GUILTY MI - Ramsay Scrivo, 32, found dismembered, St Clair County, 27 Jan 2014 - #1

[AstroKitty]

Wow, 90 days is a seriously long time for a psych hold.

On the topic of the med error, which apparently was only twice (which is enough) - I'm wondering if it caused a death both times or serious injury? Anyone have insight to this?

 

[AstroKitty]

^ he told someone he was afraid she poisoned him ^!

What are your thoughts? I think Ramsay may have suspected his mom poisoned his dad and maybe the "med errors" were his basis for that speculation as well.

Totally speculation of course, but what if she had 2 med errors - causing death in 2 patients or distress, then his dad dies after she had given him a dose of meds...

suddenly Nurse Donna is trying to get Ramsay to take his meds and he falls ill? His paranoia and accusations sound "crazy" or frighten her, so to protect her neck she has him committed?

This is like some lifetime movie.

 

[nursebeeme]

what is sad is that the judge didn't look into his accusations that his mother was poisoning him and took her ruling on "the surface" :moo:

eta: or someone... based on the article wording

 

[nursebeeme]

What are your thoughts? I think Ramsay may have suspected his mom poisoned his dad and maybe the "med errors" were his basis for that speculation as well.

Totally speculation of course, but what if she had 2 med errors - causing death in 2 patients or distress, then his dad dies after she had given him a dose of meds...

suddenly Nurse Donna is trying to get Ramsay to take his meds and he falls ill? His paranoia and accusations sound "crazy" or frighten her, so to protect her neck she has him committed?

This is like some lifetime movie.

things happened way too quickly for me, that is for sure (death, fire, then the court stuff) and now he feared his mother was poisoning him but she made sure to take him to court to say he was psychotic? I am sure we will see the GAD again :twocents:

 

[Akweks]

^ he told someone he was afraid she poisoned him ^!

That makes more sense. When I read it, I thought he was accusing the family friend of poisoning him.

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK64178/

substance induced disorders above and both anxiety and psychosis are possible.

I again am just bumping this up.

 

[AstroKitty]

Im trying to wrap my brain around 90 days. Insurance isn't exactly keen on long stays, it's rather expensive. He either wasn't getting better and they were trying different med combinations OR he had a medical detox follow up with drug rehab /combined with psycho therapy.

I'm a bit upset that the media is victim blaming here, or at least throwing out enough bait to make it seem like Ramsay had it coming to him.

I wonder if her former employer will look into deaths that happened on her shift? To get fired after over a decade of service is saying something.

 

[SisterWolf]

^ he told someone he was afraid she poisoned him ^!

I was under the impression that she said he thought the family friend poisoned him and he made threats against the family friend.

 

[nursebeeme]

That makes more sense. When I read it, I thought he was accusing the family friend of poisoning him.

he could have been saying it about anyone really.. if he had the quick onset of symptoms and didn't know where they were coming from... didn't I read an earlier comment that his mother was "doting"??? so maybe he never would suspect her.. but it sure as heck looks like she chopped his head off and left it along the road!

 

[pieper4]

^ he told someone he was afraid she poisoned him ^!

I read this several times yesterday. Sign of a poorly written sentence, since we can't know which "she" the author is referring to. Mom? The AGL? The 'friend'?

 

[nursebeeme]

I read this several times yesterday. Sign of a poorly written sentence, since we can't know which "she" the author is referring to. Mom? The AGL? The 'friend'?

I agree but either way isn't the timing odd??????

doting mother who never went to court before has husband die, house burns, then son feels like he is poisoned, starts having new symptoms, and then he ends up with his head chopped off and the rest of his parts strewn along I-94?

If he felt poisoned he could have thought it was someone else? My gosh he could have sworn off meds thinking they were making him crazy, etc. She was living with him at the time so she could have been giving him something all along without him knowing otherwise.

 

[pieper4]

I agree but either way isn't the timing odd??????

doting mother who never went to court before has husband die, house burns, then son feels like he is poisoned, starts having new symptoms, and then he ends up with his head chopped off and the rest of his parts strewn along I-94?

If he felt poisoned he could have thought it was someone else? My gosh he could have sworn off meds thinking they were making him crazy, etc. She was living with him at the time so she could have been giving him something all along without him knowing otherwise.

Absolutely. This whole thing reeks to high heaven...

 

[fran]

I wonder what the COD was for the dad?

JMHO
fran

 

[AstroKitty]

For a family that was awestruck by the fathers' passing, getting Ramsay committed the day OF his death (verses taking him to the ER to be sedated with a 24 hr hold .. maybe) and then 2 days later she's petitioning the court for guardianship and an involuntary hold?? That's far too fast and methodical for my taste. How many of us would be capable of doing all of that while making funeral/wake arrangements? That's a bit much isn't it? Given that it sounds like Ramsay had a GP and could have had him or her call in a short script of a benzo and a follow-up to see if an SSRI or therapy is needed. Also sounds like Ramsay had a history of anxiety and possible depression, which would give way to believing he had at least a therapist or a PDOC, who again would have gotten him in ASAP. Why go right to the psych hospital? That seems overtly dramatic.

 

[nursebeeme]

For a family that was awestruck by the fathers' passing, getting Ramsay committed the day OF his death (verses taking him to the ER to be sedated with a 24 hr hold .. maybe) and then 2 days later she's petitioning the court for guardianship and an involuntary hold?? That's far too fast and methodical for my taste. How many of us would be capable of doing all of that while making funeral/wake arrangements? That's a bit much isn't it? Given that it sounds like Ramsay had a GP and could have had him or her call in a short script of a benzo and a follow-up to see if an SSRI or therapy is needed. Also sounds like Ramsay had a history of anxiety and possible depression, which would give way to believing he had at least a therapist or a PDOC, who again would have gotten him in ASAP. Why go right to the psych hospital? That seems overtly dramatic.

I think they even let him go before the 90 days and then dismissed the follow up AND he in active status of getting the guardianship dismissed. (links upstream)

bet she didn't like that.

I see where she was still getting W/C but not working so maybe that was set to run out? (re: after her firing)

I will try to make a timeline of all of this.. as it really does seem to flow in a pattern.

 

[nursebeeme]

I just read the sleuthing from the start of this thread onward after her ID was made and I urge you guys all to read back several pages. (starting around post number eta: 200 ish)

 

[SieSie]

I am so confused about their living arrangements based on so many different articles I've read (all linked in this thread somewhere)...

It's been stated that DS lived with RS because of having renovations done at her house due to a house fire... then in another article (quoted below) from The Macomb Daily, it says that RS hasn't lived at the house for 8 years... ???

He purchased a condominium in St. Clair Shores eight years ago but never lived there because he failed to complete remodeling projects, he told her last June.

So, which was it?! She was living with him since her fire, or he, himself, hasn't even lived there for 8 years?!

Such poor writing at the article linked above, the "he told her last June" (BBM) doesn't make sense either, I mean, she didn't know where he was living all those years? I'm not buying her story on why she wanted him committed, but maybe the poor writing and different media reports are just confusing me.

ETA: That Macomb Daily article also spelled Ramsay's name wrong through the entire article. :banghead:

 

[AstroKitty]

Thanks nurse! I'm really drawn to this case and I have no idea why. I'm trying to keep the timeline fresh in my head because as you said, there does seem to be a pattern to things.

I had a feeling it was money motivated early on, not too sure why - but I did. I wonder what her "lifestyle" was like? Seems she dressed youthful and trendy, although her car is definitely dated and an older model. I wonder what she liked to spend her money on?

I know this is just speculation and by all means nothing points to it, but I can't help but think that she abuses Rx meds. She has that "look" in her face. The eyes, the gauntness - something about her appearance that I can't put my finger on - but she doesn't look warm or trusting. Again, it's probably nothing.

I'm very curious on what her life was like between the time she was fired and the death of her husband. What did she do during that time? What was her relationships like with people?

She also is very involved with breast cancer awareness. Did her mother pass from that in Jan, or did she herself have it?

I'm also torn on how the husband passed, because 1st hand accounts on msg boards are that he died suddenly and the media is stating he had a long terminal illness.

 

[SieSie]

RSBM:

I will try to make a timeline of all of this.. as it really does seem to flow in a pattern.

Thank you, Nurse! A timeline would be great - I've been taking notes of certain dates, but don't have specific links to back them up, so I didn't want to take on the task of creating a timeline. Can't wait to see what you come up with! :blowkiss:

 

[nursebeeme]

it is all so confusing.. one says she was living in a hotel after the housefire (but this would be while she was taking him to court as it was only two days later after his death right?)

says she moves in with him

but yet they say he didn't move there due to rennovations (was he supposed to fix the fire problems?)

so confusing!

timeline will be very difficult at this point but I will work on it