Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom murdered NC part 9

[raisincharlie]

I read this at CTV, and it made sense to me, though I couldn't tell if it was from a link or from the poster: " . .The victim was found inside the family residence. The vehicle was not used to transport the body in the commission of a crime. The vehicle was returned..

I also read over there that the SW has 21 pages. Has anyone here seen this. I wonder if that's a compilation of all the SWs?

Hey Scandi,

Hope you are having a good day.

The 21 pages relating to search warrants - the N & O link for the first 6 warrants is 21 pages. I can tell you the warrant for the SUV has more pages than the five posted at the N & O site - the inventory list is not terminated by the words "Nothing follows" - this is standard procedure so that items cannot be added to the inventory list after the fact. The same is true for the Biirchleaf warrant - there are additional unpublished pages. This may be due to the media not publishing those pages or it could be the pages have been attached to additional affidavits which are possibly sealed.

As for the statement you quoted - no idea where that comes from - the act of placing items related to a crime inside the vehicle makes the vehicle a part of the crime - not sure what transport of a body has to do with anything relating to this case. As we know from past cases, this statement is not true as Peterson (S) definitely used his truck to transport a body. That vehicle was returned at the request of a motion filed by Geragos. In this case - the reports identify JYs lawyer as filing a request as well. Seems reasonable to release the vehicle as any useable forensics would have been collected at this time. I think people are trying to decide if this means there was something or nothing of evidentiary value found in the vehicle. Speculation IMO

 

[strach304]

I don't know Scandi. Wouldn't he have also talked to LE when they took the vehicle? Harrison says he talked to LE by phone right? Somebody else drove to Meredith's with the SUV to pick up Cassidy maybe? Does the warrant specify who they took it from? Took the papers showing registration.

Also it was a wallet with keys attached in the SUV warrant and not purses like the step father said. Could be two of those for the mother and sister. How about cell phones? Didn't the step father say cell phones too? Doesn't make sense that Jason would've left his lap top and cell phones in the SUV but unpacked luggage if someone else went to get Cassidy from Meredith.

 

[close_enough]

That is odd Strach, as there were meds and a brown purse with attached keys listed, but no luggage. And I thought for sure the step father was angry they had taken the luggage. Remember the BinL and parents stayed at a residence type hotel {has a kitchette} when they came to Raleigh. I'm sure they made reservations before they got there. Why didn't they remnove their things from the car when they checked in? Unless it was they were expecting JY to come right back to join them. That could be why. Go get Cassidy and come right back. Except the warrant was executed at 3:15am on the 4th and the car was confiscated at 4am on the 4th.

Am I missing something? Jason gets to Bravard at 3pm on the 3rd. They get ready and head back to Raleigh - a 5 hour drive. So you would think they would get into Raleigh around 9pm. Secure their motel, and at some time Jason heads over to Merediths to get Cassidy. Why would he wait that long and go in the wee hours of the morning? So he wouldn't be spotted?

you're not missing anything Scandi...sure wish we knew for sure what time JY arrived in Brevard....wish we knew what time the business meeting was, & if Michelle's friend saw JY leaving the evening of 11/2 while they were getting ready to watch Grey's Anatomy....so much we just don't know...it's so frustrating....there's so many pieces of this puzzle still 'out there'.....

eta...heck, about ALL of this puzzle is 'out there', ugh....

 

[Samiya]

What if JY told friends he left to get his head start and he "spoke with Michelle at 11 pm and all was fine". Wouldn't they assume it was via telephone? JY could have been in the house at 11 pm and maybe all was fine at that point...far fetched but possible.

Now that I've had some sleep, lol.....

The '11pm call'. News reports keep going back to the last time Michelle was known to have been alive......around 10:30pm 11/2. That is reported as being 'fact'.

If the phone call was found to have been true, I would think that 'the last time' would've changed from 'around 10:30pm' to 'Youngs husband last spoke to his wife at 11pm on the 11/2' as that would have then become 'fact' partaining to the last time anyone knew that Chelle was alive, therefore extending the previous time by half an hour.

Sami

 

[raisincharlie]

I don't know Scandi. Wouldn't he have also talked to LE when they took the vehicle? Harrison says he talked to LE by phone right? Somebody else drove to Meredith's with the SUV to pick up Cassidy maybe? Does the warrant specify who they took it from? Took the papers showing registration.

Also it was a wallet with keys attached in the SUV warrant and not purses like the step father said. Could be two of those for the mother and sister. How about cell phones? Didn't the step father say cell phones too? Doesn't make sense that Jason would've left his lap top and cell phones in the SUV but unpacked luggage if someone else went to get Cassidy from Meredith.

Strach,

The warrant does not indicate who they took the vehicle from, only that it was being detained at MF's residence. The registration papers are referenced, verifying JY as the owner and the VIN number of the vehicle.

 

[close_enough]

Now that I've had some sleep, lol.....

The '11pm call'. News reports keep going back to the last time Michelle was known to have been alive......around 10:30pm 11/2. That is reported as being 'fact'.

If the phone call was found to have been true, I would think that 'the last time' would've changed from 'around 10:30pm' to 'Youngs husband last spoke to his wife at 11pm on the 11/2' as that would have then become 'fact' partaining to the last time anyone knew that Chelle was alive, therefore extending the previous time by half an hour.

Sami

got me thinking here, Sami......

 

[close_enough]

Strach,

The warrant does not indicate who they took the vehicle from, only that it was being detained at MF's residence. The registration papers are referenced, verifying JY as the owner and the VIN number of the vehicle.

very good point there RC!....we don't even know for sure if it was JY that actually drove over to pick up Cassidy at MF's house....

 

[close_enough]

help me out here, please RC.....

the word "detained"...how do you take this?...let's say someone drove JY's SUV over to MF's house...which might have been 9 or 10, or 11 pm, right??...LE was there & noticed these 'spots' on/in the vehicle....do you think this means that at THAT point, LE "detained" the vehicle, then went on about getting the SW, & came back in the wee hours of the morning to seize it????

 

[raisincharlie]

very good point there RC!....we don't even know for sure if it was JY that actually drove over to pick up Cassidy at MF's house....

I checked WRAL link, the N & O link as well as Carolina 14 - WRAL had redacted the first set of warrants to remove names. This warrant - there are no obvious redactions - no people mentioned by name except JY as the owner and the police officers involved.

 

[otto]

My questions as of now is; where is the luggage? Why are we still suspecting Jason physically did this? It's starting to look impossible to me. Although much of his alibi looked completely contrived if everything checks out he couldn't physically have done it.

I've been skeptical about the luggage rumour from the beginning, but it does present as a nice premise from which to build a theory about a marriage on the rocks. If there were 2-3 large pieces of luggage, then they were left in Brevard and Jason had no intention of returning home. That's a big piece of circumstantial evidence and it would surprise me if Jason would plan everything and then make that mistake. Believing the luggage story means believing that Jason left the house around 8:30. The rumoured phone call must be a story from Jason because the phone records aren't public. If he checked into a hotel and made the call home at 11, then he was 2 hours from home. If he was 3 hours from home, then he had to leave before 8 to check in and make the 11 o'clock call.

I'm wondering about Meredith's house belonging to her mom. I think her website said that she had just bought her own house. I suppose that maybe she didn't qualify for the loans and her mom didn't want to guarantee the loan without being on title ... but it looks like Meredith simply doesn't own the house. This also means that Meredith is not tied to Raleigh like I originally thought, meaning she can stay closer to Brevard and maintain contact with Cassidy.

 

[raisincharlie]

help me out here, please RC.....

the word "detained"...how do you take this?...let's say someone drove JY's SUV over to MF's house...which might have been 9 or 10, or 11 pm, right??...LE was there & noticed these 'spots' on/in the vehicle....do you think this means that at THAT point, LE "detained" the vehicle, then went on about getting the SW, & came back in the wee hours of the morning to seize it????

I take that as LE had made up their minds to take the vehicle just as they took MYs and MF's - it would be standard procedure actually - even if JY said he was out of town. Detained basically says to me, the occupants were asked to leave the vehicle and were not allowed access upon departure from the vehicle. The vehicle would have been secured against contamination from that point forward.

Based on the timing of the events described in the warrant - I would be very surprised if the vehicle was at the location much before observation of it began. IMO the vehicle may have arrived at 1115 at the earliest based on the fact it took 50 minutes from the time the warrant was signed until it was executed. If there was no detective at the scene to do the inspection - it may have taken that much time to notify one and for them to get there if that makes sense. JMO

 

[jilly]

Hi Jilly,

I just don't know. All I know, is that it seemed strange to me.

With what little I could find out, there are lots of "Hampton Hotels" in VA, not even affiliated with Hampton Inn or Suites, as it is known here.


Happy Sleuthing, this one is a bit¢h!

That's interesting and I'll definitely take your word for it. Thank you for that info. Funny how things here cannot be straight forward - I think these cops should have to put down the address of the hotels for us I just googled Hampton Hotel and I see there is a City in Va called Hampton and it gets even more confusing :crazy:

 

[philamena]

At one time Hampton Inns were owned and operated by Holiday Inn. But that may have changed. :doh: And yes there is a Hampton, VA and yes there are Hampton Inn's in Hampton VA that are NOT affiliated with the city.
It is a little confusing.

 

[close_enough]

I take that as LE had made up their minds to take the vehicle just as they took MYs and MF's - it would be standard procedure actually - even if JY said he was out of town. Detained basically says to me, the occupants were asked to leave the vehicle and were not allowed access upon departure from the vehicle. The vehicle would have been secured against contamination from that point forward.

Based on the timing of the events described in the warrant - I would be very surprised if the vehicle was at the location much before observation of it began. IMO the vehicle may have arrived at 1115 at the earliest based on the fact it took 50 minutes from the time the warrant was signed until it was executed. If there was no detective at the scene to do the inspection - it may have taken that much time to notify one and for them to get there if that makes sense. JMO

where are you getting the 50 minutes from???...i'm lost, sorry...

 

[strach304]

Some more twisted thoughts from me; we don't know the time on the gas receipts or location of the hotel so:

1. 11/2 gas in raleigh could be coming or going.
2. 11/3 gas in Stone Gap, Va. morning, aft. or eve.?
3. 11/2 hotel receipt- night before?

I thought of a way to manipulate the date on the hotel receipt for it to appear that he checked in on 11/2 when actually it was the am hours of 11/2 regardless of the location. Night audit starts at anytime after 12:00 am but normally would be started at 2 to 3 am. If a guest checks in at that time or after but before 11 am it's dated for the next day. Need to account for his time and place the day before same with the gas receipts.

The 11/3 gas receipt near Duffield could be in the am after driving all night? Obviously these are the receipts that we know about because they were made to be accesible?

 

[close_enough]

At one time Hampton Inns were owned and operated by Holiday Inn. But that may have changed. :doh: And yes there is a Hampton, VA and yes there are Hampton Inn's in Hampton VA that are NOT affiliated with the city.
It is a little confusing.

LOL....yeah, the Hampton Inn/Hotel/Motel is confusing for sure....i found Hampton VA also, but was told that's already been 'discussed' here...after looking at the SW again, it DOES appear that some might think the word HOTEL is MOTEL (if the person that wrote it, was in a hurry???).....by first look at it, it reads HOTEL, but who the hell knows for sure???

i'm done with the Hampton 'thang' for now, lol

 

[scandi]

I read on a link somewhere today, that the only timeLE has spoken to JY is at 3pm on the afternoon after Meredith had discovered Michelle's body. And that was a 15 min call. That means when they retreived the car from Meredith's resi they did not talk to JY.

We don't know if they talked to anyone there at the home. Probably sat on pins and needles waiting the the warrant to be issued from 3:15 till 4am when they served it in the act of removing the car from the scene. That means whoever was at the house woke up to a big surprise - no car.

So we don't know for sure if anyone was at MF's house except her and Cassidy. I think since they had 2 cars they decided it best not to leave JY's car at the hotel, and figured if it was parked in her driveway that would be safe. They would probably plan on picking up Cassidy in the morning. Just the fact it was not 'hiden' tells me JY and family had no idea the cops would be so quick in grabbing it.

I also think there must be an additional couple of pages on that SUV SW. When I pull it up I only have 3 pages from that WRAL link, and only one of those pages has items listed.

Little by little we are learning more and more, but to sleuth effectively we need much more to draw from.

 

[raisincharlie]

where are you getting the 50 minutes from???...i'm lost, sorry...

From the warrant - the judge signed it at 0310 - the execution time was 0400 - 50 minutes for the Inspector (detective) to get from the judge's location back to the vehicle location to oversee the impoundment of the vehicle. Using it in reverse and the information that Major Johnson found the drops of whatever on 11/04. The vehicle could have arrived later than 1115 but most likely not before 1115 on 11/3

 

[close_enough]

Some more twisted thoughts from me; we don't know the time on the gas receipts or location of the hotel so:

1. 11/2 gas in raleigh could be coming or going.
2. 11/3 gas in Stone Gap, Va. morning, aft. or eve.?
3. 11/2 hotel receipt- night before?

I thought of a way to manipulate the date on the hotel receipt for it to appear that he checked in on 11/2 when actually it was the am hours of 11/2 regardless of the location. Night audit starts at anytime after 12:00 am but normally would be started at 2 to 3 am. If a guest checks in at that time or after but before 11 am it's dated for the next day. Need to account for his time and place the day before same with the gas receipts.

The 11/3 gas receipt near Duffield could be in the am after driving all night? Obviously these are the receipts that we know about because they were made to be accesible?

ok...i looked up Big Stone Gap, VA earlier....i've looked up several routes in the past few hours, but please straighten me out here, if you don't mind....isn't Big Stone Gap, VA a ways away from Duffield???....i mean isn't it on up, & then he'd have to drive back down to Duffield?.....if you're tired of going over this (i understand yall have hashed this out already) that's cool....

 

[close_enough]

From the warrant - the judge signed it at 0310 - the execution time was 0400 - 50 minutes for the Inspector (detective) to get from the judge's location back to the vehicle location to oversee the impoundment of the vehicle. Using it in reverse and the information that Major Johnson found the drops of whatever on 11/04. The vehicle could have arrived later than 1115 but most likely not before 1115 on 11/3

ok, slap me....i knew that, but for some reason i was thinking the diff was like 15-20 minutes...must be all these cold meds, sorry...