Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom murdered NC part 9

[raisincharlie]

yeah, i see what you're saying......& it would be even MORE fishy if he had bought the tickets per game, then decided not to go....something 'hit the fan' just prior to this murder...not sure what, but something did...maybe just days prior to the murder....(MM, some money issues, etc...)

wonder if JY's family would be on the 'up & up' in giving that info out...whether they knew in advance of him coming to visit, or not....

This is what I am more inclined to believe-something hit the fan big time and quite honestly I think it was MY - she had enough and was just done with it - JMO and not based on anything other than my thoughts. I do think it is possible however he could have entered the house with the express purpose of killing her and what will convince me one way or the other will actually come down to the weapon used - if it came from the bedroom - it may have been a fight. If it came from some where other than the bedroom - I have no doubt, the intent was to murder her.

What does make me waver around a bit though is the issue of the insurance - the warrants strongly suggest something was not exactly right on that front. But I cannot conclude the issue was related to death. Someone could have been trying to borrow money against them. I am confused by this and not sure what to think.

 

[close_enough]

LOL Close, you sound like a true PI. He very well could have gas containerds with him to make up for the used gas.

LOL...yeah, i wondered about this very early on too, but didn't mention it until recently....it's certainly possible if you're planning a murder, traveling, & wanting to cover your butt

 

[panthera]

RC......we have no idea, apparently, when JY left the house on 11/2......i'm starting to really wonder if the friend (that watched Grey's A with Michelle) actually saw JY leave that night.....you have me really wondering now if he just didn't pick up & leave before MY got home from work....this is nowhere NEAR what i first speculated though.......heck, i guess he could have left for the meeting like 3 or 4 pm on that Thursday....checked in wherever, headed back to the house......maybe he DID call MY at 11 pm, while on his way BACK to the house, but claims he was just checking on her??....seems that LE could track that phone call though & know where he was ..???....i tend to think there WAS an 11 pm phone call...why mention it to the friend at the funeral if there wasn't....i think it was part of the alibi....

still thinking here...

I believe the 11pm phone call also happened, but doubt he wasn't where he was supposed to be ~ certainly he'd know about cell tower tracking; I'll give him that much credit. Either something happened during that call which ignited his rage, or if there was a "hit" on her, he was making sure she was home alone (meaning that her friends had left). I tend to think the first scenario took place due to the violent nature of the murder.

 

[close_enough]

This is what I am more inclined to believe-something hit the fan big time and quite honestly I think it was MY - she had enough and was just done with it - JMO and not based on anything other than my thoughts. I do think it is possible however he could have entered the house with the express purpose of killing her and what will convince me one way or the other will actually come down to the weapon used - if it came from the bedroom - it may have been a fight. If it came from some where other than the bedroom - I have no doubt, the intent was to murder her.

What does make me waver around a bit though is the issue of the insurance - the warrants strongly suggest something was not exactly right on that front. But I cannot conclude the issue was related to death. Someone could have been trying to borrow money against them. I am confused by this and not sure what to think.

yep yep...the insurance :waitasec:

 

[panthera]

LOL...yeah, i wondered about this very early on too, but didn't mention it until recently....it's certainly possible if you're planning a murder, traveling, & wanting to cover your butt

Any large truck stops long his route? Just thinking that if he wanted to slip in and out of a gas station and not be noticed at that hour of the night he might choose one which has a lot of traffic and large rigs there, so he'd remain unnoticed. And pay cash.

 

[close_enough]

I believe the 11pm phone call also happened, but doubt he wasn't where he was supposed to be ~ certainly he'd know about cell tower tracking; I'll give him that much credit. Either something happened during that call which ignited his rage, or if there was a "hit" on her, he was making sure she was home alone (meaning that her friends had left). I tend to think the first scenario took place due to the violent nature of the murder.

right panthera, i don't think JY was near where the business meeting was suppose to take place, rather he was just over the VA line at a hotel/motel when he made the 11 pm call.....i tend to think there wasn't a "hit" on her, BUT it's possible for sure.....i just think he made that call somewhere in VA, near the state line, claiming he went ahead & stopped for some reason...tired, feeling sick, whatever...i think he DID check into the place, & unless someone actually saw him drive away, shortly after checking in, there's nothing to prove he ever left there afterwards....being that late, it could be most folks at the hotel/motel were asleep in there rooms, or simply didn't notice JY or his vehicle....i have no doubt there were cameras in the office, but it wouldn't shock me if there weren't any in the parking lot....

there could have been a fuss over the phone...we'll probably never know for sure though, either way.....i tend to think this was planned before he ever left the house on 11/2 though, & the call was to verify she was alone (that the friend had left for sure) & for part of his alibi...being 'out of town' when he made the call......i don't think anyone saw/noticed him on the road back to the house, but i have this feeling that someone did see his vehicle back in that neighborhood, when it shouldn't have been....i know i'm probably putting too much faith into Jane02's comment on ctv, but she was right as far as there being rumor of a g/f in Florida, soooooooo......i think that's part of what's the hold up on this investigation....LE needs another eye-witness that noticed JY leaving a hotel that night, or on the road heading toward Raleigh, late that night....one witness (the delivery truck?) wouldn't do it, but that person along with someone seeing him leaving, after checking into a room, might be of more help....

i'll be completely shocked if a hitman is involved, but that could also be what's got LE stumped....(if they're really stumped, of course...i'm just speculating that they are)

 

[close_enough]

Any large truck stops long his route? Just thinking that if he wanted to slip in and out of a gas station and not be noticed at that hour of the night he might choose one which has a lot of traffic and large rigs there, so he'd remain unnoticed. And pay cash.

good point...i have no idea if there's any large truck stops, but i have to assume there probably is...i know they're everywhere along the highways/interstates here in TN....the only thing with that would be that most truck stops would have cameras inside (maybe outside for that matter) & he'd be on tape paying with cash......

i have to assume that once he headed back to the house, he didn't stop for anything...

 

[5bigfish5]

I'm probably going to be in the minority here, but here goes.


Until we know for sure whether or not JY was at the house when MY's friend showed up for "Grey's Anatomy", I think we are spinning our wheels.

I will preface my next comment with the FACT that I have the utmost respect for the "Duffield" people in this camp and all their efforts to put JY there.

But I live here, I drive the roads, I know that "Mapquest" is so often wrong on their time estimates, that it defies logic that they even post them. The Young house is "right off" of Hwy 40, to leave the scene any other way, makes zero sense. Plus, #40 gives JY the straightest, fastest shot to VA.

The SUV-SW plainly states "Hampton Hotel". Since the "Hampton Inn" is a very popular hotel in this area, I am surprised that the reporting Officer did not indicate "Inn", IF in fact it was the Hampton Inn.

I just don't see JY going thru so much trouble to make extra work for himself, he had to have been tired and running on "Red Bull". I firmly believe he was closer to home when he checked into A Hampton Hotel that horrible night.

Just my 2¢.

Respect to all!

ETA, he didn't have to use #40 the whole way of course, but..it would have gotten him out of the area ASAP.

 

[5bigfish5]

One other thing, IF he had taked #40 to 15-501, he would have hit VA in the shortest amout of time, even IF he paused for a few minutes over a bridge on Kerr Lake.

 

[panthera]

good point...i have no idea if there's any large truck stops, but i have to assume there probably is...i know they're everywhere along the highways/interstates here in TN....the only thing with that would be that most truck stops would have cameras inside (maybe outside for that matter) & he'd be on tape paying with cash......

i have to assume that once he headed back to the house, he didn't stop for anything...

Yes the large truck stops would have video surveillance, at least of the cashier's window. But he could've blended in more easily there in the middle of the night than a smaller location out of the way. I would think that if he was carrying extra containers of gasoline in the back of the Explorer that LE would've picked up on the odor when they confiscated the vehicle the next day.

 

[jilly]

wow, i've never heard of a hotel sliding a receipt under the door in the middle of the night ....hmmmm, that would mean he'd HAVE to get back to the room to get it.....that's odd, imo.....i'm not a 'traveler' at all, but my husband is...i just asked him about this...he's never had that happen to him....interesting....

welllllll, for NOW i'm going with (emphasized "now", lol) an early morning meeting, simply because it appears that's what JY told Fussel....

They do at the Mariott Courtyard Close - I've stayed there so many times! I would compare the Courtyard to a Hampton Inn as well.

ETA - You check in - hand them your credit card and during the early morning hours of check out they slide the receipt under the door with any additional charges - movies, room service etc. I never check out at the desk - just leave the key in the room or sometimes hand them to the front desk. Don't get any paperwork when checking in.

 

[jilly]

i'm sure not all hotels/motels are the same...only going by his experience...

No they're not.

 

[close_enough]

I'm probably going to be in the minority here, but here goes.


Until we know for sure whether or not JY was at the house when MY's friend showed up for "Grey's Anatomy", I think we are spinning our wheels.

I will preface my next comment with the FACT that I have the utmost respect for the "Duffield" people in this camp and all their efforts to put JY there.

But I live here, I drive the roads, I know that "Mapquest" is so often wrong on their time estimates, that it defies logic that they even post them. The Young house is "right off" of Hwy 40, to leave the scene any other way, makes zero sense. Plus, #40 gives JY the straightest, fastest shot to VA.

The SUV-SW plainly states "Hampton Hotel". Since the "Hampton Inn" is a very popular hotel in this area, I am surprised that the reporting Officer did not indicate "Inn", IF in fact it was the Hampton Inn.

I just don't see JY going thru so much trouble to make extra work for himself, he had to have been tired and running on "Red Bull". I firmly believe he was closer to home when he checked into A Hampton Hotel that horrible night.

Just my 2¢.

Respect to all!

ETA, he didn't have to use #40 the whole way of course, but..it would have gotten him out of the area ASAP.

Until we know for sure whether or not JY was at the house when MY's friend showed up for "Grey's Anatomy", I think we are spinning our wheels.


...you're exactly right Bigfish...& good eye on the "Hampton Hotel"....

 

[close_enough]

Yes the large truck stops would have video surveillance, at least of the cashier's window. But he could've blended in more easily there in the middle of the night than a smaller location out of the way. I would think that if he was carrying extra containers of gasoline in the back of the Explorer that LE would've picked up on the odor when they confiscated the vehicle the next day.

yeah, i thought of that also...one would think there'd be a smell of gas in the car, even a faint one.....

 

[close_enough]

They do at the Mariott Courtyard Close - I've stayed there so many times! I would compare the Courtyard to a Hampton Inn as well.

ETA - You check in - hand them your credit card and during the early morning hours of check out they slide the receipt under the door with any additional charges - movies, room service etc. I never check out at the desk - just leave the key in the room or sometimes hand them to the front desk. Don't get any paperwork when checking in.

afternoon jilly

yes, it's very obvious to me now that hotels/motels are different on their checking in/checking out policy...

 

[panthera]

Until we know for sure whether or not JY was at the house when MY's friend showed up for "Grey's Anatomy", I think we are spinning our wheels.


...you're exactly right Bigfish...& good eye on the "Hampton Hotel"....

You're right, we don't know exactly when he left home ~ which of course would make a big difference how far away he could've been when he called at 11pm or during the time range for the TOD. I haven't had time to search, but is there a "Hampton Hotel" anywhere? (Sorry if it's already been posted and I overlooked it!)

 

[scandi]

All interesting comments this morning. It was like the Close & Raisin Show as the rest of us were all still counting sheep~!

After reading everything, I think Michelle and Jason's problems started mounting 3 mos before she died, and culminated in the last few weeks of great dissention between them. They probably screamed at each other a lot in the last few days, and I think she told him to pack his bags and get out of their house she didn't love him anymore. And that she had started getting things in order to file for a divorce.

That last afternoon in the house I think JY packed his most needy things into 2 or 3 suitcases, like a wounded pup, and left before M's friend arrived. I think at that point she was very verbal, angry and devestated at recent news she had learned about his unfaithfulness.

He took off in a blur and headed N to Va, thinking all of the time as he drove for a couple of hours. He might have stopped at a Hampton he spotted, since he was familiar with these hotels, and went into the lounge to have a few drinks. He dicided to check in, as he had a lot of time before he had to be at his meeting, and after a several drinks, decided to call Michelle. He had a good thing, and now that he had been gone for several hours, maybe she had changed her mind.

I don't think the call went well at all, and something she said incensed him to the point he said to himself, that is it, and left heading back home. He might have gone to his room to decide how to go about this confrontation, as he had now decided to kill her, and think he arrived home around 2-3 and it didn't take long, and he was out of there ASAP. He might have driven by the lake on his way out of town to dispose of the evidenciary items, and headed towards his meeting.

Why does everyone think he used a hotel phone to call her

eta: Also, I'm wondering too about the LE timeline of midnight to 6am, and if anyone saw anything during that time frame. If you take the time of 6am, and he left at that time, he would never have made it to an early meeting up in VA. I think if he killed her, he said **** the meeting, ditched the evidence, went to his hotel to rest for awhile and shower, and headed for
Brevard.

 

[panthera]

yeah, i thought of that also...one would think there'd be a smell of gas in the car, even a faint one.....

Yes, even carrying one can would emit the odor of gasoline in a closed vehicle.

 

[5bigfish5]

Yes the large truck stops would have video surveillance, at least of the cashier's window. But he could've blended in more easily there in the middle of the night than a smaller location out of the way. I would think that if he was carrying extra containers of gasoline in the back of the Explorer that LE would've picked up on the odor when they confiscated the vehicle the next day.

I agree Panthera,

WAY too many cameras at truck stops in this "neck of the woods". A small convenience store works perfect! Too many unsupervised young people out there that time of night to even care IF someone uses the Store's dumpster. (which is illegal in N.C., BTW).

 

[jilly]

afternoon jilly

yes, it's very obvious to me now that hotels/motels are different on their checking in/checking out policy...

I just phoned the Hampton Inn near me. lol They have the same procedure as the Marriott Courtyard - When you check in (not before 3 pm) they want your credit card and ID. Checking out they put the receipt under the door in the middle of the nite.

LOL - I was wondering how to approach this call & I said I was thinking of booking a trip for my mother and just wanted to make sure she knew what to do.Didn't think I should tell her I'm trying to figure out a murder! lol.She said just tell your mother we'd appreciate it if she could just let us know at he front desk when she's leaving so we can go in and clean the room.lol