GUILTY MI - Ramsay Scrivo, 32, found dismembered, St Clair County, 27 Jan 2014 - #1

[AstroKitty]

I always find it odd when a very educated woman that held a decent paying job who is married etc, decides to shoplift. This is also a woman who was fired for mishandling medication. I won't be shocked if Donna is either using drugs or is bipolar which unmedicated would send her into highs and lows, that explains the shoplifting but absolutely don't explain Ramsay's murder.

I have speculated since I've seen Donna's face that she is a pill head.

 

[Joe Friday]

What happened to $175,000 between the life insurance payout and January? That's a LOT of money to blow through so quickly.

SFSBBM

The only thing I can think of is she paid off a lot of debt.

Donna might of paid off any loan balances on her home and possibly even Ramsay's home. I would imagine there were funeral expenses also from her late husband which are certainly not cheap. She might of been neck deep in credit card debt that she paid too.

JMO

 

[AstroKitty]

A sensible person would pay off debt, but she received the life payout in installments (2, I believe). Then suddenly she had a fire and received funds for that. She was pretty broke in between the two things in the course of 7 months. With her shoplifting charge, I'm going to guess she mishandles money. Just a feeling. I think Donna may have been triggered by the "windfall" from her hursbands' death.

 

[FragileSugar]

Goodness! I just read this entire thread and all I have to say is:

This has got to be one of the most batcrap crazy cases I've ever heard of!

 

[walkingdeadgirl]

SFSBBM

The only thing I can think of is she paid off a lot of debt.

Donna might of paid off any loan balances on her home and possibly even Ramsay's home. I would imagine there were funeral expenses also from her late husband which are certainly not cheap. She might of been neck deep in credit card debt that she paid too.

JMO

She just doesn't strike me as a person who would be responsible with money, and put it to a proper use like paying off back debts in such a manner. jmo.

 

[kpm]

I was thinking the same thing yesterday when I read who the ME was. I also searched for David's thread yesterday and couldn't even find it, but I remembered David's case and knew that Spitz had done the initial autopsy and missed the bullet.

At one point David's family was searching for more answers about his death. I know that he allegedly shot himself in the back of the head....very strange I feel very bad for his family....

 

[Lyra500]

Yes, and it might be helpful to know how the doctors (mentioned in various articles) diagnosed Ramsay.

Hi

I am new to this thread, but that is a question which really interested me. Apart from those doctors, we really only have Donna's word for anything to do with Ramsay's health as I think his brother didn't live locally did he? So he could have been fed a diet of untruths by his mother - because let's face it, we now know she simply is not to be trusted.

It was all 'Ramsay was getting dangerous and threatening his own life' but these statements were all quotes from Donna. I would love to see what the actual doctors said.

So, i would love to know who those doctors were and how they knew Donna and Ramsay.

Having said that, at least some of the articles seem to suggest that Ramsay supported his mother's court application, but who knows what medication she might have been giving him and how she might have broken him emotionally by that time, particularly in the depths of his bereavement. It sounds as if she may have been running him down and emotionally abusing him for some time if the work colleague's account is true.

Apart from Donna and the mysterious 'doctors' is there any other account from an external source to confirm that Ramsay was as mentally ill as she suggested?

 

[Lyra500]

My understanding or interpretation is that RS had believed the family FRIEND had poisoned him, not DS.

That is how I read it too - that the court was being told he though a family friend was trying to poison him. But since all of this came out of the mouth of DS, it seems pretty unreliable with the benefit of hindsight.

The crown removal does indicate quite marked mental illness if it is true. Again, i hope there are contemporaneous medical records to back all these claims up and it has not all been an elaborate fabrication by DS.

I noticed an interesting sentence in one of the recently linked articles (the one about toxicology I think) which said that DS was not co-operating with the investigation. I suppose since there really is no way to manipulate and wriggle her way out of this one, she is probably just refusing to communicate altogether.

 

[Lyra500]

A number of other posters have expressed suspicion about the true cause of Mr Scrivo senior's death and I really wonder about that too.

Any investigation into those circumstances will be severely hampered by the fact that his body was cremated. How convenient.

Does anyone know whether people have been convicted of murder in similar circumstances when there is no body to exhume and examine?

 

[east2west]

I always find it odd when a very educated woman that held a decent paying job who is married etc, decides to shoplift. This is also a woman who was fired for mishandling medication. I won't be shocked if Donna is either using drugs or is bipolar which unmedicated would send her into highs and lows, that explains the shoplifting but absolutely don't explain Ramsay's murder.

I have speculated since I've seen Donna's face that she is a pill head.

Astro, what facial features of hers remind you of pill head.?. I usually can spot a booze hag with no problem.

 

[Kip]

Astro, what facial features of hers remind you of pill head.?. I usually can spot a booze hag with no problem.

She looks like a meth head to me. In the photos of her on Facebook, she looks about 20-30 years younger. When I saw a current photo of her, I was shocked. Meth can age people really fast in just a year.

 

[zwiebel]

It sure can.
http://www.facesofmeth.us/

ETA: scroll down to enter and see pics. Too shocking to link direct.

 

[pieper4]

My experience w/meth heads is the tale-tell condition of the face. They tend to develop sores. I don't recall any on DS's face.

 

[Akweks]

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...case/-/1719418/24646000/-/7n7i3i/-/index.html

Charged with Premeditated Murder.
From the article: Police say an investigation led to surveillance videos of Donna Scrivo purchasing the Skilsaw used to dismember her son's body. The saw was found in one of the bags of body parts. Investigators also found DNA evidence in the trunk of Donna Scrivo's vehicle.

 

[pieper4]

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...case/-/1719418/24646000/-/7n7i3i/-/index.html

From the article: Police say an investigation led to surveillance videos of Donna Scrivo purchasing the Skilsaw used to dismember her son's body. The saw was found in one of the bags of body parts. Investigators also found DNA evidence in the trunk of Donna Scrivo's vehicle.

Ugh. A circular saw. What a holy mess. http://www.freep.com/article/20140224/NEWS04/302240116/Mother-accused-of-son-s-murder-in-dismemberment-case

 

[fearless]

And she is nurse!!!!!!!
Helping people ????
Ugh.
Unique horror mom!

 

[pieper4]

And she is nurse!!!!!!!
Helping people ????
Ugh.
Unique horror mom!

Not to mention I believe her last nursing job was in a nursing/hospice facility? I could be wrong. WTH made that mind of hers tick?

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

How do we know for sure he threatened to hang himself in the past? If that comes from Donna I wouldn't believe it for a minute. I think she is a psychopath and totally behind the death of her husband, who Ramsay was close to AND who perhaps protected Ramsay..and once his Dad was gone, maybe he "knew things" about Donna/about what she'd done.....and he was afraid. Based on the many comments I've read online from those who knew him well (past coworkers, friends, etc) I don't believe for a minute that he had any mental health issues - I believe that Donna did a lot of gaslighting where he was concerned, making him BELIEVE he was mentally ill (perhaps even sneaking meds into his food/beverages to make him hallucinate). I think she set the fire in her home so that she would be able to move in with Ramsay and have total control over him, maybe "keep him quiet" about things he might have known/seen with regard to his father's death. I think she was and is a truly evil sick twisted monster who had been for some time. I hope she rots.

Ramsey had threatened to hang himself in the past.

I think it is possible that Donna found Ramsey dead after he committed suicide by hanging or strangling himself and for whatever reason decided to cut up his body and disposed of it the way she did.

Donna might of taken out a life insurance policy on Ramsey and the suicide clause wouldn't have paid if Ramsey committed suicide within a certain amount of time from when the policy was issued. Donna knowing that might of tried making the death look like a homicide to insure she collected the money.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what the medical examiner decides.

JMO

 

[Akweks]

It's just so unfathomable, isn't it. Did he kill himself or did she kill him? I can imagine either scenario but the brutality she exhibited after his death leads me to believe she was responsible for his death as well. I think he had mental health issues that she certainly could have exacerbated by secretly drugging him. As a matter of fact, I can't imagine her being able to strangle him without the use of some drug to incapacitate him.

But why? What on earth was her motivation? Was she going to get rid of him and start a new life? I just don't understand. She was clearly very angry.

IMHO.

 

[TigerBalm]

Mother who 'suffocated and dismembered her mentally-ill son' was caught on surveillance video buying circular saw

A Michigan mother charged with murdering and dismembering her son was captured on CCTV buying a circular saw.

The saw Donna Scrivo, 60, bought was found in one of the bags containing the remains of Ramsay Scrivo, 32, which were found strewn across rural parts of St Clair County.

Scrivo was charged Monday with the murder of her son after previously being charged with mutilating and illegally removing a body.

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According to the Detroit Free Press, Assistant Prosecutor William Cataldo said that Ramsay Scrivo was 'horrifically mutilated' with ligature marks on his neck and blunt-force trauma to his head and shoulders.

An autopsy showed he died of asphyxiation.

Cataldo said at a bond hearing earlier this month that Ramsay Scrivo's body had likely been placed in a bathtub and set on fire after it was mutilated.
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567227/Mom-charged-killing-dismembering-mentally-ill-son-caught-surveillance-video-buying-circular-saw.html