MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #4

[Jennifer17]

And if the FBI were truly involved in the investigation, I would find it incredible if they did not interview the ex-boyfriend.

 

[TruthIsStranger]

LE will have already checked these work schedules of course as well as everything the suspect has said. We are just double checking what they have previously checked and found no discrepancies presumably.

I'm shocked that you don't remember the fact that LE said he lied! It's been stated at least 25 times on these threads. <modsnip removed snark>

 

[Shiressleuth]

UNSOLVED - Mi - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #2


"No, that was my point. If she had came over my place that morning like we had originally planned she wouldn't have been running on the road by her parents house.
She would have went to the gym down the street from my apartment that she regularly went to when she stayed at my place.I honestly can remember exactly how my schedule got switched around. I think I ended up having to cover for someone who was going to cover for me on another shift. Schedule changes happen pretty frequently working at a hospital. Was she being stalked or harrasssd at the hospital? Not that anyone was aware of and I’m pretty confident she would have told me, or someone, else if she was. Pretty much all the obvious things you would immediately suspect haven’t lead investigators anywhere. I mean, we’re almost 2 years into this investigation now... if it was something obvious or something that you would immediately suspect, this case probably would have been solved by now.... but it hasn’t been. Which makes think it’s something not obvious, something that you wouldn’t immediately suspect. If that makes sense."

This is my understanding:

According to what Wes posted on June 15th:
Sat.:
Ally: No work
Wes: Works (“night”)

Sun.: Neither works

Mon.: Neither works

(“So rather than her coming over Saturday morning and then just sitting at my apartment alone Saturday night while I worked, we shifted our plans to have her come over on either Sunday or Monday evening instead.”)
UNSOLVED - Mi - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #2

According to the screenshot (time-stamped: Jul 30, 2016, 4:45 AM; attached below) posted on July 16th:
Sat.:
A: No work
W: No work

Sun.:
A: No work
W: Works

Mon.:
A: Works (“day”)
W: Works

Please correct me if any of the above is incorrect.

ETA: It would be nice to know which version is factual and why Wes felt the need to come up with a fictitious one, MOO.

Thanks, those are correct. Looks like he changed shifts with someone as stated in his 15th June post.

 

[Shiressleuth]

It could be that the "FBI story" isn't a lie. It could be true. The FBI perhaps isn't investigating the murder of Ally, but maybe the FBI is investigating MSP misconduct. MSP Lt Shaw perhaps doesn't know if the FBI is investigating his agency MSP (above his pay grade!), or if he did, he wouldn't admit it to a news reporter.
Our VI news reporter expressed her own suspicions of possible MSP misconduct.

It could be the Feds (Federal bureau of ATF) who talked to the suspect and his family about gun ownership but the FBI were involved initially for profiling purposes and because of the other two joggers killed around the same time as Ally. I agree with your post.

 

[black_squirrel]

What is the exact statement that Wes made about the FBI's involvement?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I found this post by Wes from March 21st of this year:

“[RSBM]
How I found out... (condensed version)
I had just gotten to the hospital for my shift that night. Security came to my floor and said MSP wanted to speak with me.
When I spoke to them they eventually told me “Ally was shot while she was jogging” but that’s it. They asked for my phone, searched my car, apartment, took my laptop, I basically let them do and have whatever they wanted because they said at the end they would tell me more about where Ally was. ALL I cared about at the time was finding what hospital Ally was at and getting to her. Her being dead wasn’t an option my brain could even imagine.

At the end they wouldn’t tell me where she was at or how seriously hurt she was. Then they dropped me off back at the hospital and told me to “just go to work, try not to think about all of this”.... yeah OK!

As soon as I got back to my floor (keep in mind... I had been gone for hours) my manager grabbed me and pulled me into an empty room. I immediately started telling him that Ally was shot while she was jogging, they won’t tell me where shes at, I have to find out what hospital!

Then he says, “Wes, listen... I hate to be the one to tell you this... I’m SO sorry Wes!”
And then he slid his phone in front of me with an article he had pulled up. The title read, “Jogger fatally shot in Holly”. I’ll be honest, I don’t even know if those were the exact words... because once I saw that word “fatally” my whole ****ing world came crashing down around me. It really felt like my own, personal end of the world. It’s honestly hard to describe in words...

So that’s how I found out....
[RSBM]”
MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, fatally shot while jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016

Then again in the text screenshot, he doesn’t even say he is working on Sat. In his June 15th post, however, he says he was.

The above post is very emotional and sounds almost too elaborate to be a lie, but despite all its details, his FBI story did turn out to be a lie.

At this point, I’m just having a very hard time believing anything he has said.

In examining Wes’s above words alone as a free standing open statement - I find the author, Wes, writing to his reader emphasizing the following as his narrative:
“how I found out”... leading with “I had just gotten to the hospital for my shift that night.”

MSP wanted to speak with Wes. MSP ‘eventually’ told Wes that Ally was shot while she was jogging” ‘but that’s it’. Wes was completely ‘cooperative’ with MSP. Why was Wes ‘cooperative’? ALL Wes cared about ‘at the time’ was finding what hospital Ally was at and getting to her. MSP wasn’t cooperating with Wes. MSP wasn’t giving Wes any details. Wes wanted details. MSP said ‘at the end’ they would tell Wes more about where Ally was. At the end MSP wouldn’’t tell Wes where Ally was at or how seriously hurt she was. MSP not cooperating. Then MSP dropped ‘cooperative’ Wes off back at the hospital and told Wes to “just go to work, to try not to think about Ally being shot”...yeah OK! MSP still not cooperating! As soon as Wes got back to his floor (important for reader to keep in mind...Wes had been gone for hours ‘cooperating’ with MSP) his manager ‘grabbed’ Wes and ‘pulled’ Wes into an ‘empty’ room. Wes ‘immediately’ started telling manager that Ally was shot while she was jogging. MSP won’’t tell Wes where Ally’s at, Wes has to find out what hospital! MSP still not cooperating!

Then manager says:
“Wes, listen... I hate to be the one to tell you this... I’’m SO sorry Wes!”” Then manager slid his phone in front of Wes with an article he had pulled up. The title read, “’Jogger fatally shot in Holly”’. Wes wi’ll be ‘honest’. Wes doesn’t even know if those were the exact words... because once Wes saw that word “’fatally.’” his whole ****ing world came crashing down around him. It really felt like Wes’s own, personal end of the world. It’s ‘honestly’ hard for Wes to describe in words...
-closing narrative:
“So that’s how I found out”....
The underlying themes of his statement are time and location. These can be indicative elements of deception.

 

[Shiressleuth]

"On a side note! I want to say I honestly appreciate the attention this thread and Ally’s case has been receiving. The more eyes on this case the better! I’ve had multiple posters message me privately with useful info regarding Franz. Info I wouldn’t have obtained otherwise. Thank you!I know I can be harsh, sarcastic, or “mouthy” (as Franz would say). Ally and I were honestly a lot alike in that way. We were tough mentally and verbally, but never with each other! And Ally was even tougher and more sarcastic than I am!We rarely ever fought! But when we did I would always let her win lol.I take the positions I do and defend them as tough as I do because if the roles were reveresed... Ally would fight for justice and truth regarding my murder.Ally was toughest woman and most intelligent woman I’ve ever met. If roles were reversed and she was on this forum she would make me look like a sweetheart! I promise! She would be raising Hell!If there’s one quote that represents Ally’s personality the best, it’s this:“And though she be little... she is fierce!”And I absolutely loved her for it!It was the things I loved most about Ally...the things that made me fall in love with her... that I believe Franz hated the most.... that’s why this is more deeply personal than any of you will ever realize.I tell you this to give you an insight of the kind of woman you all seek justice for.
"
This is post 381 in thread 2 , page 20 and is around this time he also begins discussing the FBI.

(Not sure who the multiple posters are that he mentions)

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"On a side note! I want to say I honestly appreciate the attention this thread and Ally’s case has been receiving. The more eyes on this case the better! I’ve had multiple posters message me privately with useful info regarding Franz. Info I wouldn’t have obtained otherwise. Thank you!I know I can be harsh, sarcastic, or “mouthy” (as Franz would say). Ally and I were honestly a lot alike in that way. We were tough mentally and verbally, but never with each other! And Ally was even tougher and more sarcastic than I am!We rarely ever fought! But when we did I would always let her win lol.I take the positions I do and defend them as tough as I do because if the roles were reveresed... Ally would fight for justice and truth regarding my murder.Ally was toughest woman and most intelligent woman I’ve ever met. If roles were reversed and she was on this forum she would make me look like a sweetheart! I promise! She would be raising Hell!If there’s one quote that represents Ally’s personality the best, it’s this:“And though she be little... she is fierce!”And I absolutely loved her for it!It was the things I loved most about Ally...the things that made me fall in love with her... that I believe Franz hated the most.... that’s why this is more deeply personal than any of you will ever realize.I tell you this to give you an insight of the kind of woman you all seek justice for.
"
This is post 381 in thread 2 , page 20 and is around this time he also begins discussing the FBI.

(Not sure who the multiple posters are that he mentions)

I didn’t realize Shiressleuth. I know better than to make judgements without the receiving of information. I’ve not yet comprehended the deep passions invested in Ally’s death and intriguing circumstances. On both sides of the street. Catching my attention has been the divide of vantage and viewpoints between contributing and thoughtful members. I admit I’ve gotten a strong vibe emitting from your posts and have wondered why. Thank you for sharing insight to help us better understand and better communicate. Growing thick skin is crucial to successfully participate in online discussion without bias. I learn something new everyday and appreciate this forum for it.

 

[Spellbound]

"On a side note! I want to say I honestly appreciate the attention this thread and Ally’s case has been receiving. The more eyes on this case the better! I’ve had multiple posters message me privately with useful info regarding Franz. Info I wouldn’t have obtained otherwise. Thank you!I know I can be harsh, sarcastic, or “mouthy” (as Franz would say). Ally and I were honestly a lot alike in that way. We were tough mentally and verbally, but never with each other! And Ally was even tougher and more sarcastic than I am!We rarely ever fought! But when we did I would always let her win lol.I take the positions I do and defend them as tough as I do because if the roles were reveresed... Ally would fight for justice and truth regarding my murder.Ally was toughest woman and most intelligent woman I’ve ever met. If roles were reversed and she was on this forum she would make me look like a sweetheart! I promise! She would be raising Hell!If there’s one quote that represents Ally’s personality the best, it’s this:“And though she be little... she is fierce!”And I absolutely loved her for it!It was the things I loved most about Ally...the things that made me fall in love with her... that I believe Franz hated the most.... that’s why this is more deeply personal than any of you will ever realize.I tell you this to give you an insight of the kind of woman you all seek justice for.
"
This is post 381 in thread 2 , page 20 and is around this time he also begins discussing the FBI.

(Not sure who the multiple posters are that he mentions)

And the point of this is .... ? She could stand up to others when needed? (Unfortunately, not if they had a gun)

 

[celinenova]

I believe this Wes guy may have had something to do with her death. This sounds like something a jilted or former jilted lover would do. Someone who aspires to achieve their dreams and their life gets cut short. Such a loss.

 

[Spellbound]

But Wes' fans do not believe LE. They prefer to believe a little pumped up man who was out on dating sites when he was with Ally. And he is a little, tiny man in all senses of those words.

Reminds me of the word gullible/gullibility
gullibility - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com
Gullibility is the quality of believing in things too quickly. Someone with a lot of gullibility can be easily tricked. ... in response, then you are proving to be gullible: a little too ready to believe what you hear. The word for this quality or tendency is gullibility

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Shires, I don’t understand the necessity of frequently mentioning private messages from other posters (members?) and how those ‘private’ messages effectively contribute to helping solve her murder. It’s too close to violating boundary lines of TOS. It sometimes feels as if your teasing or taunting by implying you have personal information others aren’t privy to. You seem angry that you can’t openly talk about it...that others don’t understand what you perceive to know to be true. You seem so adamant. How do you know these things? Why are you so aggressive? I don’t understand. Are you a VI?

 

[Shiressleuth]

And the point of this is .... ? She could stand up to others when needed? (Unfortunately, not if they had a gun)

Posters are intelligent and will make up their own minds. I'm just posting what he said on here for those who have missed it or want to review it.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Shires, I don’t understand the necessity of frequently mentioning private messages from other posters (members?) and how those ‘private’ messages effectively contribute to helping solve her murder. It’s too close to violating boundary lines of TOS. It sometimes feels as if your teasing or taunting by implying you have personal information others aren’t privy to. You seem angry that you can’t openly talk about it...that others don’t understand what you perceive to know to be true. You seem so adamant. How do you know these things? Why are you so aggressive? I don’t understand. Are you a VI?

I only know what I read on here and other authorised sources or what I have sleuthed. I certainly am not aggressive or angry, nor do I have inside info via other sources. I don't know what the VI meant when he stated that. As it hasn't been modsnipped it must be ok. It is against TOS to solicit pm's, but he was thanking posters. So I don't know. We have to make our own minds up about it.
MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Thank you. I offered an observation. I’m often wrong, sometimes not. We do have to make up our own minds. True statement. I agree.

 

[Hazelnutty]

If Wes was so in love with her why was he on dating sites ?

(^^^I'm unable to locate the above reference location. Internet speed or site issues are interfering with my mojo.)

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

This thread is now completely about Wes and not so much about Ally, imo. I don't like what he did to this discussion by lying about the case then attacking people who questioned him. He divided and conquered, to a certain extent. Sad. Frustrating.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Yes, EuTu. I regret furthering the tangent.

 

[bluenoser]

In Post # 228, these are not Shires words, they are Wes's. Just thought I'd clarify that

 

[bears10]

It could be that the "FBI story" isn't a lie. It could be true. The FBI perhaps isn't investigating the murder of Ally, but maybe the FBI is investigating MSP misconduct. MSP Lt Shaw perhaps doesn't know if the FBI is investigating his agency MSP (above his pay grade!), or if he did, he wouldn't admit it to a news reporter.
Our VI news reporter expressed her own suspicions of possible MSP misconduct.

That seems like a pretty serious accusation to make, that the FBI could be investigating MSP misconduct. Do you have links that point to MSP misconduct? Or is this accusation strictly based on wes saying the Brugers may have friends in LE?