Vietnam today?”

“Vietnam will never go away for me. Vietnam is a daily thought and will be what I think about when I take my last breath. I can’t look at road kill because of Vietnam. I see dead people. I belong to a Vietnam support group where we talk about these things. There are many veterans who don’t know there is a lot of good help out there. All they need to do is contact a VA hospital or veterans center.” (BBM)

Meet Franz Brueger

Knowing that he served in Vietnam, personally, I don’t find the “I can’t look at roadkill” comment alarming at all, though I do find it very sad. As someone who has lived with PTSD for ten-plus years, at least for me, there are certain things, situations, people, places, scents, sounds, etc., that I must avoid because they bring back memories associated with the trauma and trigger flashbacks. I can easily see how for some people the sight of roadkill can bring back memories of Vietnam, which probably, and unfortunately, include dead people.

All of this is just my opinion and perspective based on personal experience, and I am more than happy to agree to disagree.

What I do find alarming, as well as disturbing, however, is your statement that you “say all this because it should be recognized that it is simply a fact that Franz is a mentally ill individual.” It is also troubling to me that you repeatedly refer to it as “fact.” The fact is only a licensed clinician (i.e., psychologist with a psych. Ph.D. or Psy.D., or a psychiatrist) can make that diagnosis.

What Franz’s response to Ms. Hogan’s question indicates to me personally is this is someone who isn’t afraid to talk about his personal struggles or to face them head-on (“I belong to a Vietnam support group where we talk about these things”), and is also trying to help others with similar experiences by sharing information about resources available.

 

[Spellbound]

nicely written, IMHO. Thank you for sharing your own experience, and for the thoughtful insights.

 

[ThinkThinkThink]

I'm torn between a narcissist committing this crime... and random/spur of the moment (stranger) event.

I appreciate everyone's contributions. I want as much info as possible, in as free-flowing a manner as possible... so we can all sift through as we will, with our intuition, experience and logic.

 

[Whiskers16]

@Combatmedic2121 - I'm curious if you know what efforts police may have made in trying to verify your alibi? if i recall right you were at home alone sleeping between shifts. did they look at your phone activity, online activity, or consider if any neighbors might have had cameras that would show if you had left/returned?

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

<snip>
The number one question I get asked is, “How could a father just murder his own daughter?”
And to be completely honest, even though I strongly suspect Franz killed Ally that day, I can’t even begin to understand the “How?” Question....
I dont know if I, or anyone else, will ever be able to fully understand how a father could do something so seeming unimaginable.
<snip>

RSABBM for focus

I think the fact that nobody can understand how or why Franz murdered his daughter in cold blood is simply because it didn't happen that way.

Occam's Razor

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I'm torn between a narcissist committing this crime... and random/spur of the moment (stranger) event.

I appreciate everyone's contributions. I want as much info as possible, in as free-flowing a manner as possible... so we can all sift through as we will, with our intuition, experience and logic.

https://nypost.com/2017/11/20/man-accused-of-killing-jogger-details-final-moments-of-torture/

“I was mad, I saw red,” the accused killer tells cops in the video
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When asked why he attacked the jogger, Lewis confusingly responded that he killed Vetrano “because a guy moved into my house and the neighborhood.”
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“His family left the room,” he (father of victim) said brusquely. “They couldn’t listen to his confession. We know where the coward got his cowardliness from.