Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom murdered NC part 9

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RC......we have no idea, apparently, when JY left the house on 11/2......i'm starting to really wonder if the friend (that watched Grey's A with Michelle) actually saw JY leave that night.....you have me really wondering now if he just didn't pick up & leave before MY got home from work....this is nowhere NEAR what i first speculated though.......heck, i guess he could have left for the meeting like 3 or 4 pm on that Thursday....checked in wherever, headed back to the house......maybe he DID call MY at 11 pm, while on his way BACK to the house, but claims he was just checking on her??....seems that LE could track that phone call though & know where he was ..???....i tend to think there WAS an 11 pm phone call...why mention it to the friend at the funeral if there wasn't....i think it was part of the alibi....

still thinking here...

 

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Here's the link to the N&O report "Blood reported in husband's SUV"

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/529376.html

1 It's also been confirmed in this report that Jason's attorney requested it's return.
2 Smith picked up the SUV on Thursday.
3 They're also using the term 'droplet'.
4 Stated that Cassidy's footprints were found 'thoughout' the house
5 Donnie still wants Jason to talk with investigators
6 "Some sort of relationship" with a woman in Florida.
7 They're still interviewing people and following leads.
8 "Does not mean that the dept is any closer to making an arrest or naming a suspect." states Phyllis Stephens, WCSO spokeswoman.

Sami

I think this is the one that gives the most info

ok, if this blood was a "droplet" i have to say i don't think it was Michelle's blood....i can't see JY getting back into his vehicle with Michelle's blood dripping off him.....

 

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as far as the business meeting goes, i DO think it was an early morning meeting....that's what JY told the friend at the funeral.....Scandi, i think you're right....i'll guess that the 'meeting' was at 9 am or before....

Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral.

http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html

 

[raisincharlie]

well, i just don't know what to think RC.....i keep going back to the rumor/statement from an 'insider' of an 11 pm phone call....i keep going back to the rumor from a neighbor about a delivery person seeing JY's vehicle, when it should have been on the road elsewhere......i just don't think a hitman was involved....there's something that's got LE stumped, imo....(about the timeline/business meeting)...thinking

Looking at the data we have, on face value, the gas receipts tend to support that JY filled up in Raleigh and headed to Duffield where he re-filled the gas tank. It is not beyond the realm of possibility there were other gas purchases with cash and no receipts involved. What is missing in the search warrant is the location of the hotel. Also, no receipts for meals - the guy does not eat and apparently did not take a client out for lunch. I do not think JY drove all the way to Duffield on 11/2.

I don't think this because the truth is we do not know for sure when he left Raleigh. Example - if the friend(s) saw JY at 8 pm and he left then - he could not have made it to Duffield before the rumored 11 pm call. He would theoretically be within striking distance. The hotel receipt is for 11/2 - is this an 11/2 check in or check out ? My experience with hotels are both dates are present on the receipt. I'll assume it is the check in date - if he left at 8 pm for instance, stopped and bought gas and then accounting for the time to check in - the max drive time is slightly over 2 hours if he did call at 11 pm. The latest he could have checked in would have been 11:59 on 11/2 - or max of 3 hours away - plenty of time to return to a hotel 2 to 3 hours away pick up a receipt and head on to Duffield IMO.

If JY wanted one to think he was in Duffield - he could have drove there Thursday during the day - checked in probably after 2pm (most hotels will not let you check in before 2) and left to come back. There would be sufficient time IMO. If there was an 11 pm call - LE will know it and where it came from. All we have is rumor about that call, he could have well been sitting near the neighborhood waiting for company to leave - there are only 2 ways in and out - knowing what company was there, he would know how they would exit the development IMO. For all we know - the fill up at Han-Dee Hugos could have been a result of coming back to Raleigh - rather than in preparation of leaving. Just wandering around here...

 

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ok.....the article also states that Fussel said JY told him that he left in the "evening".....gosh, seems i'm starting all over fresh with this thing....probably a good thing though...everything has gotten so twisted with all the speculation....we NEED more info!!!!!!!

http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html

again.....

Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral.

 

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Looking at the data we have, on face value, the gas receipts tend to support that JY filled up in Raleigh and headed to Duffield where he re-filled the gas tank. It is not beyond the realm of possibility there were other gas purchases with cash and no receipts involved. What is missing in the search warrant is the location of the hotel. Also, no receipts for meals - the guy does not eat and apparently did not take a client out for lunch. I do not think JY drove all the way to Duffield on 11/2.

I don't think this because the truth is we do not know for sure when he left Raleigh. Example - if the friend(s) saw JY at 8 pm and he left then - he could not have made it to Duffield before the rumored 11 pm call. He would theoretically be within striking distance. The hotel receipt is for 11/2 - is this an 11/2 check in or check out ? My experience with hotels are both dates are present on the receipt. I'll assume it is the check in date - if he left at 8 pm for instance, stopped and bought gas and then accounting for the time to check in - the max drive time is slightly over 2 hours if he did call at 11 pm. The latest he could have checked in would have been 11:59 on 11/2 - or max of 3 hours away - plenty of time to return to a hotel 2 to 3 hours away pick up a receipt and head on to Duffield IMO.

If JY wanted one to think he was in Duffield - he could have drove there Thursday during the day - checked in probably after 2pm (most hotels will not let you check in before 2) and left to come back. There would be sufficient time IMO. If there was an 11 pm call - LE will know it and where it came from. All we have is rumor about that call, he could have well been sitting near the neighborhood waiting for compaqny to leave - there are only 2 ways in and out - knowing what company was there, he would know how they would exit the development IMO. For all we know - the fill up at Han-Dee Hugos could have been a result of coming back to Raleigh - rather than in preparation of leaving. Just wandering around here...

yeeeees....i completely agree with this...i don't think JY drove all the way to Duffield on 11/2 either.....

exactly...we don't know what time he made ANY of these gas purchases....he could have filled up the tank in Raleigh at any time on 11/2....i also assume the check in date is on that receipt....i still think he didn't technically check out....not sure why i think this, but i do....i see him as checking in, but not checking out (in person)......i think he checked in for one night & simply left the key in the room & left...i just don't picture him sitting around ordering movies & the such...of course, like you said, we don't know for sure if this Hampton receipt is even from 11/2; just assuming it is for now....

i think wherever he stayed that night (well, checked in anyway) was 2 hours or less away from the home...(maybe 3 like you say)....he called MY & said he was tired & decided to stop somewhere for some rest......i think he drove back after making the 11 pm phone call, & killed her.....depending on what time he got out of the house, i think he did a WHOLE lot of driving after that, to make sure he was at that "early morning meeting"......

 

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I agree, as you know Scout is very astute, and it is obvious that LP did a great deal of searching to refine this. I would not be surprised if this location turns out to be correct. Duffield is a bit off the beaten track with respect to major highways - the odds for this new venture and a Get it Market in the same area tends to strongly suggest this as a possible location for a meeting and the client he possibly met with.

This is a good distance from Raleigh - 320 miles roughly. It is also within 3 hours maximum from Duffield to Brevard. Closer (no pun intended!) than Raleigh but I'm still not sure it is a matter of convenience to go to Brevard considering that weekend was homecoming for NCSU and there was the "big game" on Saturday. For some reason I go back to the thought I had a long time ago - JY left Raleigh well before the friend(s) arrived, maybe even possibly before MY got home from work...JMO

Thanks for the nice compliment, rc. I do believe you were blazing the Duffield trail along with us. I agree with you on the homecoming aspect. Not a weekend that I would expect Jason's mind to be on visiting Mom.

 

[raisincharlie]

ok.....the article also states that Fussel said JY told him that he left in the "evening".....gosh, seems i'm starting all over fresh with this thing....probably a good thing though...everything has gotten so twisted with all the speculation....we NEED more info!!!!!!!

http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html

again.....

Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral.

What if JY told friends he left to get his head start and he "spoke with Michelle at 11 pm and all was fine". Wouldn't they assume it was via telephone? JY could have been in the house at 11 pm and maybe all was fine at that point...far fetched but possible.

 

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What if JY told friends he left to get his head start and he "spoke with Michelle at 11 pm and all was fine". Wouldn't they assume it was via telephone? JY could have been in the house at 11 pm and maybe all was fine at that point...far fetched but possible.

yeah, far fetched but possible i guess.....i think there was an 11 pm phone call though....he wanted to make a call for part of his alibi, imo....he wanted to be somewhere other than Raleigh when he made that call too, imo.....

LOL, IF there really was an 11 pm call....(i just tend to think there was)

:crazy: dizzy here

 

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Thanks for the nice compliment, rc. I do believe you were blazing the Duffield trail along with us. I agree with you on the homecoming aspect. Not a weekend that I would expect Jason's mind to be on visiting Mom.

yes, you guys are great in digging up theories & such....all those maps make me crazy after awhile....

 

[raisincharlie]

yeeeees....i completely agree with this...i don't think JY drove all the way to Duffield on 11/2 either.....

exactly...we don't know what time he made ANY of these gas purchases....he could have filled up the tank in Raleigh at any time on 11/2....i also assume the check in date is on that receipt....i still think he didn't technically check out....not sure why i think this, but i do....i see him as checking in, but not checking out (in person)......i think he checked in for one night & simply left the key in the room & left...i just don't picture him sitting around ordering movies & the such...of course, like you said, we don't know for sure if this Hampton receipt is even from 11/2; just assuming it is for now....

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I think he may have had to return to the hotel to get the receipt they often slide under the door in the middle of the night. I'm still not totally convinced the business meeting was a scheduled meeting with a specific set time and if it was - it was not an early early meeting IMO - mid to late morning maybe. More so after reading LPs article. JMO

 

[raisincharlie]

Thanks for the nice compliment, rc. I do believe you were blazing the Duffield trail along with us. I agree with you on the homecoming aspect. Not a weekend that I would expect Jason's mind to be on visiting Mom.

Just the facts - its true ! I have a problem with the homecoming issue - friends from out of town would be in town - as you say not much motivation to drive 2.5 hours or so to go visit in Brevard. I never saw any of the defenders indicate there was any kind of special event associated with the visit so it just does not make sense to me, still.

 

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I think he may have had to return to the hotel to get the receipt they often slide under the door in the middle of the night. I'm still not totally convinced the business meeting was a scheduled meeting with a specific set time and if it was - it was not an early early meeting IMO - mid to late morning maybe. More so after reading LPs article. JMO

wow, i've never heard of a hotel sliding a receipt under the door in the middle of the night ....hmmmm, that would mean he'd HAVE to get back to the room to get it.....that's odd, imo.....i'm not a 'traveler' at all, but my husband is...i just asked him about this...he's never had that happen to him....interesting....

welllllll, for NOW i'm going with (emphasized "now", lol) an early morning meeting, simply because it appears that's what JY told Fussel....

 

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Just the facts - its true ! I have a problem with the homecoming issue - friends from out of town would be in town - as you say not much motivation to drive 2.5 hours or so to go visit in Brevard. I never saw any of the defenders indicate there was any kind of special event associated with the visit so it just does not make sense to me, still.

i'm a little confused over this homecoming thing....are you saying that you think the murder was 'spur of the moment' then???....you think the trip to the parents house wasn't planned in advance??...not even planned as recently as 11/1 or 11/2???....

i understand how hard-core some folks are about these type of sports functions & all, but if a person is planning a murder, seems no one could actually prove anything fishy about him not going to this homecoming....am i missing something here???

 

[raisincharlie]

wow, i've never heard of a hotel sliding a receipt under the door in the middle of the night ....hmmmm, that would mean he'd HAVE to get back to the room to get it.....that's odd, imo.....i'm not a 'traveler' at all, but my husband is...i just asked him about this...he's never had that happen to him....interesting....

welllllll, for NOW i'm going with (emphasized "now", lol) an early morning meeting, simply because it appears that's what JY told Fussel....

Express check outs are often handled this way if you let them know you want this service - it precludes one having to go to the desk and checking out to get the receipt. I have not encountered a hotel where the receipt is given to you at check in, the card is taken but the account is open to allow for phone calls, room service etc. Somehow JY had to get that receipt.

 

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also, i'd like to slip this in again.....i still think it's possible JY had a couple or maybe even 3 gas containers filled in the back of the SUV...(reaching, i know, but if he wanted these gas receipts to 'work out', it's possible)

 

[raisincharlie]

i'm a little confused over this homecoming thing....are you saying that you think the murder was 'spur of the moment' then???....you think the trip to the parents house wasn't planned in advance??...not even planned as recently as 11/1 or 11/2???....

i understand how hard-core some folks are about these type of sports functions & all, but if a person is planning a murder, seems no one could actually prove anything fishy about him not going to this homecoming....am i missing something here???

I'm not entirely settled on if the murder was premeditated as in planned over the course of time. I simply cannot get a real feel for that as there is nothing to base it on.

In some ways, especially considering it was homecoming weekend, it seems to me to be not planned over time but perhaps more a spur of the moment confrontation that went very badly wrong. Bring in the trip to the folks - we don't know if that was planned or not - I however do not recall any of the "friends" claiming there was an occasion that might have drawn him to Brevard that was more important than homecoming weekend. Given Jy's penchant for attending games, being a season ticket holder, and dressing Cassidy up as a little cheer leader, tailgating parties, their wedding reception was a catered event at a game as I recall - he was into it big time. JMO

 

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Express check outs are often handled this way if you let them know you want this service - it precludes one having to go to the desk and checking out to get the receipt. I have not encountered a hotel where the receipt is given to you at check in, the card is taken but the account is open to allow for phone calls, room service etc. Somehow JY had to get that receipt.

ok ....lol, my husband is like "why do you want to know all this"???....he said he always gets a receipt upon checking in to a place....he said he doesn't get anything when he leaves, UNLESS he checks in, & doesn't know for sure when he's leaving...THEN he gets a receipt upon leaving....

he said he doesn't always go to the office upon checking out ... he said sometimes he WILL go & tell them he's out of there & that the key is in the room, yada yada yada......but he says he gives them his credit card, checks in, gets his card back, signs whatever he has to sign, gets the key, & that's it when he knows how long he's going to be there....

i'm sure not all hotels/motels are the same...only going by his experience...

 

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I'm not entirely settled on if the murder was premeditated as in planned over the course of time. I simply cannot get a real feel for that as there is nothing to base it on.

In some ways, especially considering it was homecoming weekend, it seems to me to be not planned over time but perhaps more a spur of the moment confrontation that went very badly wrong. Bring in the trip to the folks - we don't know if that was planned or not - I however do not recall any of the "friends" claiming there was an occasion that might have drawn him to Brevard that was more important than homecoming weekend. Given Jy's penchant for attending games, being a season ticket holder, and dressing Cassidy up as a little cheer leader, tailgating parties, their wedding reception was a catered event at a game as I recall - he was into it big time. JMO

yeah, i see what you're saying......& it would be even MORE fishy if he had bought the tickets per game, then decided not to go....something 'hit the fan' just prior to this murder...not sure what, but something did...maybe just days prior to the murder....(MM, some money issues, etc...)

wonder if JY's family would be on the 'up & up' in giving that info out...whether they knew in advance of him coming to visit, or not....

eta...would be interesting to know how far in advance JY's parents knew of his coming there for that visit...

 

[packerdog]

also, i'd like to slip this in again.....i still think it's possible JY had a couple or maybe even 3 gas containers filled in the back of the SUV...(reaching, i know, but if he wanted these gas receipts to 'work out', it's possible)

LOL Close, you sound like a true PI. He very well could have gas containers with him to make up for the used gas.